XCOM Mafia [Concluded]

**Dp101** · 06-22-2017, 14:53

Tally as of post 360:

Lynch votes
3 votes: Dp101 (Csargo, Askthepizzaguy, El Barto)
2 votes: El Barto (crimson_snow, Fredwood)
1 votes: Autolycus (Jowy)
1 votes: Manasi (Champ)
1 votes: Novice (autolycus)
1 votes: Winston Hughes (Logic)
1 votes: Champ (Manasi)
1 votes: Sooh (BSmith)
1 votes: No Lynch (Montmorency)
1 votes: Csargo (Dp101)
1 votes: monty (Cuthillius)
1 votes: Cuthilius (novice)

Voting history:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read:

**Dp101** · 06-22-2017, 14:56

Originally Posted by Csargo

I genuinely think Dp is scum, so I make no apologies for pushing/voting him. If I'm wrong, then so be it, but I don't think I am. I also hate the theories pushed by C_S/novice just fyi. This is D1, and the pressure Dp has been under is moderate, but not terribly severe I don't think. Not enough to make a townie post poorly imo, so those arguments make me sad.

Enjoy the paranoia about me though, that's always nice. Gearing up to lynch me tomorrow, or maybe today ATPG? I won't go gently into that good night, so just be warned. Do you see any parallels between this game and the Pokemon one ATPG from me? I don't understand why you're trying to throw shade on me right now, considering in this game, you've got the most experience playing with me. I just find it terribly odd. If you come after me though, at least it'll be fun.

I hope you enjoy the ride ATPG :)

The second paragraph here feels very scummy to me, but I also can't explain why. I just can't come up with a single reason for scum to ever actually post it, in this situation, but the tone of it is horrible regardless.

**Dp101** · 06-22-2017, 14:57

Sorry for quotewalls, on mobile.

**Dp101** · 06-22-2017, 14:59

Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

Not comfortable with Novice, not comfortable with Fredwood. Will re-read both.

Fredwood I understand, but why Novice?

**Csargo** · 06-22-2017, 15:02

Originally Posted by Dp101

The second paragraph here feels very scummy to me, but I also can't explain why. I just can't come up with a single reason for scum to ever actually post it, in this situation, but the tone of it is horrible regardless.

I continue to be your biggest fan.

**Dp101** · 06-22-2017, 15:16

Originally Posted by Csargo

I continue to be your biggest fan.

Thx bby

**Askthepizzaguy** · 06-22-2017, 15:37

Not done with isos but this is important for me to get out sooner rather than later

@Logic

I have you as a solid town lean, but here is my one complaint with your iso. Your footprint is very small, focused on one person for very straightforward reasons, and you mentioned you're willing to vote the no lynchers (at the time).

I want to lock you townie. I need more from you because the footprint is too small. Give me as many reads on the individual players and game state as possible. I think I can put you away as lock town on day one if you do, but I'd need to see it first.

**Askthepizzaguy** · 06-22-2017, 15:39

most important is why you feel that way. I may / may not care about or agree with the leans themselves.

**Askthepizzaguy** · 06-22-2017, 16:48

Originally Posted by Csargo

I genuinely think Dp is scum, so I make no apologies for pushing/voting him. If I'm wrong, then so be it, but I don't think I am. I also hate the theories pushed by C_S/novice just fyi. This is D1, and the pressure Dp has been under is moderate, but not terribly severe I don't think. Not enough to make a townie post poorly imo, so those arguments make me sad.

Enjoy the paranoia about me though, that's always nice. Gearing up to lynch me tomorrow, or maybe today ATPG? I won't go gently into that good night, so just be warned. Do you see any parallels between this game and the Pokemon one ATPG from me? I don't understand why you're trying to throw shade on me right now, considering in this game, you've got the most experience playing with me. I just find it terribly odd. If you come after me though, at least it'll be fun.

I hope you enjoy the ride ATPG :)

Almost done with all isos, wanted to respond to this.

No, I don't think I'm considering you for a lynch until near final-whatever. Looking over your iso, I saw much townie-ness that I wasn't feeling in real time because I was focusing my attention elsewhere, and then felt sudden paranoia about you being a power wolf.

The iso is really solid though. Maybe your best town game I've seen in ages.

One thing though, I have a lot of experience playing with you, but I've never been comfortable reading your alignment confidently because you were, for most of those games, a 1 or few post a round player and your footprint is small and your thoughts are focused on few people at a time. You also don't rustle or really react to pressure, so I have no idea how to forcibly read you without your cooperation in most games.

I need a long vote history from you and a chance to "read the room" and see others' attitudes toward you to read you.

Here, after just your d1 iso, I feel confident again. And I don't think I've ever felt that way before.

