XCOM Mafia [Concluded]

[Winston Hughes]

Having successfully picked out all the scum on his short visit to the mafia championships, how glorious would it be if auto had managed to cast all three of his votes here against wrong-uns (novice, DP101, Manasi) as well?

[Winston Hughes]

Reread is occuring. I think Novice is slightly towny, but only slightly, and I already know he's capable of that kind of thing. Manasi seems more forced than normal, and the early comment about the difference between neutral and third-party makes me think some kinda anti-town third party role. I am terrible at reading spamposters however, which is why you won't see a Champ read in here. Logic was decent once he stopped spamming, but could do with more posts. Winston objectively towny with his jokey attitude, doesn't feel forced at all. Monty is Monty, I really don't know how to read him, at all. Maybe slight town for doing the same kinda snap read on me that he does every game (or at least, it felt like a snap read last time)? But he does that as scum as well, I dunno. Everyone else needs to post more.

Working through DP's iso, and the bolded jumped out as looking good for him. Not that DP is beyond distancing with his scumbuddies, but the type of shade thrown ('more forced than normal') and the third-party suggestion both seem more likely genuine than faked.

[Winston Hughes]

Quick comparison with DP's D1 here and in his champs game shows strong similarities in tone and flow. This D1 lacked the longer analysis posts he periodically dropped over there, which could simply be down to him working harder in the champs game, but could equally suggest that he cared less about being townread in this one. Overall, he probably looks a tiny bit worse from the comparison, because it shows the general vibe here is something he can do as scum.

[Dp101]

Quick comparison with DP's D1 here and in his champs game shows strong similarities in tone and flow. This D1 lacked the longer analysis posts he periodically dropped over there, which could simply be down to him working harder in the champs game, but could equally suggest that he cared less about being townread in this one. Overall, he probably looks a tiny bit worse from the comparison, because it shows the general vibe here is something he can do as scum.

Oh, rest assured that I'm not even going to attempt to put in champs-levels of effort, with the thousand word readslists. Not sure if I should treat the similarities comment as a compliment on my scum game or a criticism of my current town game :D

[Winston Hughes]

Ah, now I see what Monty was talking about with Manasi and DP on D1.

Not going to bother reading the rest of his iso. Can't see Manasi bussing there.

[Winston Hughes]

Oh, rest assured that I'm not even going to attempt to put in champs-levels of effort, with the thousand word readslists. Not sure if I should treat the similarities comment as a compliment on my scum game or a criticism of my current town game :D

Let's go with 'both'. :P

[Logic]

This is a weird progression. You go from a nullish read to "a tad on the scummy side" which becomes "very suspicious" by the end of the post. Not to mention that the "tad on the scummy side" tell objectively isn't scummy. (But that is in Logic's derp range.)

After a re-read, something pings to me:
Now, it is entirely possible that novice has already been able to identify my trends, such as my derps, but from what I have derped about I don't think is significant enough to get that read, based on the single prior game in Pokemon, (and maybe from my D1 on French Rev, I don't recall if he was a player in that.)

Bottom Line: but I don't think I've done enough to establish a "derp" range to anyone living but Cuthillius, who has seen my derps in the Playground.

He's also left out the context of that quote:

I'm not going to read any of the game until the night phase, assuming I live that long. That's just something people are going to have to deal with. What's your actual stance on what I just laid out?

Now THIS i find a tad on the scummy side.

Why intentionally deprive yourself of information? If you are indeed town, that is all you have to work with. But a scum could easily get a summary from the wolf-chat, and be able to faux-try and point to a post like yours in the event any errors have been made.

Monty, I agree that GH is looking very suspicious.

I was null for GH's entry, until his claim that he wasn't going to read.

[Montmorency]

Ah, now I see what Monty was talking about with Manasi and DP on D1.

Not going to bother reading the rest of his iso. Can't see Manasi bussing there.

Can't find that, what did I say?

[Sooh]

I don't want a reprieve Sooh, if you think I'm scum then lynch me tomorrow.

I'm not sure, and I would like to see more from you. You're in that gray muddled middle ground with Fred and Monty.

[Winston Hughes]

Can't find that, what did I say?

Ah, sorry, it was Sooh who said it. I mixed it up with what you said about DP on last eod.

[Winston Hughes]

And DP for deciding the tally more or less, I suppose.

What did you mean here?

[Montmorency]

What did you mean here?

Lol

Kind of dumb, but if you take DP's last-minute vote as "deciding" that Bsmith has fewer votes than Manasi ergo Manasi has more votes than Bsmith...

So nullify that.

(This seems to have been influenced by, but separate from, the notion that DP voted Bsmith as a reaction test.)

