How to host shogun MP Games.

[Shambles]

Yeah every time the game conects to a server I.e my fake server.
It uses a random port.

it will use 1 after another till it finds a working 1.

I.e
I try to connect to fake server.
Shogun uses port 1221
Connection fails.
So i try again,
Shogun will now try port 1222.
If it fails and i try again
shogun will use
1223
And so on untill connection works,

this is nothing to do with actualy hosting games though,
thats just the Game connecting to a server,
Routers dont seem to mind this at all, and let you conect to the server ok.

Its just that when you host a game.
Your router says to the server.
"IM HOSTING A GAME HERE & MY IP ADRESS IS (222.333.444)"
Thats not a big problem
apart from the fact that The Pc Hosting the game has an ip of 123.456.789

So the router shoule be saying

"IM HOSTING A GAME HERE & MY IP ADRESS IS (222.333.444) BUT SEND THE INFO ON TO IP (123.456.789)"

any ports should be added aswell.

I.e

Your router is ip 123.456.789
and shogun uses port
123


Your pc's real ip adress is 222.333.444

You need to tell your router to.

Forward Data receved on 123.456.789:123
to
Your pc's ip adress and port number. 222.333.444:123

[Drisos]

R'as, my routers IP is 10.0.0.138 right? I should include that as outside IP.

But I still don't know my computers IP? (inside IP)

I should open ports 8793 18321 both udp and tcp

[R'as al Ghul]

From the screenshot it looks like the local IP
is 10.0.0.1
Sorry that it took me awhile.
drisos, you won't have any luck with those two ports.
There're more needed. Until we know fo sure I'd suggest
you don't do anything.

Shambles,
there isn't a single new thing in your post
that you hadn't already posted.
Please take no offense but you do know
what the problem is, do you?

I don't care what random port is used to
connect to fakeserver.
The only thing that matters is the port being
used when hosting, and that seems to be random, too.

[Shambles]

No matter how many times i host a game, And i can host games,
It uses the same port.

and thats
18321

I never tried playing on LAN,
Which is not the same as internet play any way and there for does not need port forwarding as you use local adresses to connect to the games,

But when playing Online. No matter HOW many times you host a game,
Shogun uses port 18321

Its just a matter of port forwarding,
Something that must be done to Most multy-player games if you want to host them,

I Know What i say is the same as Ive always said,
And the reason for that is,
Its the same question asked.

ports that are changing, are probably your shouguns connection to fake server,
if you can connect to fakeserver This is redundant and you can ignore shoguns systematic changes of ports,

but to HOST games, Shogun uses Port "18321"
It always uses that port,
Check this your self

Start shogun.
Enter mp foyer
host game
And proceed to faction select window,

Now go look at what port shogun is Listening for data on.
Its going to be
port 18321.

The problem is one that Many people haft to resolve,
Its a matter of telling your router to forward the data from the router to the pc,

The port that people need to see is 18321.
That port allows people to see the hosted game,
Its all the info i can give you really,


port 8793 is how shogun finds fakeserver,
It then connects using difrent ports.

Port 18321 is the port you host on.


And look here,
http://www.whatismyip.com/
Thats you Ip adress.

BTW
Have a look.

[R'as al Ghul]

Start shogun.
Enter mp foyer
host game
And proceed to faction select window,

Now go look at what port shogun is Listening for data on.
Its going to be
port 18321.

Nope, nothing happens.
BTW, I've forwarded 18321 as have others and we still can't host.
What's your explanantion for this?
We haven't configured properly?

I still think you don't understand....

[R'as al Ghul]

This is my firewall when I host a game on your fakeserver.
The only connection is a random port to your 8793.
The same as when I simply log in.

[R'as al Ghul]

When hosting on LAN:



Opinions?

[R'as al Ghul]

And finally when I'm hosting on my own fakeserver.
Isn't it peculiar that only when I'm hosting on LAN
the port 18321 is used?

[Shambles]

Nope, nothing happens.
BTW, I've forwarded 18321 as have others and we still can't host.
What's your explanantion for this?
We haven't configured properly?

I still think you don't understand....

I dont think You understand,
And thats why you cant host games.

