Alliance - BTW with AOVAF:TW

[edyzmedieval]

Indeed, as Legio said, we have reached an agreement.

Long last both mods, Byzantium Total War and Age of Vikings and Fanatics: Total War!!!

As for the exchange, we are open for discussions.
When will the Magyar and Khazar models and skins be finished?!

Thanks!
Edyzmedieval
Byzantium TW Mod Leader

[Rodion Romanovich]

Hm, the exact dates aren't known at the moment. In fact we haven't even started with those yet. skeletor and ScionTheWorm wanted to skin Khazars and Magyars, respectively. If they don't do it soon, our third skinner, QuickDagger, might want to do it. In any case, if you have an official release date for B:TW, then I'll try to make the team let go of what they do atm to do magyars and khazars instead, so that the cooperation doesn't result in any problems for either of the parts, i.e., so that your release date will have to be pushed forward because we didn't do our part. How is the progress of B:TW at the moment?

[edyzmedieval]

Oh, ok. No problem.

The progress
=========
Historical research: about 35%
Camapign map: 10%(I'm just testing a pre-map for RTW)
Units: about 5%
New factions: 0%
Scripting: 0%
Testing: 0%
Multiplayer: 0%

Important note: When you finish the mod, do a special thanks and write blindfaithnogod and edyzmedieval. Especially blindfaith.

[Rodion Romanovich]

Important note: When you finish the mod, do a special thanks and write blindfaithnogod and edyzmedieval. Especially blindfaith.

Sure, and you should of course write a special thanks to AOVAF and the skinners on the AOVAF team that made the magyar and khazar skins. Who those skinners are isn't decided yet.

[edyzmedieval]

No problem.

[Rodion Romanovich]

Here are the units I think we can use from B:TW in AOVAF:
- Akolouthoi 1 ------------ Varangian Guards Infantry (Axe)
- Tagmatic Klibanophoroi ------- Heavy Guards Cavalry (Lance / Mace)
- Thematic Kataphraktoi 1------ Heavy Provincial Cavalry (Lance / Sword)
- Skoutatoi ------------ Heavy Provincial Infantry (Pike / Sword)
- Psiloi Toxotai ------------ Unarmored Archers (Bow / Hand Axe)
- Trapezitae ------------ Light Provincial Cavalry (Javelin / Sword)
- Hippeis Toxotai 1 ------------- Native Horse Archer Cavalry (Bow / Sword)

(AOVAF have named some of them slightly differently, so whoever looks at the AOVAF tech tree for byzantines might not know exactly which units I'm referring to.)

Edyz could you make a similar list from our tech trees to see which of our magyar and khazar units you'll be able to use? I'll make a list of bulgar units we can use once you've made your list of bulgar units and we've also made our Bulgar tech tree (for us it's also still under construction).

[edyzmedieval]

Sorry I responded so late!!!! I didn't observe it!!!

From the list, we made the following:

Skoutatoi
Psiloi Toxotai(we have the same names)

The Varangians, we have 2 versions. Round shaped shield(early unit) or a kite shaped shield(late unit).

Ok, I'll do that stuff.
For the Bulgars, no work started yet. But I'll tell the guys to start on.

[Agraes]

Just wondering if we can do the same between Arthurian TW and AOVAF.
Legio I told you about it few months ago. ScionTheWorm told me that he was pretty ok under some conditions.
Today we got skins and models, all made by blindfaith , of Britons warriors of the V-VIth century, including AoR units.

We can cooperate on the following factions :
- Gaelic/Irish factions plus some Picts
- Brythonic/Welsh factions
- Saxons factions
eventually some Frankish, thought yours are Carolingian/Capetians Franks and ours Merovingians

It will be trully a great thing for us, thinking about that 2 main members of our team are also involved with AOVAF : Ranika and Blindfaithnogod

[Rodion Romanovich]

@Agraes: Have you completed your army lists/tech tree lists so it's possible to see which units can be exchanged? Would make things easier to start from making a list of possible exchanges. Then, as I said before, I consider it up to the individual skinners/modellers on the team to choose if they want to share a skin/model. Too unique touches we can't share, but well-known historical units whose appearance is known can be be shared.

[edyzmedieval]

How many models has blindfaith done for you Agraes?!

