Representative Democracy [Concluded]

[Winston Hughes]

Here have this Vote:Winston He seems alright...

I'm not even going to bother voting to lynch someone, because that seems pointless. The shear volume of posting would make that irresponsible of me anyways. i.e. I can't keep up.

Rules say you have to cast a lynch vote, iirc.

[Winston Hughes]

From town to scum:

Cass_
Renata
Dp101

atheotes
dicetosser1
Jabbz
Visor

Monstrbro
Zack
Winston

BSmith
CSargo
Riedquat

Monty
GH
El Barto
Schema
Cuthillius

Need to ISO the last group to make up my mind.

Why are Monty and Schema in the bottom group?

Why are BSmith, Csargo and Riedquat not in the bottom group?

Why is Jabbz so high?

[dicetosser1]

He has ample time in which to convince us. I am off to discuss Star Wars -some people are posting that they did not like the film and I am not sure how to re-educate them.

link me so we can correct the knuckleheads.

x-post: It's policy across all games.

dont quite get what ure meaning here

I've just thrown down the gauntlet, asking for an explanation of such… assertions.

Look, I'll unvote and try to play a bit more seriously tomorrow when I've done the final RPS update and hopefully it's colder (right now it's 30º and it's past midnight). Hopefully there won't be 700 posts to wade through.

unvote

dicetosser1: it's apparent that you've never played with me. Ask around. My signature is an actual quote from Renata.

if ure Tak then apparently I have ages ago. But heres the thing. Ive seen someone claim a scum role with their first post. It took me 4 days to get that SOB lynched but I was right. Since then my policy is simple. You claim scum i vote you. If you can convince me ure town fine but until you do that im not going to just take you at ure word. Thats just asking to let myself get sucked in.

[Renata]

how about someone summarizes why jabbz is town

I think I was being stupid in many of the reasons I thought he wasn't. Also, there's choxorn choosing him as the target for a bit of 'pro-town'' scolding. It's not much, but it's there.

I agree he hasn't particularly done much, and if it weren't for the choxorn thing he'd be lower on my list.

[Al Sipsclar]

Why are Monty and Schema in the bottom group?

Why are BSmith, Csargo and Riedquat not in the bottom group?

Why is Jabbz so high?

Mind you, these are mostly gut feelings and tonal reads, not hard cases. I'm very pliable.
The bottom group is scum leans. BSmith, Csargo, and Riedquat are null.
Monty is leaning scum for his Visor tunnel and seemingly obstructionist stance on D1.
Schema is just a feeling I got from the cursory read, so I need to iso her.
Jabbz - from choxorn interaction.

[Al Sipsclar]

x-post with Renata talking about the same thing wrt Jabbz and choxorn.

[BSmith]

Not gonna lie. This game is taxing my ability to keep up. Sad thing is that I am probably spending more RL time on this game than one I am able to participate in more. I don’t like posting without being caught up on the thread, and just getting caught up is taking more time than I have in a day.

Anyway, no more excuses.

I’m fine with either Visor or vote: Winston for our rep. Renata, DP and Cass all obvious town at this point (or at least clear enough to focus elsewhere). Town lean on Visor and Winston, mainly based on tone and what I would expect from them. Note that they are good at looking town, so not ready to go all in on that assessment. Csargo and Al I can’t really get on too much as I am in the exact same boat wrt to keeping up. Reid has I think one post, so basically null, but I would have expected at least some more “I can’t keep up” types of posts if that was indeed the case.

I agree that the vote: Cuth transition on the Sooh case is odd.

El Barto and Zack aren’t really being helpful at this point, Barto mainly being his normal self, and Zack started helpful but Zack’s mood seems to have gotten in his way. Monty is making some good cases. Many other new names here that I just don’t have a lot of history on.

[Zack]

I think I was being stupid in many of the reasons I thought he wasn't. Also, there's choxorn choosing him as the target for a bit of 'pro-town'' scolding. It's not much, but it's there.

I agree he hasn't particularly done much, and if it weren't for the choxorn thing he'd be lower on my list.

idk wolves have dumb interactions like that all the time, there's no read given and it's meaningless

[Zack]

Not gonna lie. This game is taxing my ability to keep up. Sad thing is that I am probably spending more RL time on this game than one I am able to participate in more. I don’t like posting without being caught up on the thread, and just getting caught up is taking more time than I have in a day.

Anyway, no more excuses.