[Drisos]

Shambles,
there isn't a single new thing in your post
that you hadn't already posted.
you don't know
what the problem is, do you?

Nope, nothing happens.
BTW, I've forwarded 18321 as have others and we still can't host.
What's your explanantion for this?
We haven't configured properly?

I still think you don't understand....

I dont think You understand,
And thats why you cant host games.

No more of this please. We cannot afford fights in the small stw mp community.

I say: Ignore eachother about this point. R'as, start your own thread and don't post in this one anymore. Shambles, keep posting in this one and don't do so in the thread R'as will post. You two both post your own way of hosting games in stw mp and let the players decide which way they'll choose.

Remember that there are no winners in fights, only losers.

Hope the both of you fix it.

[R'as al Ghul]

I dont think You understand,
And thats why you cant host games.

Fair enough. You return my insult. Okay
I provoked that and I'm not really mad because of it
but that the echo of my insult is the only thing
I hear from you is a bit disappointing.

You haven't adressed the problem at hand a single time.
Sure you've told us to open the ports 8793 and 18321.
But you fail to acknowledge that people still can't host
although they have opened the ports.
There's no use in telling me that I shall open the ports
when I've told you that they are already open.

And believe me I do understand. I can host MTW games.
I can host other games, filesharing works, I can seed with bittorrent,etc.
I do understand my firewall and my router perfectly.

My problem is that my game doesn't open a port when
I host online. It does open the port when I host on LAN though.
(Btw, ports are also used in LAN, contrary to what you've said above)
This is something that you probably can't solve but ignoring
my questions all the time and telling me I don't understand
instead of telling me that you don't know the answer is an insult.

[Shambles]

The game does use ports when in Lan And thats not what i said,
I said you use a local adress when playing on lan, So router wont affect it,

If the game does not attempt to open a port when you begin hosting games, that implies That its not the routers fault, and your game is not functioning properly,

Id love to tell you whats wrong with your game, But I dont suffer this problem,
So i cant really work on fixing it,

Some where along the line something is either blocking shogun from opening aditional ports. I.e Fire wall.
Windows fire wall Could be causing problems for some,

The most logical explanation Is,
fire wall settings are incorrect,
And not allowing shogun to open that port,
If the router forwards the port to the right Ip adress.
Then fire wall settings should be tested,

Personaly id find some 1 to come help me see if hosted games work without fire wall runing,
then systematicaly disable programs 1 by 1 untill i can host,

There could simply be an error some where in your game,
However i dont think that is the case.

I really think it could be a firewall problem, if the routers are fine, then it can only be a fire wall problem,

[R'as al Ghul]

If the game does not attempt to open a port when you begin hosting games, that implies That its not the routers fault, and your game is not functioning properly,

Ahh, now you're talking business. That's exactly what I've thought.

Id love to tell you whats wrong with your game, But I dont suffer this problem,
So i cant really work on fixing it,

I understand that perfectly. Nevertheless I appreciate that you took
the time to look into it.
I take it we have reestablished peace now?
I apologize for getting .... impatient and slightly mad.

Some where along the line something is either blocking shogun from opening aditional ports. I.e Fire wall.
Windows fire wall Could be causing problems for some,

It's really a dilemma.
I've XP firewall disabled.
Sygate firewall allows Shogun everything but I keep it running to monitor the connections. I had turned it off once to test with drisos.
Directplay test of Directx returned positive.
I've Upnp enabled.
My router forwards the posts - 100% positive here.

As Shambles said, it looks like my Shogun.exe is not working properly
because it doesn't listen to the host port 18321 when on WAN (only when on LAN).
I really would like to see the firewall-logs of others who can't host,
just to know if their games at least open the port.

[Shambles]

Your shogun exe seems to be called shogunM.exe
and mine is called shogunW.exe

is this becous you have shogun MI and not WE?
The problem could be a MI problem i suppose,
I know that the origional shogun cant host games on Fakeserve,
But then again the origional shogun cant See games either.

I dont know what i can do to try and fix this problem, as i dont actualy own mongol invasion.
but i will see what I can find out,

[Drisos]

Hello guys,

turns out my ip is 84.84.240.28

I can't open a port range like shambles can either.