[Winston Hughes]

I guess that makes it 1-1.

[Zack]

Night is over, do not post.

[Zack]

End of Night 3.


Sooh has been found dead. May she find all the balaten she wants in the next life.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Sooh was an ADVENT Trooper!

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

She was town!

novice has been poisoned. If he is not healed by the end of Night Four, he will die!

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It is now Day Four.

Voting ends in:

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Living Players: 11

@autolycus
@BSmith
@Csargo
@Cuthillius
@Dp101
@El Barto
@Fredwood
@Logic
@Montmorency
@novice -- POISONED!
@Winston Hughes

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Dead Players: 6

Jowy - Faceless
crimson_snow - Muton
Askthepizzaguy - Sectoid
GeneralHankerchief - Sectoid
Manasi - Grenadier
Sooh - ADVENT Trooper

[Zack]

You can post now.

Make sure your PM inboxes are clear. Do not discuss this, obviously.

[Montmorency]

Poison? Who dat?

Vote: BSmith

[novice]

Was that really necessary.

I'm the Avenger Pilot. Scum had better hurry if they want to call for evac.

[Montmorency]

BTW

Advent* (Town) classes:

• ADVENT Shieldbearer
• ADVENT Stun Lancer
  
• ADVENT Trooper x1

Alien** (Town) classes:

• Codex
  
• Faceless x1
  
• Muton x1
  
• Sectoid x2
• Viper

@Cuthilius Tell us what you are plz, what class
@Dp101 Explain some of the remaining roles, especially the Advent ones

I figure around 7 townies left give or take, so it may be likely that the classes we haven't seen yet (publicly) are out there.


*Leaving out big or elite units like Advent MEC or Officer
**Leaving out big or elite units like Andromedon, Archon, Avatar, Berserker, Chryssalid, Gatekeeper

[Montmorency]

Was that really necessary.

I'm the Avenger Pilot. Scum had better hurry if they want to call for evac.

So you claim to be scum?

http://xcom.wikia.com/wiki/Avenger_(XCOM_2)

[novice]

I have my own agenda.

[Montmorency]

I have my own agenda.

Full reveal. You know I'm sympathetic to third parties.

[Cuthillius]

viper, quite obviously

[Cuthillius]

cuth
winston
dp
monty
csargo

relatively confident in all of above being town

monty
fred

above prooobably town?

?novice?

autolycus
el barto
logic
bsmith

at least two scum in above

[Montmorency]

[Dp101]

@Dp101 Explain some of the remaining roles, especially the Advent ones

I figure around 7 townies left give or take, so it may be likely that the classes we haven't seen yet (publicly) are out there.


*Leaving out big or elite units like Advent MEC or Officer
**Leaving out big or elite units like Andromedon, Archon, Avatar, Berserker, Chryssalid, Gatekeeper

Shieldbearer would most likely be some kinda bodyguard role, Stun Lancer might be a roleblocker, if not an outright vig. Codex I have no idea, they are rather weird. Not sure how a forced reloading of weapons would be modeled, and same with the teleporting and splitting. Viper is basically poision, no alternatives. Do you want me to try and figure out what the elites roles might be, if they are in the game?

[Dp101]

Was that really necessary.

I'm the Avenger Pilot. Scum had better hurry if they want to call for evac.

Well then, that's most certainly not on the list of roles I would expect. Most likely a traitor role of some kind.

[Montmorency]

Shieldbearer would most likely be some kinda bodyguard role, Stun Lancer might be a roleblocker, if not an outright vig. Codex I have no idea, they are rather weird. Not sure how a forced reloading of weapons would be modeled, and same with the teleporting and splitting. Viper is basically poision, no alternatives. Do you want me to try and figure out what the elites roles might be, if they are in the game?

If you like. One hypothesis is that each or most of the classes are instantiated in pairs, one with abilities, one vanilla.

[Montmorency]

If you like. One hypothesis is that each or most of the classes are instantiated in pairs, one with abilities, one vanilla.

On the other hand, if Cuth did not poison novice, then we might have a second empowered Viper on our hands. So my hypothesis can't stand unmodified, unless Cuth claims.

[Dp101]

If you like. One hypothesis is that each or most of the classes are instantiated in pairs, one with abilities, one vanilla.

That doesn't make much sense to me, I feel that duplicated roles are more likely. Out of the elite roles that might actually be in the game, I feel that Archon is either a delayed vig or hider, depending on how the blazing pinions ability is interpreted. Chryssalid could be hider, or vig. All the others would probably translate to more powerful versions of confirmed roles, so those are probably the only other town. Of course, this is probably mostly wrong.