Favorite shock units...

**Michael the Great** · 11-09-2002, 16:43

I especially like Ghazi and Janissary.
Anyway,Vikings rule

Well,I've said post-patch only,but that just for cav,coz the infantry haven't been changed with the patch,but cav are supposed to be stronger now...

**G0THIC-Lobster** · 11-09-2002, 17:22

KATAZ. When they hit, your opponent's formation goes BOOM and you see a dead carpet of knightz...but you will se a dead carpet of kataz if you charge them head on. i recommandedd flank or rear attack, this is what they are for

**Michael the Great** · 11-09-2002, 17:57

Btw,has anyone seen in the patch version,that you can break spearmen formations with cavalry by charging them frontally?

**MonkeyMan** · 11-09-2002, 19:08

I'm yet to try jan heavies post patch, my opinion of them pre patch was that they were outmatched by even average catholic infatry, and seemed to die far too quick to really be a hardened elite.

Anyone given them a go after patching? Wouldn't mind knowing if they have improved a bit given they are supposed to be the ultimate Islamic foot unit.

**LordTed** · 11-09-2002, 19:41

Better down load patch and find out

**Dawood** · 11-09-2002, 20:24

Ghazi infrantry and vikings is the only ones i have used enough to decide over, so I'll say the Ghazi... you gotta love mad fanatics...

**Michael the Great** · 11-09-2002, 21:39

Originally Posted by [b

Quote[/b] (Dawood @ Nov. 09 2002,13:24)]you gotta love mad fanatics...

No,let me correct,maces rule1

**Cheetah** · 11-09-2002, 22:04

SP or MP? and where are FMAA and CMAA???

and the none of them option ...

**Nobunaga0611** · 11-09-2002, 22:07

Originally Posted by [b

Quote[/b] (Michael the Great @ Nov. 09 2002,10:57)]Btw,has anyone seen in the patch version,that you can break spearmen formations with cavalry by charging them frontally?

Yup, its still not easy though if you have them on hold position and formation, and they're actually a good unit. Units like Saracens, and Order Foot don't break with just a simple Cav charge. (theres always exceptions though)

**Michael the Great** · 11-09-2002, 22:49

Originally Posted by [b

Quote[/b] (Cheetah @ Nov. 09 2002,15:04)]SP or MP? and where are FMAA and CMAA???

and the none of them option ...

Ah yes,I always wanted to correct this fact,that many ppl consider-Sword units r NOT shock troops,just look at their charge...

**ShadesWolf** · 11-10-2002, 01:49

It has got to be lancers

**Cadarn** · 11-10-2002, 02:25

I've gone for the Kats for their sheer carnage value, and the tank-like feeling they portray with their slow but unstoppable charge.

BUT my favourite shock unit has to be the unlisted Varangian Guards. Fearless and utterly deadly, these boys are my top fire-fighting unit and I try and keep a couple of them behind the front line and deploy them for maximum impact as the fighting develops.

**Durendal** · 11-10-2002, 02:49

Where's the Scots? Clansman can be awsome shock units in the very early period. They are cheap, fast, and have the highest charge bonus for infantry in the game. And thanks to the patch, they'll cut through spearmen like butter. Even head on

**MonkeyMan** · 11-10-2002, 03:05

Originally Posted by [b

Quote[/b] (LordTed @ Nov. 09 2002,12:41)]Better down load patch and find out

I did i just can't be bothered to pay a full late turk campaign to find out.

**Cheetah** · 11-10-2002, 04:38

Originally Posted by [b

Quote[/b] (Michael the Great @ Nov. 09 2002,15:49)]

Originally Posted by [b

Quote[/b] (Cheetah @ Nov. 09 2002,15:04)]SP or MP? and where are FMAA and CMAA???

and the none of them option ...

Ah yes,I always wanted to correct this fact,that many ppl consider-Sword units r NOT shock troops,just look at their charge...

Hm, true their charge is not as great as the charge of many cav units, but they can kill fast amd IMHO that is what really counts.

**G0THIC-Lobster** · 11-10-2002, 07:51

Originally Posted by [b

Quote[/b] (Cadarn @ Nov. 09 2002,19:25)]I've gone for the Kats for their sheer carnage value, and the tank-like feeling they portray with their slow but unstoppable charge.

BUT my favourite shock unit has to be the unlisted Varangian Guards. Fearless and utterly deadly, these boys are my top fire-fighting unit and I try and keep a couple of them behind the front line and deploy them for maximum impact as the fighting develops.

dude i used varagian and kata pretty well....when i used em againist lancers, i charged my guards head on againist em and...btw the guards are biting them like mad of course there is till a bit casutaies but the unit size sock up da damage

and then the kata smash em from the back with a devasting boom and only 2 die( well lancers are expensive for what they can do.)

**LordKhaine** · 11-10-2002, 09:29

Can't beat Irelands best for some cost effective carnage.

