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    Title says it all:
    post your traits and ancillaries with desired effect. Titles , condecorations, and useful characters can be included, as many other things, from objects to land estates.

    I will update this first post with the list to keep them all visible and in the same place.

    Here are a few to get the ball rolling:

    Grande de España (spain,title): This man´s family is one of the few chosen among the chosen. The highest nobility of Spain. Their riches in some occasions surpass the king´s own, and they can wear head dress in the king´s presence.

    +2 influence, +1 management, +2 morale.

    Vilain (all, social): This man is not of noble origin, and that is known by the people around him.

    -2 influence, -1 management, -2 morale.


    Duelist (all, trait): This man´s inclination of defending his honour are seen as excessively fierce even by the standards of the most purists.

    +1 influence, -1 morale.


    Inquisitor (catholics, ancilla): (this one DOES add to unrest): An inquisitor is a man whos mission is to erradicate evil. By any means. He might be a useful man to have, but a dangerous one too.
    + 3 law, + 5 unrest.

    Monk (all except muslims, ancilla): A man of God, who spent most of his life in a monastery and now belongs to a court of a powerful man and takes care of the paperwork.

    +1 law, +2 influence.

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    EDIT: EC´s religious agents:

    Bishop - The clergy can be perceived by masses as spoilt and corrupted, but none can question their influence over those who rule.
    + 1 influence
    + 1 unrest
    + 1 law

    Archbishop - A support of that man can be valuable, but risky in these times of religious turmoil.
    + 2 influence
    + 2 unrest
    + 3 law

    Cardinal - To have a Cardinal as a friend is a blessing, sometimes a very troublesome blessing.
    + 3 influence
    + 3 unrest
    + 5 law
    + 1 management

    Jesuit Priest - Jesuits are great scholars and administrators. Their religious believes, however, provoke those of different views.
    + 1 unrest
    + 5 law
    + 1 management

    Protestant Preacher - While such men preach about damnation and the need for every man to live righteously to be worth the afterlife in Heaven, the commerce flourishes as men work more efficient inspired by faith.
    + 2 trade income
    + 1 unrest
    + 5 law

    Orthodox Bishop - Orthodox Priest is a highly respectable person, although there are sometimes some infidel who dislike those Holy Men.
    + 1 influence
    + 1 unrest
    + 5 law

    Patriarch - A man who has a Patriarch for an advisor is a powerful one, and his enemies know it.
    + 2 influence
    + 1 unrest
    + 5 law
    + 1 management

    Mullah - Scholars of Qu'ran are usually good administrators.
    + 5 law
    + 1 management

    Ulama - Islamic law will flourish when oversaw by such a remarkable man.
    + 10 law
    + 1 management

    And some other ideas for ancillaries:

    Sarmata (for Poland only)
    Polish nobles used to consider themselves as better than the nobility of other nations. While such ideas could give popularity, they were not valued by the wise.
    + 1 morale
    - 1 influence

    Zagonczyk (for Poland only-well not really but I'm not sure what would be its Russian, Turkish etc. etc. name)
    Before a battle starts, some particularly brave riders provoke the enemy soldiers to fight. Some of them become famous and boost the morale of their fellow companions.
    + 1 attack when commanding cavalry
    + 1 morale

    Tatar Prisoner (for eastern european factions but not Tatars and Turks;should be assign as 'turncoat' type ancillary)
    A reminder of a once won battle.
    + 1 influence

    Tatar Servant

    If treated properly,a captured enemy can sometime become a very loyal servant. Still, there can be some who see him firstly as an infidel.
    + 2 personal security
    + 1 unrest

    _________________________

    Inquisitor (catholics, ancilla): (this one DOES add to unrest): An inquisitor is a man whos mission is to erradicate evil. By any means. He might be a useful man to have, but a dangerous one too.
    + 3 law, + 5 unrest.

    Monk (all except muslims, ancilla): A man of God, who spent most of his life in a monastery and now belongs to a court of a powerful man and takes care of the paperwork.

    +1 law, +2 influence.



    Senator

    + 1 influence

    Interrex

    - should be available only for a faction heir who is Archbishop or higher ( I think we can make a 'trait' for clergy: no children but they go bishop-archbishop-cardinal-? in a way a trait is developed. What you think?)
    + 5 influence

    Kasztelan Krakowski

    The most important of senators, the most prestigous title in the Commonwealth.
    + 5 influence

    Royal Grand Hetman

    Grand Hetman wields power greater than even some Kings. He can collect taxes, raise troops, make treaties, a trully powerful figure. Can be at the same time: Senator, Royal Grand Chancellor or Kasztelan Krakowski.
    + 4 influence
    + 2 command
    + 15% move points

