morale vote

**hach** · 08-23-2001, 18:52

The replies on this thread will be collated and added onto my patch thread'but for simplicity i have kept seperate.I expect mostly North Americans to reply at first and the Europeans to reply in the coming weeks.I cannot even vote yet as i have yet to play the game.Also please don't vote if under the age of 18!(just kidding)

I want a vote on the morale issue.
Please post just a single letter answer and not long saga as this can be posted in the morale threads.

Do you

(A)Prefer the old Morale of STW in it's entirety and want the new game to have the morale values of the original game.

(B)Prefer the new morale values and want the new game morale values left untouched.

(c)Want neither'but some sort of happy medium between the 2.

Hach

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**QuietWolf** · 08-23-2001, 19:00

C

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**BSM_Skkzarg** · 08-23-2001, 19:00

Sorry hach - have to do it:

D) Leave it alone as its mod-able by design.

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**hach** · 08-23-2001, 19:17

In that case BSM_Skkzarg I'll put you down as a B.

Hach

**KukriKhan** · 08-23-2001, 19:50

Not nearly as experienced as you guys, but it seems OK to me the way it is. So:

B

**monkeydan** · 08-23-2001, 20:01

B

**Murmandamus** · 08-23-2001, 20:10

Having units fight for longer allows my tactics to be played out.

B

**ishikawa2** · 08-23-2001, 20:28

"C"

(Just "dial it back a notch", but not all the way to the original.)

**Erado San** · 08-23-2001, 20:37

Same as Ishikawa. Just ease up on the new morale stats a little.

C

**Nelson** · 08-23-2001, 20:47

B

**DragonCat** · 08-23-2001, 20:55

Would have said C until I got totally routed last night by a very able player.

B is my vote.

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**Pachinko** · 08-23-2001, 21:51

I'm with you...BSM

D

**hach** · 08-23-2001, 21:58

Once again pachinko i'll put you down as B as if you READ IT CAREFULLY you'll see it means the same as your option D.

Hach

**Alastair** · 08-23-2001, 22:58

A

**VoodooChild** · 08-23-2001, 23:11

B

**Magyar Khan** · 08-23-2001, 23:13

nice to see many new names in here i would suggest this
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use an ingame option/button/toggle as we have in shogun now

1) OLD MORALE (AS IN SHOGUN)
2) NEW MORALE (AS IN WE/MI)

and perhaps

3) BETWEEN OLD AND NEW

and delete the option MORALE OFF since playing with new morale (and high koku) plays almost the same as morale off.
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i certainly hope that many online players will notice this topic, a wrong decission is easily made on this.

for what i have seen happening in the -online- games that teh effect and importancy is highly reduced with the new system and building a strong HTH-army works best. In teh old system u were able to win even if your army was not strongest. In the new system u just have to be sure u have good units according to the rock scissors papers thing.

perhaps i must eventually accept that the group of arcade gamers is bigger then the group of wargamers

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**TakeshidaSo** · 08-23-2001, 23:35

Everyone who has the right, or opportunity to vote, doesnt always understand what he's voting for. Every election allows a period of campaigning, so that the most logical policies, and most believable people are given a chance to win over the masses. A vote, without supporting reason and fair debate, is a mindless vote. Obviously, some people want to continue with the discussion, so it is too early to vote. Therefore, I abstain.

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**Shiro** · 08-24-2001, 00:22

B

**Lord Aeon** · 08-24-2001, 01:21

B

**Nelson** · 08-24-2001, 02:38

My wargaming credentials are impeccable.

The current state of MI/WE is NOT arcade.

My grognard vote remains a firm B.

Options are good things though.

**DarthGuru** · 08-24-2001, 03:55

It would be cool if they could do something as Magy stated, but if not.. I vote on C

**TakeshidaSo** · 08-24-2001, 06:15

I live in America so I well know that people who have a great democracy and free elections can still see; ballot boxes stuffed or stolen, ballots fondled or mutilated, and voters attempting to vote as many times as they can. You can see from activity here that people will vote for two candidates, or write in votes expecting you to interpret them, AND YOU WILL. Especially troubling is the premature attempt at projecting a winner, or announcing a winner before the polling places have even closed. You also have added a new twist by expecting that people who change their minds, maybe from finally thinking about it, will actually correct the vote of their initial impressions. This is all on top of a lack of any time to campaign. I continue to abstain.

Nelson, I normally would never question the credentials of anyone who didnt try to impress me with them. But since you have, I wonder how impeccable they could really be if they are all you rely upon? I havent noticed any thoughful commentary from you in support of MI's morale system, or against STW's. I dont recognize you as someone who regularly played online, although I admit that doesnt really mean you havent, or that you dont have any thoughtful commentary to offer. By the way are sure your vote hasnt been counted twice now? I'm not.

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08-24-2001, 06:20

my gawd are you insane you lot ?????
why don't you go play AOE or Starcraft then?

it's A, slightly increased perhaps but not as much as midway between before and now

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**RageFury** · 08-24-2001, 06:29

Gotta agree with Magy and Jaydee on this one...

New game is definitely one hundred percent rock papoer scissors thing...dont match unit unit and u dead...it sux..havin honour 3 nagi cav...attacked on three fronts and fighting till last man? i dont think so somehow..lol

id vote A or C not too sure yet..at the moment i dont even bother playing MI..its so damned borin with this new morale.

Now everyone has a right to an opinion but this is no longer shogun..it is another AOE clone in battle...it sux

U can argue that its mor true to samurai behavious if u like but it no longer takes any skill and weaker armies no longer beat stronger no matter wot situation is.

-Fury

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**MagyarKhans Cham** · 08-24-2001, 06:31

my Khan get the feeling that all employees of CA EA are ordered to vote in here... just look at some of those names...

perhaps my khan should order all dominions to post as well...

**A Nerd** · 08-24-2001, 06:40

I like the morale...wouldn't hange a thing...

**DarthGuru** · 08-24-2001, 07:06

Magy, either that or their are a lot of newbies that don't know the difference

**KumaRatta Yamamoto** · 08-24-2001, 09:26

"my gawd are you insane you lot ?????
why don't you go play AOE or Starcraft then?"

"my Khan get the feeling that all employees of CA EA are ordered to vote in here... just look at some of those names... "

"Magy, either that or their are a lot of newbies that don't know the difference"

A lot of not to subtle arm-twisting going on here, HEHEHEHEHEHEHE.
Silence you are EA sell-outs!
Silence you are newbies that don't know anything, you don't know what you are talking about!
If you disagree with my opinion you must be crazy (Let's send you off to a siberean re-education camp or a least go away)!

Politics are so dirty

My vote "C"

But i hope the voting booth will stay open for a while, to give a chance to our European mates to play a bit and then vote.