Swords and Sorcery Mafia Without the Swords [Concluded]

[Zack]

Why? Winston was clearly joking around, Zack tried to assign a read to it, Winston reacted calmly and in a town way. Both are clearly towny after that.

He was clearly defending Al Sips in a non-joking way.

[Jabbz]

Too much blabber? Members of the jury, I would like to direct your attention to page one of this thread.

Back to Renata. Glasshouses and all that.

Last edited by Snerk; Today at 05:06.

Also edits are bad, Snerk.

You think edits are bad, you should see my typos. But I'll try.

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[GeneralHankerchief]

Arakhor, where's your head at right now?

Unrelated:
Vote: atheotes

[Renata]

Reason, GH?

[GeneralHankerchief]

Top towns and scums, no particular order:

Towns:

Zack
Renata
Csargo
Snerk
Renata

Zack and Snerk on tone, Csargo is a soul read, Renata's listed twice because she's that townie to me.

Scums
Visor
atheotes
Winston
Arakhor

Visor and atheotes from the interaction I highlighted earlier, atheotes a bit stronger of a read hence my vote. Haven't liked Winston's thread presence so far, particularly this tidbit:

Of course, if you're town, the thing y'all need to be asking yourselves right now is whether I'd ever allow myself to be caught out this easily as scum.

Seems twiggy and a go-to defense as mafia in my experience.

Arakhor because his non-socializing posts have been super hedge-y.

[Zack]

* reads 185 *

[Renata]

I see my attempts not to get universally town read on day one for a change are going swimmingly. The usual stray votes notwithstanding.

[Renata]

Next game I will just not post at all. That should do it.

[Csargo]

Top towns and scums, no particular order:

Towns:

Zack
Renata
Csargo
Snerk
Renata

Zack and Snerk on tone, Csargo is a soul read, Renata's listed twice because she's that townie to me.

Scums
Visor
atheotes
Winston
Arakhor

Visor and atheotes from the interaction I highlighted earlier, atheotes a bit stronger of a read hence my vote. Haven't liked Winston's thread presence so far, particularly this tidbit:



Seems twiggy and a go-to defense as mafia in my experience.

Arakhor because his non-socializing posts have been super hedge-y.

I'm not sure how to feel about that...

[Snerk]

Snerk's effort levels would seem scummy for him, but he's also hung a massive lampshade on it.

Why are my effort levels scummy?

I think that both Zack and Winston are clearly town from this engagement.

I'm not onboard this train at all. But I liked their confrontation last page.

Consider yourself warned @Snerk :P

Sorry didn't know edits were not allowed. This is odd it's highly unusual for me to brake any game rules.

Arakhor because his non-socializing posts have been super hedge-y.

This is bang on but for what it's worth Arakhor is a hedge-y kind of guy regardless of alignment.

[Renata]

You gonna reconsider your vote on me at any point today, Snerk?

[Snerk]

^Must resist urge to edit brake to break...

[Snerk]

You gonna reconsider your vote on me at any point today, Snerk?

It's certainly possible.Who's your best candidate for the lynch today and why?

[Renata]

Winston, right now. I didn't like his response to Zack's case on him. But you should be able to figure that out just be reading, shouldn't you?

[Winston Hughes]

I'm gonna need explanations for the reads on me and Renata.

That's difficult, as they are not founded on conscious reactions.

But I'm working on it.

Why are my effort levels scummy?

It was a way back, but around the time of that game we played at GitP there was a thing about you acting more townie as scum than as town, which I think was largely down to effort.

And that notion is supported/lampshaded by your comments on town/scum effort levels.

[Snerk]

Well it's always nice to have things clarified. :)

[Snerk]

^was a response to renata

[Winston Hughes]

Winston, right now. I didn't like his response to Zack's case on him.

But why?

I get where Zack is coming from. It fits with pretty much every other occasion he's suspected me (albeit he was scum on some of them).

I'm not getting that sense from you.

[Snerk]

It was a way back, but around the time of that game we played at GitP there was a thing about you acting more townie as scum than as town, which I think was largely down to effort.

And that notion is supported/lampshaded by your comments on town/scum effort levels.

Congratulations, you have better memory than me. :)

The reason I asked is that I don't see my efforts thus far as all that constructive. So I don't really follow the logic, but I guess I sort of see where it's coming from.

