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lol ok mr Erdogan you are absolutily right, the Dutch are nazi's who killed 8000 muslims in Sebrenica.
3x50mg Oxazepam dailly I'd say
Nothing like a good diplomatic dispute with a grandeurish Turk
edit, you couldn't make it up, we didn't just kill them we also sold their organs according to Turkey. Do they really WANT to look like idiots. Turkey understands propaganda, everybody ought to know it's nonsense, propaganda is disempowerment, you know it's nonsense but you can do nothing about it. Even North-Koreans understand that their great leader didn't strike a hole in one the first time he tried golf and that he couldn't drive a car when he was 3
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Days since the Apocalypse began
"We are living in space-age times but there's too many of us thinking with stone-age minds" | How to spot a Humanist
"Men of Quality do not fear Equality." | "Belief doesn't change facts. Facts, if you are reasonable, should change your beliefs."
I sincerely doubt that. Turkey's too important for NATO, so he just needs to refrain from doing something incredibly stupid, like starting an all out unprovoked war. Unless he manages to alienate NATO, Russia and the Middle East at the same time, he's pretty much sultan for life.
The obvious explanation is that the Turkish government encouraged them to protest, and that they're not only from Rotterdam.
But there's more to it, of course. In the sixties through the seventies, the Dutch government tended to accomodate Turkish organisations (meaning with roots in Turkey itself) who wanted to operate here. This includes islamic istitutions who wanted to build mosques for migrants, but also some nationalist clubs.
Mostly this was due to naive optimism about integration, thinking that those organisations could help. The result is mixed at best, since those organisations also fostered bonds with Turkey. Partly, it also because many people expected that the Turkish migrants would one day pack up and return to Turkey.
Sums it up.
But all this is getting even funnier, Norway supposedly wants to give Gülen-supporters (that means everybody who is again the neo-sultan) political asylum. Hell hath no fury like a Turk feeling dishonored so we are going to hear some wild things from that supermarketfloorrolltoddler
Big LOL@the neosultan, a kids book offends him. Truly. Must be gülen-kids in Austria. Europhiles were so angry when Wilders called Erdogan a total freak, but let's add things up. Ah well let's just don't. Yeah, we Dutch are nazi's, we killed those muslims in Sebrenica, and we used to bury muslim children alive. If only that was everything. Can a sane Turk please shoot him.
Turkish voters vote to support increased presidential power. Link
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I wonder how many Turks were afraid of getting on a 'gulen supporter' list, but then again, Turks are fiercily nationalistic and Erdogan brings some grandeur.
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RIP Turkish Democracy.
Next up - reinstatement of the death penalty.
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Well it's democracy even when rigged and intimidation was the key component. They are not going to like what happens next, tourism will freeze because of the Erdokhans outbursts and there isn't really anything else worth looking for. That big country is an economic midget with no friends. A big army that will make their treassury cough up blood the second they start their engines and I bet the Kurds can already smell it, as does the army itself probably, happy civil-war dear neosultan, nice palace by the way, really big. Adieu erdokhan may you live in interesting times
Last edited by Fragony; 04-17-2017 at 11:45.
That's a new one from you. I like it. Actually a great pun considering the Turkish phonetics of his name.the Erdokhans
Vitiate Man.
History repeats the old conceits
The glib replies, the same defeats
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Last I saw, 63% of Turks in Germany voted yes...
Then again I wonder whether the number was even reliable or changed a bit to create a rift between Germans and Turks.
Sounds crazy, but so do reports from Turkey from election observers. In Kurdish regions, police and military were inside the polling stations.
In several provinces, votes without official polling papers were counted due to alleged mistakes of the local officials in conducting the polling. The polling authorities just accepted this.
In other provinces, observers were not allowed into any of the polling stations while in yet other provinces, they reported that voters were forced to vote openly and not in secret...
It sounds a bit like the vote in Crimea, except that it was still close this time.
Edit: Almost forgot: One of the opposition parties had problems getting enough polling observers in some parts of the country because their people are all in jail...
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I doubt that. Turks take great pains to let tourism fluorish irrespective of the political situation (and even terroristic attacks). When Erdogan saw Russia introduce a ban on tourist trips to Turkey (after the Russian plane was downed) it didn't take him long to make it up with Putin for him to open the sluice again.
We will see I guess. Erdogan's rethoric has been so openly hostile, especially against Netherlands and Germany, that tourism might take a nosedive. Early prognoses look very bad at the moment for Turkish tourism at least, people are afraid to go there right now, the tourists who go there don't go there to watch the Haggia Sophia but for beaches and swimming pools. Funny that you mention Russians as that's also a reason don't want to go anymore, not that I have seen it myself and it needs a 'not all Russians are like that', but supposedly it aren't exactly the classy types so to say, Russians are even worse than the Brittish and that's saying a lot
Last edited by Fragony; 04-18-2017 at 14:28.
I heard some hotels sport a sign saying something like "we have a restful atmosphere as we don't accomodate Russians". It was said about some European hotels though (Czech, IIRC), Turks have always been ready to invite Russian tourists, they are very numerous and consequently one of the chief sources of income.
Nevertheless, Turkey saw a huge dip in number of tourists in 2016, something close to 25%, compared to 2015. A huge part of that is fewer Russian tourists, but also from Germany and UK.
On the other hand, more Ukrainians visited in 2016, and tourists from Ukraine are now more numerous than Russian tourists.
Croatia>Turkey anyway. If you must transverse the orient, go there.
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My aim, then, was to whip the rebels, to humble their pride, to follow them to their inmost recesses, and make them fear and dread us. Fear is the beginning of wisdom.
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"The only way that has ever been discovered to have a lot of people cooperate together voluntarily is through the free market. And that's why it's so essential to preserving individual freedom.” -- Milton Friedman
"The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule." -- H. L. Mencken
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There, but for the grace of God, goes John Bradford
My aim, then, was to whip the rebels, to humble their pride, to follow them to their inmost recesses, and make them fear and dread us. Fear is the beginning of wisdom.
I am tired and sick of war. Its glory is all moonshine. It is only those who have neither fired a shot nor heard the shrieks and groans of the wounded who cry aloud for blood, for vengeance, for desolation.
"The only way that has ever been discovered to have a lot of people cooperate together voluntarily is through the free market. And that's why it's so essential to preserving individual freedom.” -- Milton Friedman
"The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule." -- H. L. Mencken
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