    Royal Field Hetman
    Field Hetman is under commands of Grand Hetman. Field Hetman has similar powers as his supervisor but this title is less prestigous as Field Hetmans most often didn't act on their own on a big scale. Can at the same time be: Senator, Kasztelan Krakowski or Royal Grand Chancellor.
    + 3 influence
    + 1 command
    + 15% move points

    Royal Grand Chancellor

    The first minister and advisor of His Majesty the King for the Crown of Poland. Takes care of most of domestic and foreign policy. Can also at the same time be: Senator, Royal Hetman titles.
    + 4 influence
    + 1 command
    + 2 management
    + 10 law

    Royal Grand Marshall
    An important minister and King's advisor. Can be at the same time: Senator.
    + 2 influence
    + 1 command
    + 1 management

    Royal Court Marshall

    The officer of the court. Can be at the same time: Senator.
    + 1 influence
    + 2 management

    Lithuanian Grand Hetman
    Grand Hetman wields power greater than even some Kings. He can collect taxes, raise troops, make treaties, a trully powerful figure. Can be at the same time: Senator, Lithuanian Grand Chancellor.
    + 4 influence
    + 2 command
    + 15% move points

    Lithuanian Field Hetman

    Field Hetman is under commands of Grand Hetman. Field Hetman has similar powers as his supervisor but this title is less prestigous as Field Hetmans most often didn't act on their own on a big scale. Can at the same time be: Senator, Lithuanian Grand Chancellor.
    + 3 influence
    + 1 command
    + 15% move points

    Lithuanian Grand Chancellor
    The first minister and advisor of His Majesty the King for the Grand Duchy of Lithuania. Takes care of most of domestic and foreign policy. Can also at the same time be: Senator, Lithuanian Hetman titles.
    + 4 influence
    + 1 command
    + 2 management
    + 10 law

    Lithuanian Grand Marshall
    An important minister and King's advisor. Can be at the same time: Senator.
    + 2 influence
    + 1 command
    + 1 management

    Lithuanian Court Marshall
    The officer of the court. Can be at the same time: Senator.
    + 1 influence
    + 2 management

    Crimean Tatars Titles:

    Kalgay - available only for the crown prince
    + 3 influence
    + 1 command
    + 5 law
    + 1 trade income

    Nureddin
    + 2 influence
    + 1 command
    + 5 law

    Ser Asker Sultan of Kuban

    + 2 influence
    + 2 command
    + 15% move points

    Ser Asker Sultan of Bucak
    + 2 influence
    + 2 command
    + 15% move points

    Ser Asker Sultan of Yedisan
    + 2 influence
    + 2 command
    + 15% move points

    Tyryn Bei

    + 3 influence
    + 2 command
    + 15% move points

    Aktacy Bei
    + 1 influence
    + 2 command

    Ulug Aga
    + 3 influence
    + 2 management
    + 1 command

    Effendi of Divan
    + 2 influence
    + 2 management
    + 2 trade income

    Grand Mufti of Bakhcesaray

    + 1 influence
    + 1 management
    + 10 law


    Some for-many-faction ancillaries:

    Rotamaster
    (for catholic and protestant factions only?)
    An able officer is valuable in times of war.
    + 15% move points

    Illegitimate Child

    An illegitimate child is an uncomfortable fact for this man.
    - 1 influence

    Influential Wife
    Some men are simply too weak to make decisions on their own.
    - 2 influence
    - 1 morale

    Personal Spy
    This man has an agent keeping him informed of what his enemies do.
    + 1 line of sight
    + 1 personal security
    + 1 subterfuge

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    Another thing I thought of: Maybe we could add piety as another quality.

    This is a time when religion is all important after all..
    Last edited by SwordsMaster; 03-04-2005 at 16:08.
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    Unhappy Re: Ancillaries

    Very good you started this thread.

    Some ideas to discuss...

    - Religious ancillaries:

    Bishop - The clergy can be perceived by masses as spoilt and corrupted, but none can question their influence over those who rule.
    + 1 influence
    + 1 unrest
    + 1 law

    Archbishop - A support of that man can be valuable, but risky in these times of religious turmoil.
    + 2 influence
    + 2 unrest
    + 3 law

    Cardinal - To have a Cardinal as a friend is a blessing, sometimes a very troublesome blessing.
    + 3 influence
    + 3 unrest
    + 5 law
    + 1 management

    Jesuit Priest - Jesuits are great scholars and administrators. Their religious believes, however, provoke those of different views.
    + 1 unrest
    + 5 law
    + 1 management

    Protestant Preacher - While such men preach about damnation and the need for every man to live righteously to be worth the afterlife in Heaven, the commerce flourishes as men work more efficient inspired by faith.
    + 2 trade income
    + 1 unrest
    + 5 law

    Orthodox Bishop - Orthodox Priest is a highly respectable person, although there are sometimes some infidel who dislike those Holy Men.
    + 1 influence
    + 1 unrest
    + 5 law