I’m fine with either Visor or vote: Winston for our rep. Renata, DP and Cass all obvious town at this point (or at least clear enough to focus elsewhere). Town lean on Visor and Winston, mainly based on tone and what I would expect from them. Note that they are good at looking town, so not ready to go all in on that assessment. Csargo and Al I can’t really get on too much as I am in the exact same boat wrt to keeping up. Reid has I think one post, so basically null, but I would have expected at least some more “I can’t keep up” types of posts if that was indeed the case.

I agree that the vote: Cuth transition on the Sooh case is odd.

El Barto and Zack aren’t really being helpful at this point, Barto mainly being his normal self, and Zack started helpful but Zack’s mood seems to have gotten in his way. Monty is making some good cases. Many other new names here that I just don’t have a lot of history on.

what good cases is monty making?

[Zack]

and if they're so good why aren't you following them

[BSmith]

I actually understand his point is what I was trying to get at. Usually that is not so easy. I can see his logic.

That said the case on Cuth resonates with me more.

[Zack]

I don't understand his point on visor at all

what about it resonates with you

[Cuthillius]

Vote: Cuthillius cause the case on him seems solid. Sorry for not saying much, this terrible cold I have is wiping me out.

did you read the damn case

it is literally terrible

[Al Sipsclar]

Schema looks okay on re-read. I'm moving her to my Zack/Monstr/WH group.

Backed off from Renata
Monstr interaction seems good
Visor interaction is ok, love the fluorine reference.
Noted Monty's Visor engagement
Cleared Sooh, Renata, Monstr
Scum leans on Visor for her reaction testing and Cuth push
Mentioned choxorn in passing.
Null on atheotes
votes GH

[Zack]

what's terrible about it

eagerly await your one line response that doesn't really explain anything and just repeats that it's terrible because it is

[Renata]

Say what's wrong with it.

[Cuthillius]

i'm not going to spend much time talking about it, or at least i'm going to try not to, but

1)visor actually cites "cuth is only a wolf when he votes wolves" earlier today

like what the actual heck is that

visor knows that is both thin, a joke, and also not worth bringing it up

why would he do that

you tell me

in my mind it's a big red flag that something's weird

2)his case is that, uh, my reads progressed

guys

changing reads=/=scummy

i don't understand how you can look at that and visor's argument and be all ofc that's a scumtell that makes the most logical sense

[Visor]

i'm not going to spend much time talking about it, or at least i'm going to try not to, but

1)visor actually cites "cuth is only a wolf when he votes wolves" earlier today

like what the actual heck is that

visor knows that is both thin, a joke, and also not worth bringing it up

why would he do that

you tell me

in my mind it's a big red flag that something's weird

2)his case is that, uh, my reads progressed

guys

changing reads=/=scummy

i don't understand how you can look at that and visor's argument and be all ofc that's a scumtell that makes the most logical sense

See, this is the trap that people fall into all the time. I'm not suspecting you for the fact your reads change. I am suspecting you because of HOW they changed.

[Cuthillius]

cuth
cass
dp101
i feel like i'm missing someone here, maybe not?
renata

--
all towny from tone today v
monstrman
schema
dicetosser
winston
monty

to a lesser extent

al
bsmith

Jabbz
bsmith
Visor
Csargo
Riedquat
El Barto
atheotes
Zack
generalhankerchief

categories apart from top not in order

[Cuthillius]

See, this is the trap that people fall into all the time. I'm not suspecting you for the fact your reads change. I am suspecting you because of HOW they changed.

yes, and i'm saying that's absolute bulls**t

because it is something that happens with almost every player in almost every game

people go from thinking this

to thinking that

the post of schema's i liked that i found very towny was after the ones i disliked, unless my brain has recently exploded

i elaborated on why i thought it was towny

it's not like i went oh my gosh i have been struck with the great idea to change my unreasoned read for no reasons

your point is invalid

[Zack]

that is actually exactly what you did with sooh

[Visor]

yes, and i'm saying that's absolute bulls**t

because it is something that happens with almost every player in almost every game

people go from thinking this

to thinking that

the post of schema's i liked that i found very towny was after the ones i disliked, unless my brain has recently exploded

i elaborated on why i thought it was towny

it's not like i went oh my gosh i have been struck with the great idea to change my unreasoned read for no reasons

your point is invalid

No, that's incorrect. You disliked her opening posts, and then said later that you found her line villagery.

