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"We are living in space-age times but there's too many of us thinking with stone-age minds" | How to spot a Humanist
"Men of Quality do not fear Equality." | "Belief doesn't change facts. Facts, if you are reasonable, should change your beliefs."
The question is, are people allowed to change their mind when additional information comes in? The No vote in Scotland's independence referendum was based on economic arguments, and Brexit apart (and Scotland won't be allowed to make a separate decision from the UK), the information was largely correct. The Leave vote in the Brexit referendum was based on promises which the government and even the campaigners agree cannot be kept, other than the action of leaving the EU. Reducing immigration is not practically possible, the 350m/wk promise was repudiated by Farage the day after the referendum, Davis has rejected requests to reveal the studies commissioned to review the likely effects of Brexit, etc. Other than the action of leaving the EU, not a single promise made by the Leave campaign is being held to account, with the campaigners themselves admitting they were fantasies.
I'm afraid I did not watch this movie that is based on my life.
And yes, it's an important question because in his universe it appears to be normal to tell other people you hate them, want nothing to do with them anymore and then expect them to bend over backwards to comfort you as you leave them to rot.
Of course they are not allowed to change their minds. That would be like science and science is just a scam anyway.
They do however have the right to leave Britain any day based on a (new) gut feeling.
This is also true for London of course. It was conquered by Wessex at some point, doesn't want to pay so much in taxes for the other British regions and has its own distinct culture from them, it should really have a referendum to become its own nation.
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"Topic is tired and needs a nap." - Tosa Inu
"Topic is tired and needs a nap." - Tosa Inu
"The only way that has ever been discovered to have a lot of people cooperate together voluntarily is through the free market. And that's why it's so essential to preserving individual freedom.” -- Milton Friedman
"The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule." -- H. L. Mencken
New figures show Britain £500bn poorer than thought
At what point will Leavers recognise that their decision has monumentally buggered up the British economy?Britain is £490bn (€550bn) poorer than thought and no longer has any reserve of net foreign assets to help protect against any damage to the economy from Brexit.
The revision to the national accounts in the Office of National Statistic's (ONS) so-called Blue Book means that the UK's net international investment position has collapsed from a surplus of £469bn to a net deficit of £22bn - equivalent to a quarter of GDP.
The revised figures show the country owns far fewer international assets and owes far more to foreign investors than previously thought.
"Half a trillion pounds has gone missing," said Mark Capleton, the UK rates strategist at Bank of America.
The effective writedown in the value of "UK plc" could make it harder to defend sterling and the British debt markets against a run on the pound after Britain leaves the European Union.
It comes as the Brexit talks in Brussels reach a crucial stage.
Treasury officials are already braced for "gloomy" OECD forecasts which are due to give its two-yearly update on the state of the UK economy today.
The ONS overestimated how many financial assets Britons own overseas and foreign investment in the UK.
Company profits were lower than forecast, and a large amount of supposed assets held by firms were in fact disguised forms of lending to UK households.
The revision is disturbing given that foreign direct investment into Britain has collapsed, plummeting from a net £120bn in the first half of last year to a net outflow of £25bn this year.
The apparent resilience of these flows shortly after the Brexit referendum was an illusion, since the funds had already been committed earlier.
I dont understand this, why would a reduction in owned assets increase our debt? Surely the debt is unaffected.The revision to the national accounts in the Office of National Statistic's (ONS) so-called Blue Book means that the UK's net international investment position has collapsed from a surplus of £469bn to a net deficit of £22bn - equivalent to a quarter of GDP.
The revised figures show the country owns far fewer international assets and owes far more to foreign investors than previously thought.
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Britain's best choice is pretty clear.
Join Canada. Britain would get NAFTA, which might cushion the shock of leaving the EU. No hard choices to make really as we share much of the same public infrastructure already.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/naft...nada-1.4353341
The idea seems to have started as a lark, but when you think about it, it really makes sense.
Ja-mata TosaInu
"The only way that has ever been discovered to have a lot of people cooperate together voluntarily is through the free market. And that's why it's so essential to preserving individual freedom.” -- Milton Friedman
"The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule." -- H. L. Mencken
The pain will go both ways if Trump blows up NAFTA.
Canada will of course be hurt to a greater degree, but it will not go well in the U.S.
At present, Trump's demands amount to little more than an attempt at blackmail.
"Tough bargaining", sure but usually one makes demands that might even be met.
A nice overview of the deal, the issues and process:
https://beta.theglobeandmail.com/new...beandmail.com&
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Ja-mata TosaInu
QUOTE=HopAlongBunny;2053764552]The pain will go both ways if Trump blows up NAFTA.
Canada will of course be hurt to a greater degree, but it will not go well in the U.S.
At present, Trump's demands amount to little more than an attempt at blackmail.
"Tough bargaining", sure but usually one makes demands that might even be met.
A nice overview of the deal, the issues and process:
https://beta.theglobeandmail.com/new...beandmail.com&[/QUOTE]
This kind of move is classic, old-school "I'm gonna make you blink first" bargaining.
The folks at the NP have made academic and consulting careers on countering this tactic alone.Originally Posted by Daily Blog from the Negotiation Project; Harvard Law School
And The Donald simply loves to play hard-nosed/I'm tougher than you are/I can fool you negotiation games. He even wrote of a tactic in the art of the deal based on not washing your hands just after going to the bathroom before a meeting. The idea being that you would know that you'd just been handling your junk and that your handshake with the other folks meant that you were getting one over on them. You would thus be psyched to do a better, more powerful and dominating performance in the deal.