[Agraes]

@Legio : most of our unit list is complete so far, with descriptions
Britons units list : http://s10.invisionfree.com/Imperium...?showtopic=261

Pictish units list :
http://s10.invisionfree.com/Imperium...?showtopic=264

Anglo-saxon units list :
http://s10.invisionfree.com/Imperium...?showtopic=266

Frankish units list :
http://s10.invisionfree.com/Imperium...?showtopic=265

Gaelic units list :
http://s10.invisionfree.com/Imperium...?showtopic=263

Ranika gave to our mods the same list of gaelic units, with few exceptions.

@Edzymedieval :
Mmmm... so far : 11 models

[edyzmedieval]

The Tech Tree, as you requested. :)
For the Byzantines.

Byzantium

Military Tech Tree

Militia
Police - phylakes(urban militia)
Imperial Police - Evzones guardsmen, +10% law

Archery
Bowyer – Psiloi, Pezoi Toxotai(after 1328)
Archery Range - Psiloi toxotai
Bowyer’s Workshop - Peltastoi
Master Bowyer - Peltastoi Enoplioi
Huge Archery Range -Mourtatoi

Barracks
Spearmaker - Skoutatoi, Epirote Greek Infantry(AoR in Epirhus)
Swordsmith - Kontaratoi
Swordsmith's guild - Paramonai,
Master swordsmith – Menevlatoi
Imperial Swordsmith – Dismounted Kataphraktoi

Stables
Stables - Trapezeountae
Cavalry stables - Latinikon Tagmata(will disappear after 1204), Hippeis Toxotai
Military Stables – Stratiotai, Kataphraktoi
Elite cavalry stables – Athanatoi, Klibanophoroi, Pronoia Allagia(after 1204)
Imperial Cavalry Stables – Tagmata Klibanophoroi, Tagmata Kataphraktoi


Imperial Palace – Imperial Varangian Guards(huge city)

Civil Buildings

Buildings Tech Tree

Religion
Basilica (+5 happiness, town),
Church (+10 happiness, +1 morale, +5% Christianity, large town)
Large Church(+15 happiness,+1 morale,+10% Christianity, minor city)
Cathedral (+40 happiness, +2 morale, +10% law, requires city)
Hagia Sophia (+50 happiness,+4 morale,+30% Christianity, +3 experience,huge city, AoB Constantinople)

Arenas
Arena (allows races, +5% happiness),
Hippodrome (allows races, +10% happiness),
The Great Hippodrome(AoB Constantinople, +20% happiness, huge city)

Farming
Forest clearing(+1 farming)
Basic Farms (+2 farming)
Farms(+3 farming)
Crop rotation (+4 farming),
Irrigation (+5 farming)

Health
Sewers (+5% health bonus),
Herbal medicine (+10% health bonus)
Aqueduct(+20% health bonus)
Underground tanks(+25% health bonus, AoB Constantinople)

Roads
Paths
Roads(+5% trade)
Paved roads(+10% trade)
Highways(+15% trade)

Trade
Trader (+10% trade),
Market (+20% trade),
Large Market(+25% trade),
Forum(+30% trade)
Great Forum(+60% trade, +20% happiness, AoB Constantinople)

Ports
Port (lvl 1 ships),
Shipyard (lvl 2 ships),
Dockyard (lvl 3 ships)
Huge Dockyard(lvl3 ships, +200 denarii, +15% trade, AoB Constantinople)

Blacksmith
Blacksmith (+1 to all weapons)
Master blacksmith (+3 to all weapons)
Armorer (+1 to all armor)
Master armorer (+3 to all armor)

Mines
Copper mine (+100 denarii)),
Underground copper mine (+400 denarii),
Silver mine(+200 denarii)
Underground silver mine(+500 denarii)
Gold mine (+300 denarii)
Underground gold mine (+800 denarii)

Academies
Academy
University
University of Constantinople(AoB Constantinople)

-Walls up to level 5

[Rodion Romanovich]

@edyz: cool!

@agaes: I posted a reply but it seems to have disappeared... Anyway, I'll have a closer look at those in a few days.

[edyzmedieval]

Thanks.

The Khazar and Bulgar unit list are also made.
Also, I spotted some mistakes in your tech trees.
I'll post some info.

[edyzmedieval]

I understanded you need help with the Bulgars.
What help do you need?!
We have 3 Bulgars helping us, so just tell me.

Here is the Khazar and Bulgar tech tree.

