Some little findings about Add-On

[Gustavus2]

Guys, I have some English problems, but I don't care since you guys
not my English teachers. 8-)

Thus I can post some little findings about the Add-On.

First, the Add-On seems buggy, such as, play some custom 3v3, jump
back to Windows Desktop during fighting.

And, some little icons within dialog got mess up too.

But not a big deal, still not sure if play multi on-line would happen
or not. No one play me, 8-), I log in the new server many times, just
me with honor 100 show on the player list. Oh, the old fine magic number
100.

Here are some about the "New" Japanese units, Mongol units will post later.

Now, Archer got more kill. Such as, I found, just kill 2x then out of ammo
b4. But now, mostly kill 4x. So the Archer lover would like this.

Then, Cav Archer not only can move fast, just stand and shoot with enemy
foot archer, then, Cav archer may got more kill. Nice, they get paid more
thus should kill more.

Gunners still shoot more longer than archers. But since add-on army don't
run away so soon, so Gunners would not so powerful.

Monks still powerful, but not as monster as b4. Now, they strong but got
more lost than b4. So, some said, Monks still strong since army not run
so soon during Gunners shooting. But, since monks got more lost now. They
may all die very soon, no one left for run away. 8-)
I think, now, we may not meet monks rusher too much.

Tell you some story .....

A guy use 15 Monks to me in a game, then, another day, he blame me take
7 monks in game.

Another guy use 4 Guns 6 Monks and 4 No-dachi and 2 YS, I take 4 Guns 2
archer, 2 Cav(YC and HC), 6 Monks as him take too, and 1 no-dachi 1 YS.
That guy lost the game, then he call me monk rusher. LOL

What a brave new world! 8-)


No-Dachi stronger than b4, so maybe some think may use No-Dachi Rush. Not
sure, still many weak point within No-Dachi. So still need more games to
find out. But if it's me, yes, I will save some koku for No-Dachi rather
than monks.

Hcav still got beat by Ycav with same honor. But the new one, Nagi Cav really
interesting. Seems this new cav unit can kill many kind of units except YS.
I am still testing Nagi Cav, but I found I love it, may use them often in game.

Sword Saint is monster, I test a game, then found why my guys can not kill just
one guy in a nice little place? So I get closer to check, it's Sword Saint!
Yes, they are interesting, but not worth that much koku! I can use 1 H2 No-Dachi
unit to kill 1 Sword Saint then just lost 18 men only. So, I don't think smart
guys will use them often. But if you are happy, may use them as your General unit
so, you are a Sword Saint! MuWaHahahahahaha ....... Miyamoto Musashi!!!

NinJa can shoot and fight by hands. A bit like very strong Archers. They hide,
move fast, shoot fast then fight fast. I love this units since they looks funny
8-). But, again, I may not use them often.

Nagi stronger, but still, hmmmmm, suck! Move slow, fight slow and die soon.
But, if you want ask me, I think you may use them more often than b4.

I test mongol army yesterday, but not get very close looks. I will test them tonight
then post some little findings here.

Ok, guys, we here got add-on a little bit sooner than you. But not a big deal.
Really!
You just think, yeah, you got add-on sooner, but China may attack Taiwan anytime,
so what?

Yeah, right! That's it!!! 8-)))


So I post any my findings here, and post what I know and what I think only.
It's truth, whole truth, and nothing but the truth. LOL

See you guys soon......


Gustavus2

[The Scourge]

Sounds pretty good so far.

Im waiting to hear how well the strategy game plays with all the small improvements.

Woe is me.I won't be able to get hold of the dam thing for at least another month or so.

[Erado San]

Gustavus,

It's too early for me to say anything about the graphic glitches or the crash.

I would appreciate it if you would post it in the tech support forum. Add your specs and be as detailed about the issues as you can.

I guess it's gonna be busy there again...

[Jaxem]

Can't wait to start playing it!

-J

[Puzz3D]

Hi Gustavus,

Thanks for this info about the gameplay. Sounds like the NEW original game is going to play quite differently than the OLD original game. Now I understand what CA/DT are doing. There is a whole new server for the new game. Since the compatibility patch for the old game seems to have disappeared, we should maintain the two forums here because the OLD and NEW are completly different games.

MizuYuuki ~~~
Clan Takiyama ~~~

[hide]

Hey~ Gustavus2(or should I say Karl?) it's me, nice to meet you here:-)
Well, I'm surprised that you actually came here and posted a topic. Heeheee...even though it's in English, but I can still recognize your writing style

[This message has been edited by hide (edited 08-08-2001).]