He apparently adores bargaining head=games and dirty tricks.
"The only way that has ever been discovered to have a lot of people cooperate together voluntarily is through the free market. And that's why it's so essential to preserving individual freedom.” -- Milton Friedman
"The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule." -- H. L. Mencken
Population of the UK is double that of Canada. If the UK joined, its regions would become states and former UK territories would control 2/3 of your parliament. Not a good outcome for Canada by any means. However, the UK-brexiteers believe they can make the commonwealth into a quasi-EU controlled by London, sort of re-igniting the Empire sort of thing.
Days since the Apocalypse began
"We are living in space-age times but there's too many of us thinking with stone-age minds" | How to spot a Humanist
"Men of Quality do not fear Equality." | "Belief doesn't change facts. Facts, if you are reasonable, should change your beliefs."
This kind of move is classic, old-school "I'm gonna make you blink first" bargaining.
The folks at the NP have made academic and consulting careers on countering this tactic alone.
And The Donald simply loves to play hard-nosed/I'm tougher than you are/I can fool you negotiation games. He even wrote of a tactic in the art of the deal based on not washing your hands just after going to the bathroom before a meeting. The idea being that you would know that you'd just been handling your junk and that your handshake with the other folks meant that you were getting one over on them. You would thus be psyched to do a better, more powerful and dominating performance in the deal.
He apparently adores bargaining head=games and dirty tricks.[/QUOTE]
Don't clean your nails, you barely made it on time after all
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Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
http://www.snopes.com/trump-no-wash-trick/
Leftist propaganda fake news.This passage does not appear anywhere in Donald Trump’s The Art of the Deal. We searched the text of that book for the phrase “‘no-wash’ trick,” as well as more colorful offerings such as “handling your junk” and “touched my schlong,” and came up empty-handed each time.
Never forget though that many people you will meet in life will not have washed their hands when they touch you either way.
https://www.livescience.com/37326-ba...ng-habits.html
Of course researchers also found that kids playing in the dirt on farms develop fewer allergies, but I guess one could still be expected to at least wash the worst stuff off one's hands after going to the loo. Having sterile hands all day might be a bit much. When was the last time you sterilized your keyboard?After using the bathroom, 95 percent of people fail to wash their hands long enough to kill harmful bacteria, a new study finds.
Researchers also found that only two in three people use soap, while one in 10 skips the sink altogether, and men get much lower marks for hand hygiene than women.
Last edited by Husar; 10-17-2017 at 17:41.
"Topic is tired and needs a nap." - Tosa Inu
"Topic is tired and needs a nap." - Tosa Inu
I believe I wash my hands more thoroughly than most (at public restrooms), and I would be reprimanded at a hospital for inadequate washing - or maybe not. How well and frequently do you wash your hands at home? I already have some anxiety about offending people by shaking with sweaty hands, but a lack of sterility is no problem at all. It's hand-to-hand, not hand-to-face (of which latter is a separate issue, but it's definitely weirded me out for a long time, how can you hold a handrail then wipe at your face?!?).
Vitiate Man.
History repeats the old conceits
The glib replies, the same defeats
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
Sad to say, but such an outcome would likely thrill some people. The Daughters of the Empire (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperi..._of_the_Empire) would almost certainly hold a tea :)
Last edited by HopAlongBunny; 10-18-2017 at 12:22.
Ja-mata TosaInu
Erm, not all of us care about immigration.
In fact the ashcroft exit polls confirmed that it was not the most significant motivation by a long shot.
Nor too do all of us give a damn about the £350m/year promise for the NHS.
Some of us (me included), simply believed it was a poor form of governance. One that demonstrated its rank inadequacy in the renegotiation when belgium et-al demanded the exemption from ever-closer-union must apply only to britain.
And that if we really want to get down into the weeds of the economic argument, where remainers complain about lost growth, then i'll whine about the 10% of GDP lost in the last generation as a result of GDP growth being suppressed by 0.4% year on year, as the post social-chapter labour government pursued a european economic/regulatory model and spent 5% more GDP than it needed to on government services. Compound growth (or the lack thereof) is a bitch!
Last edited by Furunculus; 10-18-2017 at 23:23.
Furunculus Maneuver: Adopt a highly logical position on a controversial subject where you cannot disagree with the merits of the proposal, only disagree with an opinion based on fundamental values. - Beskar
https://iea.org.uk/wp-content/upload...Growth-PDF.pdf
They talk about 1.0% over 'the long term' for a 10% fall, rather than 0.4% over 'a generation' for a 5% fall, but p0tato/patato.
Last edited by Furunculus; 10-18-2017 at 23:37.
Furunculus Maneuver: Adopt a highly logical position on a controversial subject where you cannot disagree with the merits of the proposal, only disagree with an opinion based on fundamental values. - Beskar
Erm, how economically and politically credible is the IEA? I've spoken before about my contempt for the neoliberal economic theorists who advocated hardcore adoption of their theories in Yeltsin's Russia while they lived a continent and an ocean away. From what I can see, the IEA is one of these very same neolib think tanks. Does it talk about the social impact of their economic analyses? Because that was what did for Yeltsin's Russia.
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