I was looking at an article about Post Traumatic Stress on the BBC and this was one of the byline pictures. It is a scene of two kids immediately after their parents had been shot by soldiers.
What does this do to you?
Thanks for the poll SC
How much do pictures like this effect you?
I was looking at an article about Post Traumatic Stress on the BBC and this was one of the byline pictures. It is a scene of two kids immediately after their parents had been shot by soldiers.
What does this do to you?
Thanks for the poll SC
Last edited by Idaho; 08-15-2005 at 13:10.
"The republicans will draft your kids, poison the air and water, take away your social security and burn down black churches if elected." Gawain of Orkney
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Poll added (I took the liberty to also include a "GAH!" option)
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To be honest it does have a little bit of an impact and does make me think a bit.
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Voted has no particular effect, although it's not hugely an accurate description.
My feelings are this one has no particular effect, because I have seen others just as bad. That does not mean I don't care, I do, and if I could change it I would, but my efforts are focused on other things equally as horrific.
Sort of I wish I could solve all the worlds ills, but I can't, so I'll just concentrate on one of them.
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I would already have opinions regarding such an issue. I don't need photographs, deliberately doctored to create an emotive response in order for me to feel one way or the other about what they represent. It's just the typical sensationalist media try to milk a tear or two in order to sell a few more papers or get a slightly higher rating.
Cowardice is to run from the fear;
Bravery is not to never feel the fear.
Bravery is to be terrified as hell;
But to hold the line anyway.
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Also - all in the name of science - can you say whether you have kids. My theory being that people with kids (or possibly younger syblings) themselves will feel more than those without.
"The republicans will draft your kids, poison the air and water, take away your social security and burn down black churches if elected." Gawain of Orkney
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I have no kids (im 20) and my younger brother is 16.
While I agree that pictures like these, are probably shot in order to promote a cause (be it better selling papers, or others) they are still valid, and present a situation. If I disregard that the media is trying to tingle with me emotions etc, I still get moved by such a photo.
edit; I voted the last option (not the gah)
Last edited by Sjakihata; 08-15-2005 at 14:05.
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I find that picture very disturbing.
It almost brings tears to my eyes.
No kids.
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That pretty much sums up what I am feeling now; voted Has an impact - find quite upsetting thinking about those kids.Originally Posted by Louis IV the Fat
I've noticed that I am much more liable to be upset by things like this, and for example stories about the emergency services and what they did in the recent London bombings, since my son was born.
I need a hug...
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No kids - it's still outrageous though, it's just I get outraged about other things equally as deserving - the world still sucks for most though.
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"Has no particular effect. Just another photo."
I see photos like that all the time, after a while it does turn into just another photo, tragicly.
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I have kids that age, so being touched in my case is a no-brainer. The pic makes me angry, not sad, but that is based uniquely on the by-line. If the by-line would state that the kids had just been rescued by the soldiers my reaction would be totally different. So much for the eloquence of pictures.
The bloody trouble is we are only alive when we’re half dead trying to get a paragraph right. - Paul Scott
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I have kids that age, so being touched in my case is a no-brainer. The pic makes me angry, not sad, but that is based uniquely on the by-line. If the by-line would state that the kids had just been rescued by the soldiers my reaction would be totally different. So much for the eloquence of pictures.
Have to somewhat agree with Adrian on this. (And I have Kids).
The by-line shows why the photo was taken.
THe photo makes me feel sorry for the children - but it doesn't tell me the reasons behind why the event happened - only the after effects of the event.
O well, seems like 'some' people decide to ruin a perfectly valid threat. Nice going guys... doc bean
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I am glad the soldiers are restraining them....there have been women and children with bombs strapped to them in iraq. As long as they are not actually hurting the people and just have them restrained I am ok with it.
They are not threatening her or the kid they dont have guns pointed at them...she is probably crying because they took the husband away?
Last edited by scooter_the_shooter; 08-15-2005 at 15:02.
Formerly ceasar010
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The world sux... Not very surprising or upsetting. Just sad.....