    Patriarch - A man who has a Patriarch for an advisor is a powerful one, and his enemies know it.
    + 2 influence
    + 1 unrest
    + 5 law
    + 1 management

    Mullah - Scholars of Qu'ran are usually good administrators.
    + 5 law
    + 1 management

    Ulama - Islamic law will flourish when oversaw by such a remarkable man.
    + 10 law
    + 1 management

    And some other ideas for ancillaries:

    Sarmata (for Poland only)
    Polish nobles used to consider themselves as better than the nobility of other nations. While such ideas could give popularity, they were not valued by the wise.
    + 1 morale
    - 1 management

    Zagonczyk (for Poland only-well not really but I'm not sure what would be its Russian, Turkish etc. etc. name)
    Before a battle starts, some particularly brave riders provoke the enemy soldiers to fight. Some of them become famous and boost the morale of their fellow companions.
    + 1 attack when commanding cavalry
    + 1 morale

    Tatar Prisoner (for eastern european factions but not Tatars and Turks;should be assign as 'turncoat' type ancillary)
    A reminder of a once won battle.
    + 1 influence

    Tatar Servant
    If treated properly,a captured enemy can sometime become a very loyal servant. Still, there can be some who see him firstly as an infidel.
    + 2 personal security
    + 1 unrest

    I think there would have to be a list of 'turncoat' ancillaries for all factions; the muslim factions should probably get 'Slaves' rather than 'Prisoners'.

    Will come back with something more later.

    Regards
    EC
    Last edited by Eastside Character; 02-06-2005 at 11:30.

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    Default Re: Ancillaries

    Don´t really like the fact that the catholics get +5unrest and the protestants +1.

    Besides, they would be among people who share their faith, so the unrest, if any, should be really tiny.

    then, the different "turncoats" shouldn´t add up to unrest at all IMHO as they only affect the man they serve and not the rest of the population.
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    So how about now?(I edited my previous post) Consider that all those unrest points are balanced with law points.
    Quote Originally Posted by SwordsMaster
    Besides, they would be among people who share their faith, so the unrest, if any, should be really tiny.
    Well, the clergy were not loved by the common people as far as I know.

    There's a misunderstanding:

    Tatar Prisoner (+ 1 influence) idea that I posted before is not a turncoat ancillary as it doesn't add to your command when attacking (in this case) Tatars. What I said is that it would have to be get in a way a 'turncoat' is get - so after a (major) victory with some particular faction. This is a prisoner (or for muslims slave) not a turncoat type ancillary.

    Tatar Servant (+ 2 personal security, + 1 unrest) This is not a turncoat either. I only meant it would be get in the same way as turncoat (look above). It's some ancillary that I thought would be nice for Eastern European non-muslim factions. It really sometimes happened that a captured Tatar prisoner became a loyal servant. But if the man he served was of some importance, the presence of an infidel servant would be in simple people's liking who often experienced Tatar raids. Tatars were feared by common people, so that's why + 1 unrest.

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    So how about now?(I edited my previous post) Consider that all those unrest points are balanced with law points.
    Much better.

    See, the thing about the clergy, is that they were feared/respected in the same way as an important nobleman was feared/respected. IMHO, to represent their importance spreading their faith, they should subtract from squalor, if possible, or from the "cultural penalty".

    Here are a couple of others:

    Inquisitor (catholics, ancilla): (this one DOES add to unrest): An inquisitor is a man whos mission is to erradicate evil. By any means. He might be a useful man to have, but a dangerous one too.
    + 3 law, + 5 unrest.

    Monk (all except muslims, ancilla): A man of God, who spent most of his life in a monastery and now belongs to a court of a powerful man and takes care of the paperwork.

    +1 law, +2 influence.
    Last edited by SwordsMaster; 02-06-2005 at 12:45.
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    Papal Emissary A papal emissary always increase prestige. +2 influence

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    Default Re: Ancillaries

    Good idea, only that shouldn't it be rather Papal Legate?

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    Opps. Yes, thanks for that!

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    Polish-Lithuanian Office Titles:
    All the titles should be available after constructing some administrative buildings. Most of the titles exclude one another. Royal and Lithuanian titles exclude one another. Grand Hetman title exclude Field Hetman and vice versa, all can be Senators, none can be Interrex, but Interrex can be a Senator. Chancellor can be Hetman at the same time.