**Askthepizzaguy** · 06-22-2017, 17:06

Not moving my vote on dp. That said it's mercy rule time- I've said what I feel and why and will lynch him today if nothing better. I will talk to him as if I'm considering both universes, but I won't push him with words, just my vote. I also didn't re-iso him because what little he posted since I logged off last wasn't enough to town read him.

In any case, this is the new list, after re-read of whole game, plus isos on everyone.

**Askthepizzaguy** · 06-22-2017, 17:08

Sorted leans with changes.

--------------------Lock
Askthepizzaguy
--------------------Town
Logic near lock
crimson_snow 85
Csargo- best iso 80 <----moved way up
Cuthillius- 75 <----moved up
--------------------Townish
El Barto- 55 <----moved up
Manasi- 50
--------------------Maybe not scum
Montmorency- neutral
Champ- not wolfy (read of town is thinner compared to better info/stronger reads.)
--------------------Null range
Winston Hughes- null
Sooh- null
autolycus- null
BSmith- null
--------------------Bit wolfy
novice- mixed, bit wolfy. <---down
Fredwood- not great <---down
--------------------Wolfy
Jowy <---down
Dp101 <---no improvement
--------------------Must die
Not that confident yet

**Askthepizzaguy** · 06-22-2017, 17:15

Originally Posted by Dp101

Tally as of post 360:

Lynch votes
3 votes: Dp101 (Csargo, Askthepizzaguy, El Barto)
2 votes: El Barto (crimson_snow, Fredwood)
1 votes: Autolycus (Jowy)
1 votes: Manasi (Champ)
1 votes: Novice (autolycus)
1 votes: Winston Hughes (Logic)
1 votes: Champ (Manasi)
1 votes: Sooh (BSmith)
1 votes: No Lynch (Montmorency)
1 votes: Csargo (Dp101)
1 votes: monty (Cuthillius)
1 votes: Cuthilius (novice)

Voting history:

Votes I think should change:
The votes on El barto, the vote on Autolycus, the vote on Csargo, the vote on Cuth.

**Askthepizzaguy** · 06-22-2017, 17:26

Csargo- only the posts with content that gave me any reaction.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read:

Conclusion: Feels good, man.

**Askthepizzaguy** · 06-22-2017, 17:27

Manasi- only the posts that gave me feels.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read:

Conclusion: feels town, but not a lock.

**novice** · 06-22-2017, 17:29

Originally Posted by Fredwood

So as the basis for my read, does him rolling a random new guy for pressure give you any useful information? Do you think the answer is enough for me to reassess my read?

Let's see: I didn't think you had much of a point because I thought you were just referring to a random opening vote, but he does indeed follow up with specifically asking you to respond to the vote, which you then brush off.

Originally Posted by El Barto

Oh, I do love Eddie Izzard.

I hope you have noticed that I am voting for you to be hanged from the neck until you die.

Originally Posted by Fredwood

Cake please.

Seems like a you problem not a me problem. I guess I could beg but if I get lynched day 1 in my first game, then I get lynched day 1 in my first game. The Random gods must be sated.

Originally Posted by El Barto

Originally Posted by Dp101

hahahhahahahahahahaahhaahahahahahahha

Enough is enough.

I would have voted crimson_snow first as a matter of policy, but you do not get to do this and live.

vote: Dp101

So I'd say El Barto's later switch to Dp without further comment warrants an explanation from El Barto, yes. Enough for a vote? Sure, on day 1.

**Askthepizzaguy** · 06-22-2017, 17:29

El barto- going from scum to town lean

Spoiler Alert, click show to read:

Conclusion: Mixed feelings, but I feel a lot better about his town possibilities.

**Askthepizzaguy** · 06-22-2017, 17:30

Logic

Spoiler Alert, click show to read:

Conclusion: Feels pretty townie. His thought process is very straightforward. Sadly, he's not spreading out very much. That's my only complaint. I could probably lock him up as town with more investment from him.

**Askthepizzaguy** · 06-22-2017, 17:31

Cuthillius- the townie

Spoiler Alert, click show to read:

Conclusion: Think Cuth is playing it town, no scum vibe at all.

**Askthepizzaguy** · 06-22-2017, 17:32

Champ- not shining as bright as my other stars, but not wolfy yet

Spoiler Alert, click show to read:

Conclusion: Town read on him is a lot more null at this point.

**novice** · 06-22-2017, 17:33

Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

What is so towny about Jowy? Help me out here. I'm not seeing it. Lot of people saying Jowy is townie but I didn't see anything alignment indicative to me.

For me it's that he's interacting intelligently with the thread. Maybe it shouldn't be alignment indicative, but it's giving me warm fuzzy feelings.

What's so scummy about Jowy?

**Askthepizzaguy** · 06-22-2017, 17:35

I have no problem telling people why I think X and Y are townies, and pushing my suspect, but that's as much of my notes and isos as I feel comfortable revealing this early.