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Maybe the guns are not loaded......
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The phot effect but the byline does. It doesnt say why the or how the parents were shot however. Its not as bad as a pictire of say dea kids or say them actually looking at their dead parents, that would be upsetting. Nothing comes close to witnessing this in reality however. Its one of the reasons being a soldier is a shit job sometimes.
Fighting for Truth , Justice and the American way
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Pictures and descriptions like this never troubled me, but the ones that put a critical slant against soldiers who were only doing their job used to (and still do) make me sick. While on service once, The Guardian published a very critical and heart-string pulling article about British soldiers behavior near where we were stationed. Stuff like that really upsets soldiers. I think my mother's comment was "why don't the paper's just shoot the soldiers for them."Its one of the reasons being a soldier is a shit job sometimes.
Cowardice is to run from the fear;
Bravery is not to never feel the fear.
Bravery is to be terrified as hell;
But to hold the line anyway.
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I doubt they are going to do a raid with unloaded gunsMaybe the guns are not loaded......
Formerly ceasar010
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Gah. Since each photo is different, each photo affects me differently.
The world is a harsh place, hardest on the littlest.
ichi
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CoH
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gah!
i have a kid about the age of the kids in the photo. these photos and stories always spark the paternal/protector bit/instinct inside me, and get me upset. i guess it's cause it's really easy to imagine the crying or dying children in the photos/stories as being me own.
so it is a connection on a very human level, at least for me... children are children and don't get the reasons why. so images like these make me feel for them. funny how kids can transcend national/political boundries or ideologies.
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No image has ever effected me except when reading Alaster cooks book on America showing an image of a 1930's lynch mob hanging a young black lad. It is a haunting image which stayed in my mine for years.
The image above doesn't really effect me. I feel for the boy but thats about it.
Last edited by The Blind King of Bohemia; 08-15-2005 at 16:35.
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It has an impact, but it doesn't make me real mad, if only because I've seen many other similar things. To think of my little brothers orphaned like that...
And isn't that woman dying? Aren't those red spots bullet holes?
"But if you should fall you fall alone,
If you should stand then who's to guide you?
If I knew the way I would take you home."
Grateful Dead, "Ripple"
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LOL steppe Our soldiers use a 223(or a 5.56 they are the same ting) with a full metal jacket.....that is not going to leave holes near that big...those are part of the dress
She is probably crying because the soldiers to daddy the insurgent awayI dont feel sorry at all.
Formerly ceasar010
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Steppe do you really think our soldiers would shoot a civilian that many times? there may have been a few war crimes but our soldiers are not monsters.
Formerly ceasar010
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Not taken away caesar, shot. There is a difference.
"Put 'em in blue coats, put 'em in red coats, the bastards will run all the same!"
"The English are a strange people....They came here in the morning, looked at the wall, walked over it, killed the garrison and returned to breakfast. What can withstand them?"
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Pictures like these wake up my native "Defender Spirit" an make me angry.
There is no way around at least a small emotion, exept you are dead or ill. It is a matter of simple Psychology.
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Sad but that is the way it goes. The war is just and these sensationalist pictures are not going to change my mind. Where's all the pictures of dead nazi's children? Same thing as insurgent's children.
Just because the insurgents have children isn't going to stop me from smokin 'em. They should be happy we didn't bomb the whole house like we did in the old days. But that is what we get for avoiding civilian casualties. The middle finger and old F*U*.
"Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds." -Einstein
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How do you know they shot him....you need to see a documentary called gunner palace....a reporter follows the soldiers in on 3 raids(in baghdad) They usually do this (its all real it is not no movie)
bust in
the women/children cry
some times they find some rpgs and ak47s
they take the man in for questioning
If he is innocent they let him go
If not then they keep him.
Very rarely are any shots fired.
Formerly ceasar010
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Oh. Ok, so that's part of the dress.
But the whole point is that they shot him, not that they took him.
"But if you should fall you fall alone,
If you should stand then who's to guide you?
If I knew the way I would take you home."
Grateful Dead, "Ripple"
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