[TakeshidaSo]

Gustavus's last name is Adolphus, which is slightly out of use now, after WWII, and no wonder. A Taiwanese would probably not be named Karl, so the answer to your question is likely to be no. I work with a man named Karl, but since we live in Texas, which has large Germanic settlements, this is as should be expected. I speak with Gus all the time in english, and not only am I not his english teacher, I am not his english tutor either; no matter what he says. Lets be clear about that. I applaud those of you who can speak or write, even if its only barely passable, in one or more foriegn languages. I can only say that, if not for your great efforts, we would not be able to communicate at all. You may not be able to understand the nuances or the subleties, or even some of the zanier sides of this language; but you can always get by when you understand the meaning of the word 'suck'.

[Jaguar]

I don't think that the crashes will be a problem, they will probably come out with a patch for the xpack soon after its release everywhere.

[Puzz3D]

Jaguar,

LOL

MizuYuuki ~~~
Clan Takiyama ~~~

[DarthGuru]

heya Gustavus,
Did you already get your xpac?? or are these specs from the beta test?? I hope the xpac doesnt have too many glitches, but I'm sure their will be patches. Anyways can't wait to get mine, so you online

[Hosakawa Tito]

Thanks Gustav,could you give us a rundown on what the units cost?Be interesting to know what that Kensai master costs compared to the ND that you killed him with.

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Diplomacy is the art of telling someone to go to hell so that they look forward to making the trip.

[Polar]

hehe Gust, nice to see you posting here yourself

thx for the info and hope to see your mongol testing soon

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Polar the ugly

[Polar]

Tito, if I'm not wrong, a kensai unit will cost 600 koku, so is battlefield ninja.

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Polar the ugly

[LordTed]

Soon i cant wait to play it

[edRonin]

Went to EB today to see if WE was on the shelves, and it was, YAHOOOOO!!! Didn't pick it up since I ordered MI through EA and will wait for it to arrive.

One thing which I did notice though is I am going to have to upgrade my video card to play MI. Right now my card has 4 Meg of video RAM which is upgradable to 8 Meg. The System requirements for WE called for a card with 16Meg of video RAM.

So I am going to have to get a new card. Makes sense with the bigger maps and better graphics. Just want to make people with cards similar to mine aware of this before they try to install and run.

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[Hosakawa Tito]

Thanks Polar.600 seems low don't you think?HC is 600 and is a worse buy even after they supposedly tweaked some of these units for the expack.I can't wait to find out for myself.Keep it coming Gus,I won't get my copy till the 10th.

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Diplomacy is the art of telling someone to go to hell so that they look forward to making the trip.

[Polar]

Yes Tito, the japanese hcav is a bit weak, but consider the mongol hcav is also 600 koku and the nodachi that killed kensai is only 300 kokku.....


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Polar the ugly

[Gustavus2]

Thanks guys for your kindly replies. 8-)

I think I should make a short note to explain more clear about
the Add-On.

Yes, it's release one, not beta. EA Taiwan sell this game here
with English/Chinese(Taiwan) edition together. Buy one get 2
language edition. I install English edition since English patch
always come out far sooner than other languages.

And, I am pretty sure that, if there are gods, EA should send
Patch for this soon. 8-)

The Add-On seems not totally finish well, most problems happen
on Mongol part.

Such as, if you play mongol part game, there are 8 players max
, 4 for mongol, 4 for Japanese army side. Jpanese side just 1
clan, Hojo. You know, in the old one, we can pick color such as
black, white, red, cyan etc. But in this one, you don't know what
color you get unless into the battlefield. But of course, it still
have color there, and if play more, you will remember what color
you get. 8-)

Another is, in Army info dialog and battle result dialog, you got
many generals names with a funny words say "" Could not translate"
. Seems it's the programers are talking to you. LOL
Mostly they are names of Korean.

I will post my system and some detail infomation on Tech forum later
as Erado said. Thanks Erado.
But these problems never happen to me b4 with old one. So ....


Add-On seems need better hardware to run it, especially Video card.
I am using Matrox G400 Max with 32Mb SGRAM, they run very well.
The graphics within Add-On is more beautiful than old one, and maps
change too. Such as the 4th kawanakajima map, the hill on the defender
side which everyone love, now, got some little nice short trees there.

There is a Map Editor within Add-On, Tosa, Kra and other great players
who made maps and offer so much fun to us would love this. But the
Editor was embed in the game option menu, not a stand alone tool.

Now make map more easy than b4. You can edit old one or make new one.
And can pick small, mid, or large size. How large is the large size?
Not sure, we may try some 4v4 to find out at another day.

Yes, the kensai(Sword Saint) honor 2 cost 600 koku, same as Polar said.
I just test another one to make sure, this time, I use H2 No-dachi(300
Koku) kill him(600KoKu) and just lost 11 men only.