    Senator
    + 1 influence

    Interrex
    - should be available only for a faction heir who is Archbishop or higher ( I think we can make a 'trait' for clergy: no children but they go bishop-archbishop-cardinal-? in a way a trait is developed. What you think?)
    + 5 influence

    Kasztelan Krakowski
    The most important of senators, the most prestigous title in the Commonwealth.
    + 5 influence

    Royal Grand Hetman
    Grand Hetman wields power greater than even some Kings. He can collect taxes, raise troops, make treaties, a trully powerful figure. Can be at the same time: Senator, Royal Grand Chancellor or Kasztelan Krakowski.
    + 4 influence
    + 2 command
    + 15% move points

    Royal Field Hetman
    Field Hetman is under commands of Grand Hetman. Field Hetman has similar powers as his supervisor but this title is less prestigous as Field Hetmans most often didn't act on their own on a big scale. Can at the same time be: Senator, Kasztelan Krakowski or Royal Grand Chancellor.
    + 3 influence
    + 1 command
    + 15% move points

    Royal Grand Chancellor
    The first minister and advisor of His Majesty the King for the Crown of Poland. Takes care of most of domestic and foreign policy. Can also at the same time be: Senator, Royal Hetman titles.
    + 4 influence
    + 1 command
    + 2 management
    + 10 law

    Royal Grand Marshall
    An important minister and King's advisor. Can be at the same time: Senator.
    + 2 influence
    + 1 command
    + 1 management

    Royal Court Marshall
    The officer of the court. Can be at the same time: Senator.
    + 1 influence
    + 2 management

    Lithuanian Grand Hetman
    Grand Hetman wields power greater than even some Kings. He can collect taxes, raise troops, make treaties, a trully powerful figure. Can be at the same time: Senator, Lithuanian Grand Chancellor.
    + 4 influence
    + 2 command
    + 15% move points

    Lithuanian Field Hetman
    Field Hetman is under commands of Grand Hetman. Field Hetman has similar powers as his supervisor but this title is less prestigous as Field Hetmans most often didn't act on their own on a big scale. Can at the same time be: Senator, Lithuanian Grand Chancellor.
    + 3 influence
    + 1 command
    + 15% move points

    Lithuanian Grand Chancellor
    The first minister and advisor of His Majesty the King for the Grand Duchy of Lithuania. Takes care of most of domestic and foreign policy. Can also at the same time be: Senator, Lithuanian Hetman titles.
    + 4 influence
    + 1 command
    + 2 management
    + 10 law

    Lithuanian Grand Marshall
    An important minister and King's advisor. Can be at the same time: Senator.
    + 2 influence
    + 1 command
    + 1 management

    Lithuanian Court Marshall
    The officer of the court. Can be at the same time: Senator.
    + 1 influence
    + 2 management

    Crimean Tatars Titles:

    Kalgay - available only for the crown prince
    + 3 influence
    + 1 command
    + 5 law
    + 1 trade income

    Nureddin
    + 2 influence
    + 1 command
    + 5 law

    Ser Asker Sultan of Kuban
    + 2 influence
    + 2 command
    + 15% move points

    Ser Asker Sultan of Bucak
    + 2 influence
    + 2 command
    + 15% move points

    Ser Asker Sultan of Yedisan
    + 2 influence
    + 2 command
    + 15% move points

    Tyryn Bei
    + 3 influence
    + 2 command
    + 15% move points

    Aktacy Bei
    + 1 influence
    + 2 command

    Ulug Aga
    + 3 influence
    + 2 management
    + 1 command

    Effendi of Divan
    + 2 influence
    + 2 management
    + 2 trade income

    Grand Mufti of Bakhcesaray
    + 1 influence
    + 1 management
    + 10 law


    Some for-many-faction ancillaries:

    Rotamaster (for catholic and protestant factions only?)
    An able officer is valuable in times of war.
    + 15% move points

    Illegitimate Child
    An illegitimate child is an uncomfortable fact for this man.
    - 1 influence

    Influential Wife
    Some men are simply too weak to make decisions on their own.
    - 2 influence
    - 1 morale

    Personal Spy
    This man has an agent keeping him informed of what his enemies do.
    + 1 line of sight
    + 1 personal security
    + 1 subterfuge

    And a question:
    - Should office titles be in english or would you say in respective national languages?


    Regards
    EC
    Last edited by Eastside Character; 02-20-2005 at 17:39.

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    Default Re: Ancillaries

    another one here:

    Pedant : This man always reveals his knowledge in the most inappropriate moments: +2 management, -1 influence.
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    Default Re: Ancillaries

    I think I'll rename this thread to Ancillaries - Traits - Titles, as we will eventually have to change also characters traits, at least some of them. I hope you're fine with it SwordsMaster?

    Trait: Fear Of Open Spaces; Unussual malfunction of this man's mind makes it very difficult for him to command an army in the field. - 6 command

    This would have to be a trait gained only when comming of age, pretty rare, but real trait.

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    Default Re: Ancillaries

    ... which brings me to another trait:

    Claustrophobia : this man fears closed spaces which makes him a very poor defender when besieged: -3 command when besieged.




    Yeah, sure rename as you see necessary.
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