**Askthepizzaguy** · 06-22-2017, 17:37

Originally Posted by novice

For me it's that he's interacting intelligently with the thread. Maybe it shouldn't be alignment indicative, but it's giving me warm fuzzy feelings.

What's so scummy about Jowy?

He has a wolfy agenda and a small footprint. His process is also badly conflicting with his actual pushes.

**Askthepizzaguy** · 06-22-2017, 17:40

Do an iso on jowy and tell me your opinions, anyone. Do you see what I saw or what townie-ness do you see? Point me at it. I've asked this before.

**Askthepizzaguy** · 06-22-2017, 17:47

Monty reads not necessarily scummy but not townie either. 3p/Sk selfish non-neutral.

**novice** · 06-22-2017, 17:51

Some ISO'ing of my own then. Jowy just seems to the point, although I see now that he pocketed me nicely with his first few posts.

To the point:

Originally Posted by Jowy

Claiming Miller in your first post is the right way to handle that.

Though it could still be an inside joke, I wouldn't know.

Pocketing me by voting my voter:

Originally Posted by Jowy

Vote: Autolycus

Coz the vote sounds so forced even as a joke

Pocketing:

Originally Posted by Jowy

Novice looking towny too though his skills to appear as such should not be underestimated. I like the questioning nevertheless.

To the point:

Originally Posted by Jowy

Hey DP any reason why you didn't join the wagon if you're annoyed by the lack of content in the game?

To the point:

Originally Posted by Jowy

Are you reading him as town? I don't see what's the issue if you aren't.

Mindmeld:

Originally Posted by Jowy

I'm doing it anyway. (Townreading Crimson) Might be a bit level 1 if you are idd a good wolf, but it's unavoidable when most faces are new to me.

To the point:

Originally Posted by Jowy

Scum-DP is a slacker. Lots of excuses in the thread for not playing the game, meanwhile he's chatting away in the scum nest ^^

These next two post are exactly what I would have been thinking and doing at that point if I has been awake. Well, except I wouldn't have picked Autolycus as an alternative.

Originally Posted by Jowy

If we're done bullying poor Dp101 we could move some votes on Auto to surprise him when he comes back!

The Barto wagon could be juicy as well. You have my spiritual support on that.

Originally Posted by Jowy

It's fair, you were stonewalling us pretty badly. Looking a bit better now that we're getting something out of you, tho don't disappear even if your wagon does.

To the point:

Originally Posted by Jowy

Alright that's a bad move. When you start your wagon with an excuse for when the target flips villa, it probably won't be taking off any time soon. Oh and it's suspicious.

**novice** · 06-22-2017, 17:54

Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

He has a wolfy agenda and a small footprint. His process is also badly conflicting with his actual pushes.

I see what you mean about his small footprint, but it's not like he's been spamming on a single topic, the entire thread had a pretty small footprint last night. Do elaborate on the other points.

**Manasi** · 06-22-2017, 18:02

This is one of the fastest org games I've ever played sos.

Anything worth catching up on? I skimmed through ATPG isos.

**novice** · 06-22-2017, 18:03

Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

Votes I think should change:
The votes on El barto, the vote on Autolycus, the vote on Csargo, the vote on Cuth.

I'll probably move my vote after Cuth addresses it.
I like this post by Cuth, the rest seem well within his scum range.

Originally Posted by Cuthillius

HOWEVER

i also kinda think dp is town

i think he's being pushed for bad reasons, and i like his responses

he's reacting in a towny way, exactly like i'd expect, i think he'd be a bit more deflecting contrasted with some aggressive posts

here it just feels pretty natural

with that in mind i'm not putting aside the option of something like pizza scum ?maybe csargo? in there and possibly another person i townread

as of right now again i do like all of the listed

would most like to lynch monty, curious what you people, including dp, have to say about him

struggling a little to find wolves as of right now which is why i'm sideeying my townreads

but eh we'll see

**Dp101** · 06-22-2017, 18:10

Originally Posted by Manasi

This is one of the fastest org games I've ever played sos.

Anything worth catching up on? I skimmed through ATPG isos.

Maybe looking at Csargo and how he's been weirdly aggressive in his pushing of me?

**Zack** · 06-22-2017, 18:13

Official Tally as of #389

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Day 1 ends in:

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3 Dp101 (Csargo, Askthepizzaguy, El Barto)

2 El Barto (crimson_snow, Fredwood)

1 Askthepizzaguy (Montmorency)
1 autolycus (Jowy)
1 Champ (Manasi)
1 Csargo (Dp101)
1 Cuthillius (novice)
1 Manasi (Champ)
1 Montmorency (Cuth) [edit: fixed]
1 novice (autolycus)
1 Sooh (BSmith)
1 Winston Hughes (Logic)

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Not Voting: @Sooh and @Winston Hughes -- reminder to vote before eod

Not Posting: (everyone has posted

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