I test all units on the nice flat map, Green. And let them fight head
to head. Such as, use Hcav to charge YS, just want get the Kill/Lost
ratio.

I think, if fight in other maps and use them with skill, tactics, may
got more difference result.

Here I post the cost table of "New" Japanese units in Add-On,
all are Honor 2:

Yari Ashigaru = 100
Yari Samurai = 200
Samurai Archers = 300
Naginata = 425
No-Dachi = 300
Monks = 500
Cav Archers = 450
Heavy Cav = 600
Yari Cav = 475
* Naginata Cav = 450 (They worth it! 8-))
* Kensai(Sword Saint) = 600 (Must be a MBA and wear golden armor)
Arq = 100
Musk = 175
* Ninja = 600

If you play the mongol period, you don't get monks and gunners in Japanese
army, but you got a new units called "Ashigaru Crossbows".

* Ashigaru Crossbows = 100

* means new units in Japanese army

BTW, now you are not just can spend koku for Honor, you can spend
koku for Weapon upgrade and Armour upgrade too.


See you guys soon ......


Gustavus2

[vangersonm]

i heard that china was running PRACTICE amphibious assaults near Taiwan

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If he is taking his ease, give him no rest. If his forces are united, separate them.

Attack him where he is unprepared, appear where you are not expected.

[RyuRatta Yamamoto]

Gus, thanks for all of the info.
Did y'all notice that he tested on Green? That answers the question of map compatibility, then.
Guess no Kensai rushers will be coming out of the woodwork, either.

[Swoosh So]

Hi gus interesting stuff btw could you check your email i sent u 1


Swoosh

[HATAMOTOKILL]

thxs Gus tell us more!
Does it play well?

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Hato!!!
Knight Owltwwooo!!!

[Polar]

Thats not good enough guster!! still waiting for the mongol testing

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Polar the ugly

[DarthGuru]

when will mine arrive!?!?! I feel like a kid checking to see if a package arrived for me so often :P

[BakaGaijin]

With the Taiwanese training themselves on Mongol Invasion, the Chinese ought to think twice about their own invasion, lest they be defeated on the beaches and their fleet be smashed by a second Kamikaze!

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Disappear into the Darkness!!

[Gustavus2]

Guys,

LOL, DarthGuru!
Yes, I know your feeling. When I heard our people here talk about
can buy this game in some stores of Taipei. I take trash, my kid
went out. Dropped the trash to trash car, then, call a Taxi, run
to the store to buy it. My kid bother me in store. He want buy a
butterfly pictures sofeware for kid. I dind't buy. 8-) I seek the
Add-On and buy it. Feel like I am a kid more than my 3 years old
kid. 8-)

I read posts here, seems many US players got it already. So I should
post a little bit thinking about Mongol part, then stop writting
since US players got it, and, they have FAR FAR BETTER English
than me. LOL

Now, Mongol part .......

Mongol units not as many as Japanese units to pick. When I just
got the Add-On, need capture some screen shoot for Swoosh, so
I play a 1v1 on Totomi. 6000Koku, I pick Mongol army, then let AI
pick Japanese army. I use my normal 6000 army for AI, then try
quick pick units for my won Mongol army. I am busy to take pictures
during game. So I didn't really play it to against enemy(AI)......

Then I found,

MOGOL ARMY REALLY AWESOME!

They beat Jpanese army with kill almost 900 and just lost 350 only.

So there are at least 2 points first show in my mind after that,
1, Mongol Army strong!
2, Japanese army need a lot of fine tune to against Mongol. That
means, a lot of Custom battles, a lot of on-line friendly games,
think Units mixed again, or even think tactics again.

I am happy for this. Because that means players play the Add-On
need more skill and tactics, not just pick units then rush only.
Add-On would let games more fun, fight more longer, more tactic,
so maybe we need run around the whole map in every game. LOL

Got things to do now, next post will post Mongol part itself.


See you guys soon......


Gustavus2

[Swoosh So]

Thanks alot for all your input so far gus really helpful and the pics were great :-)


swooooooooooooooooooooshooooooooowl

[CeltiberoSkullXIII]

Quote Originally posted by TakeshidaSo:
Gustavus's last name is Adolphus, which is slightly out of use now, after WWII, and no wonder. A Taiwanese would probably not be named Karl, so the answer to your question is likely to be no. I work with a man named Karl, but since we live in Texas, which has large Germanic settlements, this is as should be expected. I speak with Gus all the time in english, and not only am I not his english teacher, I am not his english tutor either; no matter what he says. Lets be clear about that. I applaud those of you who can speak or write, even if its only barely passable, in one or more foriegn languages. I can only say that, if not for your great efforts, we would not be able to communicate at all. You may not be able to understand the nuances or the subleties, or even some of the zanier sides of this language; but you can always get by when you understand the meaning of the word 'suck'.[/QUOTE]

WELL SAYED and GUSTAVUS i wish all the luck from the world man!!!