[Zack]

Red Dwarf was the one where you spent the first few days just talking about votecounts, right? (at winston)

[Renata]

But why?

I get where Zack is coming from. It fits with pretty much every other occasion he's suspected me (albeit he was scum on some of them).

I'm not getting that sense from you.

All the answers below look really weak to me. Like trying to pass off yourself off as just lalaladon'tcare when that's really not your MO that I've ever noticed -- when you go "make myself lynchbait" you don't mess around. Lampshading that it's a weak vote and all. I mean, I get that the vote in itself. I do stuff like that myself. I just feel like you got called out and you're fumbling a bit in a way that seems unlike you.

A bit weak.

Powerful weak, more like.

I'm not joking, I'm just chatting shit without a care.

Not quite.

I mean it does sound like Al's M.O.

Which means that it's not alignment indicative in itself.

But he has just dropped it and not come back, making him a valid place to put a vote.

It is a weak vote on Renata's part, and an even weaker one on mine.

But, hey, I never said I had anything better.

[Zack]

All the answers below look really weak to me. Like trying to pass off yourself off as just lalaladon'tcare when that's really not your MO that I've ever noticed.

Exactly. The last quote especially downplays the fact that Winston defended Al and implied Renata should find a better vote, then suddenly voted Al when I said Winston sounded like he was defending a teammate. Then acts like that's not how it happened at all, it was just lolnotcaring (and while shitposting is a thing Winston does as town, particularly early on, not caring isn't).

[Winston Hughes]

I'm gonna need explanations for the reads on me and Renata.

On you, it's simply that I see a townie mind at work. The process is coherent and plausible. That it's not beyond you to fake it is a qualifier, but only a weak one. (I can give more specifics if you want, but it's very time consuming, and I'd rather focus my energies on people I'm not yet townreading.)

On Renata, she started the game posting in what looks, superficially at least, like a relaxed manner. But as I was reading it there was something gnawing at me. Sentence structure, punctuation, word choices might be part of this. A little conservative, perhaps? Or maybe it's the things she engaged with, and how she engaged with them - it's all jokey and nice, with not much in the way of provocation. OMGUS on Monty seems more defusing than engaging. Snerk vote is reasonable-but-easy, and reaction to his OMGUS is a brush off. Early reads list and explanation are reasonable, but again lack for provocation. Vote on Al follows suit. It's got a bit better as time has gone on, but you'd expect that either way.

Of course, that's pretty much the least charitable read I could give to what Renata has posted. Bottom line is it's a gut reaction that I'm justifying because you asked, rather than any kind of considered case for pushing her towards the noose.

[Dp101]

Renata, I really, really disagree with your continued pushing of winston. It looks exactly like mafia pushing a slightly odd townie, and I would have expected that town!you would have found something else by now.

[Sooh]

ION = in other news?

Correct.

You think edits are bad, you should see my typos. But I'll try.

Disagree. Her frantic opening to a recent all business approach. I'm getting a scum vibe.

I just don't want you to get yourself modkilled, as that's not the way to go in a mafia game.

Also a bit on the same page with you about Renata, but I'll give her some space to find herself this game.

[Zack]

Renata, I really, really disagree with your continued pushing of winston. It looks exactly like mafia pushing a slightly odd townie, and I would have expected that town!you would have found something else by now.

What makes you think he is so towny?

This is a weird vote from you.

[Sooh]

I don't get how trying = scum.

Well, there's trying, and then there's TRYING!!!!!

[Winston Hughes]

Red Dwarf was the one where you spent the first few days just talking about votecounts, right? (at winston)

Do you mean postcounts? (As in, I worked through the ISOs from the low posters upwards.)

If so, yes.

If not, I'm not sure what you're talking about.

[Zack]

Do you mean postcounts? (As in, I worked through the ISOs from the low posters upwards.)

If so, yes.

If not, I'm not sure what you're talking about.

Sorry, yes that's what I meant.

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It was definitely a trick question, in the hopes I could spring the trap on you of not remembering your most recent scum games well enough to use the lame "would I really do this as a wolf?" defense.

[Dp101]

What makes you think he is so towny?

This is a weird vote from you.

Tone. Everything about his posts feels like the same, standard, "I'm going to try to be village and have a good time, even if it gets me scumread" that I always see from him. If anyone else was posting in the way that he was, I would be perfectly fine with someone going after them, but this right here is exactly what I have come to expect from him.