Khazar

Militia
Town watch (town watch),
Town militia (urban militia),

Archery Range
Bowyer - Slav bowmen
Archery Range - Alan bowmen , Khazarian archers
Bowyer’s Workshop - Steppe archers

Spearmaker
Spearmaker - Slav spearmen
Spearmaker's workshop - Khazar spearmen
Master Spearmaker - Khorasan Iranian Guard (heavily armoured spearmen, very powerful and expensive)

Barracks

Barracks – Steppe Warriors(bow+sword, no armour)
Army Barracks – Khazar Swordsmen(sword and shield, medium armour)

Swordsmith - +1 experience
Master Swordsmith - +2 experience

Stables
Horse farmer - Alan light cavalry
Stables - Alan horse archers – very good horse archers, lightly armoured; Bactrian Camels
Cavalry stables - Arsiyah cavalry; Steppe Heavy Cavalry
Royal cavalry stables - Khazar Royal Cavalry

Horse Breeder – +1 experience
Master Horse Breeder - +2 experience

Bulgar Tsarate

Town Militia – Urban Militia

Archery
Bowyer - slav bowmen, slav javelinmen
Archery Range - bulgar archers
Bowyer’s Workshop - slingers +1 xp, archers +1 xp
Master bowyer - Bulgarian Elite Archers


Spearmaker
Spearmaker - Slav spearmen
Spearmaker's workshop - Bulgar spearmen,
Spearmaker's guild – Chimnnik(heavy infantry)

Stables
Stables - Bulgar horse archers(zera)
Cavalry stables – Bulgar Light Cavalry
Elite Cavalry Stables - Bulgarian boyars(only for Christianity)
Royal Cavalry Stables – Bulgarian Bagatur Cavalry; Bagatur Horse Archers

Horse Breeder - +1 experience
Master Horse Breeder - +2 experience

Swordsmith
Swordsmith – Slav Swordsmen; Chigot swordsmen(light infantry)
Swordsmith’s Workshop – Bulgar Swordsmen
Master Swordsmith – Bulgar Pagan Infantry(fanatics), +1 xp for Slav and Bulgar Swordsmen

Barracks - +1 experience(for Swordsmith and Spearmaker)
Army Barracks - +2 experience

Need any help, don't hesitate to ask.

[blindfaithnogod]

i just wanted to say i have no problem sharing any of my work. just figure out what you need and consider it done.

[edyzmedieval]

Legio,

Here's what we need for the Khazars and Magyars.

Khazar

-Khazar Archers
-Bactrian Camels
-Arisyah Cavalry
-Khazar Guard Swordsmen
-Khazar Guard Spearmen

Magyar

-koplenyek
-kabarok
-besenyok
-koplyasok

This is for now.
What do you need for the Bulgars?

Also, can we exchange some Kiev units?!We need those.

[Rodion Romanovich]

For bulgars we can use:
- Town Militia, Urban Militia (but those are generic ones so we might be making our own)
- slav bowmen = our bowmen
- slav javelinmen
- bulgar archers

- slav spearmen = our slavic militia spearmen
- bulgar spearmen = our slavic spearmen
- chimnnik

- Zera
- Bulgarian boyars
- Bulgarian Bagatur Cavalry

- Chigot swordsmen

We could exchange Rus units, but our tech tree isn't entirely finished yet. Depending on how much units we recieve and you recieve, we can share work on those Rus units that can be shared in a way so that we give as many units as we take, to make it fair . So, which Rus units can you use?

[edyzmedieval]

Hey Legio.
We could use the following units for Kiev:

-Steppe Cavalry
-Druzhina Cavalry(Rus Druzhina)
-Varangian axemen(we want these because it's different from what we have...)

As for the Bulgars, thanks for informing me.
I'll talk to the team about this.

[edyzmedieval]

Legio,

Some restrictions. We won't be doing:

-Akoulothoi
-Thematic Kataphraktoi
-Tagmathic Klibanophoroi(I want this unit to be unique for us...)

We need some uniqueness, though.
Hope you aren't mad at me...

[Rodion Romanovich]

No, not at all. But if it's a unit based on very exact historical descriptions, you can expect ours to be very similar anyway... If not, then I understand your rationale behind it, otherwise I'll just have to accept it . The cooperation must be acceptable for both parts, after all. It looks at the moment like you'll contribute to more than we will contribute with, so it seems sensible that AoVaF creates all of the Rus units you wanted to make the exchange fair. But we'll see exactly how it turns out when we present the final lists.

[edyzmedieval]

Good leader

The Thematic and Tagmatic cavalry, are basically normal cavalry units, with a little more attack and armour.

So, do a Kataphraktoi, edit the stats and you have a Thematic Kataphraktoi.

Sure, I'm working on the final lists now.