**Gustav II Adolf** · 11-10-2002, 15:00

Gallowglasses rule as flankers, and they are cheep too.

**Michael the Great** · 11-10-2002, 18:35

Originally Posted by [b

Quote[/b] (Cheetah @ Nov. 09 2002,21:38)]

Originally Posted by [b

Quote[/b] (Michael the Great @ Nov. 09 2002,15:49)]

Originally Posted by [b

Quote[/b] (Cheetah @ Nov. 09 2002,15:04)]SP or MP? and where are FMAA and CMAA???

and the none of them option ...

Ah yes,I always wanted to correct this fact,that many ppl consider-Sword units r NOT shock troops,just look at their charge...

Hm, true their charge is not as great as the charge of many cav units, but they can kill fast amd IMHO that is what really counts.

They are the best hor holding out...
Remember,sword units are the best balanced in the game...

**Xer0** · 11-10-2002, 18:51

It must be the kataphorkis althoug I wish they should be faster.

**muffinman14** · 11-10-2002, 19:27

Originally Posted by [b

Quote[/b] (Michael the Great @ Nov. 09 2002,14:39)]

Originally Posted by [b

Quote[/b] (Dawood @ Nov. 09 2002,13:24)]you gotta love mad fanatics...

No,let me correct,maces rule1

Fanatics using maces.?

They use clubs to bash the brains out of the enemy

**Michael the Great** · 11-10-2002, 19:30

Originally Posted by [b

Quote[/b] (muffinman14 @ Nov. 10 2002,12:27)]

Originally Posted by [b

Quote[/b] (Michael the Great @ Nov. 09 2002,14:39)]

Originally Posted by [b

Quote[/b] (Dawood @ Nov. 09 2002,13:24)]you gotta love mad fanatics...

No,let me correct,maces rule1

Fanatics using maces.?

They use clubs to bash the brains out of the enemy

Well,aren't maces clubs with spikes on them

**Rosacrux** · 11-11-2002, 08:43

Varangian guard. They own the field. Heavy Jan infantry is gooood. I have given them only one (pre-patch) try, but they are very tough. Too bad it's kinda hard to get those buggers with weapon upgrade...

**Inferno** · 11-11-2002, 08:46

Vikings for me. They are not the best on the list, but in terms of value for money they are unmatched.

**G0THIC-Lobster** · 11-11-2002, 10:45

Originally Posted by [b

Quote[/b] (Xer0 @ Nov. 10 2002,11:51)]It must be the kataphorkis althoug I wish they should be faster.

Yah kata should be faster but if they are still that slow the patch should say they are extremely heavily armour, hey they are heavier then most cavalry

**Michael the Great** · 11-11-2002, 13:36

At the moment,kataphraktoi are leading

And I thought Lancers had a good position there...
Anyway,altough kataphraktoi are one of the heaviest cavalry,they only get 5 defence and 3 attack,btw what's with that low 3 attack?? I think even some medium infantry have 3 attack,oh and let's not forget offensive units like ghazi inf. or gallowglass....but really,for one of the most heaviest cavalry in thy game,3 attack seems kinda low....doesn't it??????

**Prodigal** · 11-11-2002, 15:30

Kata for me, I hate fighting them & love using them, I guess the low attack's offset by them being so hard to kill.

Other's, I've no doubt, have had the 1 kata left, 9 star byzant general taking on, (& killing), all comers, nightmare.

**Michael the Great** · 11-11-2002, 23:31

From my tests,seriously,Lancers are better as shock troops,and now with the patch,there's almost nothing they can't break...
Btw,spearmen do get broken now by heavy cav,even when charged frontally,right???

**Negative** · 11-12-2002, 01:50

I love my Gothic Knights They take forever to get, but when I do... Look out

Before anyone says anything I know they have a lousy charge, but when your in the thick of things and have no room for a charge they are perfect. I always use them for filling in the weak spots.

**pdoan8** · 11-13-2002, 05:41

I voted for Lancer (I'd vote for most of them if I can have more than one vote). Also, there are some units that I use as shock (In SP) but they are not on the list.

It depends on the faction I play, the money I have and the needs, I use many different units as shocker.

For cavalry: The best would be Lancer and second would be Chiv Knight. Feudal Knight is good too. However, If I don't play as Spanish or Catholic, then I would use Armenian Cav, Ghulam Cav, Khwaraz Cav, Pronoiai, Polish Retainer, Alan Mercs (maybe), and Kat (a bit slow for the job). Whatever I can get.

For infantry: the top three are Nizaris, Ghazis and Jan Heavy Inf. Follow by others such as Viking, Varangian Guard, FMAA, CMAA, AUM, Gallowglas, Abyssinian Guard. Again, whatever I can get.

For me, most of the units can become shocker if I can get them to trike at the enemy unprotected flank or rear.