SKULL XIII


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"It's better to let the enemy alive as to kill it ... To TORTURE it!"

[Gustavus2]

Guys,

First look, I mean just "look", I don't so like the new Mongol
units. They use the "Not So Beautiful" dark yellow for them. And,
foot units of Mongol look like the Persian army(Achemenide) who
got beat by Alexsander the Great that show on stone relievo.

However, when I take a close look and test, I found, some of them
are really a "Hard to beat" army.

Oh, yes, Mongol Heavy Cav. They shouldn't call them "Heavy Cav",
They should call them as "Iron Cav", or "M1A2"!
Mongol Heavy Cav wear Heavy armor and carry spear, but still move
fast, then, crush everything they meet. If same honor, says, 2,
They can beat any Japanese unit include YS. But of course, they
lost many while fight Japanese YS. So. seems Japanese YS and Nagi
are the best units to defend Mongol Hcav(But YS and Nagi need
higher Honor or Weapon, Armor upgrade). All Jpanese Cav can't
even stand longer while meet Mongol Hcav.

Mongol Light Cav, a bit like Cav Archers, but move very fast, and
shoot very fast, they keep hands busy, can shoot faster than Cav
Archers. Then, they can fight by hands as well, and, if fight by
hands, they can easy kill all of Japanese shooting units. If you
want shoot Mongol LCav, best choice is Crossbows. I mean just
shooting only. Crossbows seems can take more damage to Mongol LC
than CA and Archers. But, keep in mind, don't let Mongol LCav close
your Crossbows. Crossbows would not run away soon but die very soon.

Korean Skirmishers, they got shield and spear. Can shooting, I mean
drop spear to enemy in range shorter than archer, and fight by hands.
In my test, I use a H2 YS charge them, they shoot my YS 2 times b4
YS can close them. First drop, kill my 19 YS! 2nd drop, kill 1x too.
Then start fight by hands. This unit not very good while fight
by hands. When meet them, need quick rush them, otherwise, their
spears will drop to your guys, that hurt!

Korean Spearmen, they are a bit like YS, but stronger than same
honor YS and move slower than YS. They easy got beat by Nagi and
ND, better use Nagi to kill them all.

They move slow, very slow, even they are running, as slow as my
grand pa, Korean Guardsmen. They can kill YS and ND, but seems
Nagi can handle them.

Now, one of the most interesting unit is Thunder Bombers.
In my test, on Totomi, when I saw Enemy general(J Hcav), I send
my guys to stop them, then send this unit to .... hehehe ....
bomb them. BANG! enemy general die, BANG! enemy bodies evberywhere
, another BANG! enemy run away. Really fun! 8-)
Still, they move slow, and drop bomb range very very short, also
drop bomb speed is slow too. Another thing is, they are useless
while rain. But if you use them with right way, they are useful
and fun! BANG! Kill 20 men, BANG! another 20 men ...... I notice
they seems not only drop 3 times only, should be more. If it's me
, I see enemy use this to me, I will shoot them all b4 they can
get close me. Yes, they are easy got killed. But if they close you
and drop bomb, LOL, say good bye to this nice little warm world.


The funny thing is,

Mongol army seems is a combination of very fast units and very slow
units.
Thus, maybe the challenge to Mongol army is, how to keep all army
together? LOL
Or no need to keep them together? Send some here, send some there
run everywhere, fight everywhere ........

The challenge to Japanese army is, when you need face Mongol army,
how to against this army? Or, at least, not got killed so many? LOL

One thing I can sure is, we may need think more about the Units
mixed. Now, seems you can not get the victor when just use a simple
and some said "Stupid" army.


Guys, That's it. Not much, and I think, not many valuable viewpoints
here too.

There are many kind of people, and so is, many kind of style.
Some like apple, another may like orange more. So I think, the rest
need you guys to find out by yourself.

One thing I can sure is, if you like Shogun, you will love the Add-On!


My little plan from now on is,

I will be a Zen monk now, close my door, cut off my phone line, drop
my mobile phone away, then, play a lot of custom, a lot of history
battle and another part of this ADD-On. Till the Add-On show
everyehere, and everyone get it already. Then I will on-line to seek
some fun like b4.


See you guys soon ...... and take care, don't play too much, 999 games
per day seems fine enough. LOL


Gustavus2

[Takeda Shingen]

I discovered a couple of things the first one is when the harvest report comes up you don't get the voice telling you about it.Also when a messenger from another Damiyo comes to propose a treaty you don't go to the throneroom now what gives?

Michael