What to do with the 'default server ip'? I don't know what it is and don't understand the online info about it either. should I use my comp ip, my router ip, or a standard ip adress? (in that case, which?)

Here's the screen:



*****

I entered my comp ip as outside adress and router ip as inside adress. Is that correct? It wouldn't work when I tried the opposite.

Here are my settings:



You see that it's different then the first time I forwarded. The ip adresses see m to be ok as the tcp says 'listen' now and I guess it works then. upd still says 'none' but that might be ok coz upd is used to let others see the game and then my comp does nothing with them so it says 'none'.

Hope it'll work now. Shambles, you want to check for me tomorrow in the afternoon? And R'as, I'd be glad to try for you too.

[Kraellin]

hi guys,

i've never used fakesrvr, but if it's a true server, then ALL the rules of servers apply just like they would on gamespy, or the EA servers or the Activision servers. generally, and this is very general, if you cant host but can connect to others, then you've got a firewall up somewhere that isnt allowing others to originate to you, or, your router is blocking on the necessary ports. that's the simplicity of it. USUALLY, it's a firewall, especially if you can connect to others.

if you cant connect to others or host, then it's a firewall/router OR a version mismatch.

for specific help on opening ports and firewalls, check the gamespy article on their web pages on this AND your firewall and router manuals/documentation.

one simple thing to try is to simply turn the firewall off and try again. this is ok if you have a router up also. it already has a firewall built into it. dont try this method if you dont also have a router.

you can likewise disable the router with the dmz internal toggle as long as your outgoing line is on the dmz line out physical port (usually #4 or #1 on the back of the router). use the internal interface of the router to turn this off and on.

K.

[R'as al Ghul]

Your shogun exe seems to be called shogunM.exe
and mine is called shogunW.exe

is this becous you have shogun MI and not WE?
The problem could be a MI problem i suppose,
I know that the origional shogun cant host games on Fakeserve,
But then again the origional shogun cant See games either.

I dont know what i can do to try and fix this problem, as i dont actualy own mongol invasion.
but i will see what I can find out,

Hi Shambles,

I think I pm'ed this already but for those who follow this discussion:
I've tried three .exe files. Vanilla, Mongol-Invasion & Warrior Edition.
All of them do the same for me, that is they don't listen to 18321
when I host.

[Drisos]

I've tried three .exe files. Vanilla, Mongol-Invasion & Warrior Edition.All of them do the same for me, that is they don't listen to 18321
when I host.

I do follow this discussion.

Can you find out what they do listen to when you host?

'Warrior Edition'? You mean WE? I thought that was 'Warlord Edition'. Is this just a little mistake or do you mean STW original? What is STW vanilla? WE or original?

sorry for inconviniece

*****

People who I saw being able to host:

...
Shambles
Trish
GodOfWar
47RoninToga
47RoninMethos
AggonyDuck
Shin-GaiJin
PaolinoPaperino
MizuJochiKhan
...

I haven't seen some players in the foyer yet, so there will be more.

*****

47Ronin Drisos

[R'as al Ghul]

Hi drisos,

if you use a website like whatsmyip.com it will return
the IP adress of your router, given to you by your
provider for the time of log-in. If your router is always
connected to the internet, this means you get a new one
every 24 hours. And you don't really need to know that one.

It looks as if your router has the IP 10.0.0.100
To check if this is correct, enter the IP into
the address bar of Firefox and hit return.
If the interface of your router shows up
then that's your router's ip.

The IP of your machine is a different one.
It could be that it's 10.0.0.138 as in your screeny.
Then your settings wouldn't be correct.
With the command winipconfig in dos (you're running Win98 right)
you can see your machine's IP. (We had this somewhere above)

R'as

Hello guys,

turns out my ip is 84.84.240.28

I can't open a port range like shambles can either.

What to do with the 'default server ip'? I don't know what it is and don't understand the online info about it either. should I use my comp ip, my router ip, or a standard ip adress? (in that case, which?)

Ientered my comp ip as outside adress and router ip as inside adress. Is that correct? It wouldn't work when I tried the opposite.