[Visor]

that is actually exactly what you did with sooh

Also this.

[Cuthillius]

Still seven pages from caught up. My own fault, whatever, I'll get there. Also I'm incredibly rusty and haven't played in months, so bear with me as I get up to speed on all the players.

Don't feel too comfortable wrt Mont, Renata, Winston. I'm considering all their posts and any arguments made toward them and a lynch that direction. Feel pretty good about Cass and dice.

First, Cass is just solvey, engaging everyone, asking hard questions. I'm happy with her game play and her follow-through, she seems committed.

I believe I've played with dice before on PerC and idk, I'm getting town vibes from over there this game. Tonally on point, if nothing else.

Okay, few more pages to go. BBL.

this is the ONE post from schema i disliked

you quoted two posts talking about this one

post #491

[Monstrdude]

No, that's incorrect. You disliked her opening posts, and then said later that you found her line villagery.

Unless i am mistaken you're arguing the same thing here.

Both of you are saying "first I found schemas posts wolfy, then towny"

It is in fact not incorrect

[Visor]

you get -points right away for having three scum and fishing for lynches while doing one hardish town read and one soft one

negative points for schema

meh

ime town tend to have more scum than town reads off the bat

particularly though it does feel like very much fishing for a lynch on any of three, 0-1 of which would be scum if teamed

negative points for schema

your opening posts on schema.

i like

1)her thing on renata-she clearly elaborates why renata is where she is
2)mildly goes against thread consensus
3)actively gamesolving in a towny fashion

And then this. Which is about the same posts.

[Cuthillius]

Alright, skimming-caught-up, but not very. Feel like I'm reading this game through a thick cloud.

Sooh, from where I read last night, has shown up and felt tonally town to me. Townie reaction to the votes received, not very redirective, which I'm happy about.

I don't think I ever vote Renata today. I don't know anyone's play style, but her consistency in tone and responsiveness to all players is a positive for me. More than anything. I need to do a full ISO on her because of the sheer amount of content. I go from bad to okay, not quite ready to go here.

Monstr's looked good to me since our bit of interaction last night, and pushes feel pretty genuine.

I'm really not feeling good about Visor and his "reaction" push on me last night, and might agree with Zack that his push back on Cuth felt a little forced. I'm not ready to make a read there, but it's a slot I'm watching.

But I also don't know Zack's play at all. Or anyone's.

ISOing Cuth as well.

I noticed Choxorn's three posts. Anyone have thoughts on about how much content I might expect from him?

I might be ready to make a read on Visor. Take that back. Scum leans.

i think schema's about 89% town here

Why?

i like

1)her thing on renata-she clearly elaborates why renata is where she is
2)mildly goes against thread consensus
3)actively gamesolving in a towny fashion

the post i liked was #990something

500 posts later

[Visor]

Ah I see.

Well my response to that is you're still bad and you're still a wolf and you're still getting lynched good day nice talking with you.

[Cuthillius]

Alright, skimming-caught-up, but not very. Feel like I'm reading this game through a thick cloud.

Sooh, from where I read last night, has shown up and felt tonally town to me. Townie reaction to the votes received, not very redirective, which I'm happy about.

I don't think I ever vote Renata today. I don't know anyone's play style, but her consistency in tone and responsiveness to all players is a positive for me. More than anything. I need to do a full ISO on her because of the sheer amount of content. I go from bad to okay, not quite ready to go here.

Monstr's looked good to me since our bit of interaction last night, and pushes feel pretty genuine.

I'm really not feeling good about Visor and his "reaction" push on me last night, and might agree with Zack that his push back on Cuth felt a little forced. I'm not ready to make a read there, but it's a slot I'm watching.

But I also don't know Zack's play at all. Or anyone's.

ISOing Cuth as well.

I noticed Choxorn's three posts. Anyone have thoughts on about how much content I might expect from him?

I might be ready to make a read on Visor. Take that back. Scum leans.

i think schema's about 89% town here

Why?

negative points for schema

negative points for schema

your opening posts on schema.





And then this. Which is about the same posts.

how the hell do you extrapolate "the same posts"

read the post i just made

read the thread just then

how can you read that thread and come to that conclusion

[Cuthillius]

Ah I see.

Well my response to that is you're still bad and you're still a wolf and you're still getting lynched good day nice talking with you.

oh oops my case was bulls**t oh well peace out mnyeah cya later