You see that it's different then the first time I forwarded. The ip adresses see m to be ok as the tcp says 'listen' now and I guess it works then. upd still says 'none' but that might be ok coz upd is used to let others see the game and then my comp does nothing with them so it says 'none'.

Hope it'll work now. Shambles, you want to check for me tomorrow in the afternoon? And R'as, I'd be glad to try for you too.

[R'as al Ghul]

I do follow this discussion.

Can you find out what they do listen to when you host?

They don't listen. That's the problem.
If they would listen my game should be visible.

'Warrior Edition'? You mean WE? I thought that was 'Warlord Edition'. Is this just a little mistake or do you mean STW original? What is STW vanilla? WE or original?

sorry for inconviniece

Vanilla: Shogun.exe, this one came with the original Shogun game. When
you've Mongol Invasion installed and fir up your game by using the original
Shogun.exe it works exactly as when you use the MI file.

WE: Warlord Edition

People who I saw being able to host:
...
Shambles
Trish
GodOfWar
47RoninToga
47RoninMethos
AggonyDuck
Shin-GaiJin
PaolinoPaperino
MizuJochiKhan

47Ronin Drisos

If any of you read this please post your configuration.
Router? USB or Network Card? Firewall?
Tell us everything....

[R'as al Ghul]

Hi Kraellin,

thanks for stopping by.
Well, I've already tested hosting without my firewall but
it didn't work. I've it running now to monitor the connections.
Shogun has all access rights though.

My best guess, after toying with the EAsy program that came with the game,
is that because Shogun is a Win95/Win98 program it doesn't recognize my
USB-connected router. Easy says it can't find any Network-adapters.
Changing this back to my Network-Card might have an effect.
It is quite cumbersome to do but i'll try this as a last resort.

So, I've two more tests to do. Don't hold your breath though....
I'm not optimistic.

R'as

hi guys,

i've never used fakesrvr, but if it's a true server, then ALL the rules of servers apply just like they would on gamespy, or the EA servers or the Activision servers. generally, and this is very general, if you cant host but can connect to others, then you've got a firewall up somewhere that isnt allowing others to originate to you, or, your router is blocking on the necessary ports. that's the simplicity of it. USUALLY, it's a firewall, especially if you can connect to others.

if you cant connect to others or host, then it's a firewall/router OR a version mismatch.

[...]

K.

[Drisos]

I think I now know my router and PC ip for sure.

Some info coming up via PM.

[Drisos]

Personaly id find some 1 to come help me see if hosted games work without fire wall runing,
then systematicaly disable programs 1 by 1 untill i can host

sorry for late reply - I am all yours. Please pm me when you want to do such thing.

Anyone knows something about the 'logging in' problem. I mean the fact that much people need to try 4-7 times before they log in. and some people can't log in at all... I figured that might have something to do with port 8793, as the fakeserver uses it.. but then I don't get why it does work the 7th time...

anyone can explain this? what is wrong and how it should be solved?

[Drisos]

I ran into this accidentally.. it's about hosting with router:

http://p223.ezboard.com/fshoguntotal...icID=282.topic

[R'as al Ghul]

I'll look into it.
Seems like it is about Rome, though.

You can of course always try to forward the ports
mentioned on the first page.

[Drisos]

I'll look into it.
Seems like it is about Rome, though.

You can of course always try to forward the ports
mentioned on the first page.

I checked it only briefly... sorry if it is not of any help. I thought it would be good info about port forwarding... we know which ports... only something else is going on...

[Just A Girl]

iVE JUST HAD A THOUGHT.

You guys are trying to Host Freindly games right?
Cos You cant host competative games on fake server.....

[Drisos]

no competitive games for me... It's really my router blocking the games...

[x-dANGEr]

Just out of curiosity, how can you know what ports is a game using? I do have a Windows firewall (XP) along with a router. All I do is get dazzled till I know what are the ports needed then I forward them. But how can you know what ports are needed anyway?

[Just A Girl]

I use keriop personal fore wall.
Whenever i connect to shogun i go and check what port is used.
These ports change.

When i host a game i go check which posts shogun is now using.
It always uses The same port when you host.

Thats how i know to forward that port.