New unit profile - Graal Knight

[phred]

enjoy!

http://www.totalwar.com/community/graal.htm

[Taurus]

Definatly the best unit yet, imo.

I especially like the helmet face mask.

[rebelscum]

Is BI a fantasy game>?

[Ianofsmeg16]

I think I'm going to faint....

[scorillo]

Yeah....this unit stinks too...Especially the mask...looks like a pussycat face LOL

[Orda Khan]

Don't like the unit? Simple answer..Don't buy the game.

......Orda

[The_Doctor]

I am scared and confused.

I have never heard of them before.

Where they real?

[rebelscum]

I wonder if the makers of the King Arthur film will do them for plagurism
Oh btw if you haven't seen it, then watch it, its a right rollicking fantasy romp based on a supposed Sarmatian knight around the 4th centry B.C who supposedly sparked the King Arthur legend, supposedly.
You will probably find that 'Lego' (tm) castles has more basis in fact than this unit. Have I mentoned supposedly.

Hehe, I feel like posting my 2nd fave monty python sketch in honour of the GRAAAL knight ... Ni .. Ni ... (see my city gates post for my Fave monty python sketch)

Knights of Ni: Ni! Ni! Ni! Ni! Ni! Ni!
Arthur: Who are you?
Knight of Ni: We are the Knights who say..... "Ni"!
Arthur: (horrified) No! Not the Knights who say "Ni"!
Knight of Ni: The same.
Other Knight of Ni: Who are we?
Knight of Ni: We are the keepers of the sacred words: Ni, Ping, and Nee-womm!
Other Knight of Ni: Nee-womm!
Arthur: (to Bedevere) Those who hear them seldom live to tell the tale!
Knight of Ni: The knights who say "Ni" demand..... a sacrifice!
Arthur: Knights of Ni, we are but simple travelers who seek the enchanter who
lives beyond these woods.
Knights of Ni: Ni! Ni! Ni! Ni! Ni! Ni! Ni! Ni! Ni!
Bedevere: No! Noooo! Aaaugh! No!
Knight of Ni: We shall say "Ni" to you... if you do not appease us.
Arthur: Well what is it you want?
Knight of Ni: We want.....

(pregnant pause)

A SHRUBBERY!!!!

(minor music)

Arthur: A WHAT?
Knights of Ni: Ni! Ni!! Ni! Ni!
Arthur; No! No! Please, please, no more! We will find you a shrubbery.
Knight of Ni: You must return here with a shrubbery... or else you will never
pass through this wood... alive.
Arthur: O Knights of Ni, you are just and fair, and we will return with a
shrubbery.
Knight of Ni: One that looks nice.
Arthur: Of course!
Knight of Ni: And not too expensive.
Arthur; Yes!
Knight of Ni: Noowwwww.... GO!

(music)

Arthur: O Knights of Ni. We have brought you your shrubbery. May we go now?
Knight of Ni: Yes, it is a good shrubbery. I like the laurels particularly.
But there is one small problem....
Arthur: What is that?
Knight of Ni: We are now no longer the Knights Who Say "Ni"!
Other Knights of Ni: Ni! Shh! Shh!
Knight of Ni: We are now the Knights who say "Ekky-ekky-ekky-ekky-z'Bang, zoom-Boing, z'nourrrwringmm".
Other Knight of Ni: Ni!
Knight of Ni: Therefore, we must give you a test.
Arthur: What is this test, O Knights of.....
Knights who 'til recently said "Ni"?
Knight of Ni: Firstly, you must find....
ANOTHER SHRUBBERY!!!

(minor music)

Arthur: Oh not another shrubbery!!
Knight of Ni: (excitedly) THEN... Then, when you have found the shrubbery,
you must place it here, beside this shrubbery, only slightly
higher, so we get the two-level effect with a little path
running down the middle.
Other Knights of Ni: A path! A path! A path! Shh, shhh. Ni! Ni!
Knight of Ni: Then, when you have found the shrubbery, you must cut down the
mightiest tree in the forest...
Wiiiiiithh.... A HERRING!

[TB666]

They look awesome, can't wait to see them in action.

[antisocialmunky]

Yeah....this unit stinks too...Especially the mask...looks like a pussycat face LOL

It's better than the battle priest.

[Afro Thunder]

Err... what exactly is wrong with this unit?

[ScionTheWorm]

I can't understand why they intentionally make so weird units... after seeing what amateur skinners can do it's not really impressive.

the mask reminds me of Morrowwind... the guards in that city with a lot of channels

Don't like the unit? Simple answer..Don't buy the game.

......Orda

You really don't like people not 100% satisfied with the units now do you?

[Colovion]

People want to believe they can "Play with units from the feature film King Arthur" because that's recognizable to the masses.

It's the gameplay that's the most important, but if history could be displayed truthfully people might be surprised at how interesting it is. I wish some company would actually realize that people will enjoy history which isn't dressed up like a whore.

[rebelscum]

As someone once said, history is written by the victor. Nobody won nothing with that unit . If they sell games under the cloak of historical accuracy are they allowed to do this? Why not just release it under the title 'fantasy total war' and get it over with. Look at the guys at total realism and what they have done with the game.

[lars573]

As someone once said, history is written by the victor. Nobody won nothing with that unit . If they sell games under the cloak of historical accuracy are they allowed to do this? Why not just release it under the title 'fantasy total war' and get it over with. Look at the guys at total realism and what they have done with the game.

Yeah and makes me sick at how much of a piece of crap they turned RTW into with their travesty of a mod.

Graal knights, nice made up unit. But we are talking about the Romano-Britsh here. Any unit that you give them you could debate until the end of time and still not have a clear idea of how they fought or what they looked like. Wait that makes no sense, that's the codine talking (bad headache). I mean the opinion on the military that the Romano-Britons used vary wildly.

[King of Atlantis]

Man, that unit is beautiful. To bad its not historical, but hey its moddable..

[lars573]

True it's not that historical but it does fit into the design ethic that CA seems to have made for the Romano-Britons. That is that all there units are either the same as the western empires (archers, Sarmation auxilia, commentines) or inspired by (Monks for priests coastal levies for limetines). Graal knights seem to fit into the inspired by category. They appear to be the super heavy elite cavalry like the scholrae palantina.

[NodachiSam]

I think it looks cool. ~Given~ I don't know about the historical part of this. War masks don't seem that much of a stretch. I know the japanese samurai had masks, they add some face protection and aided in the psychological aspect of fighting.

rebelscum: Ah good old Lego...

The monty python quote is unexpected but welcome

[edyzmedieval]

Excellent graphics. I like it.

I started to ignore how historical BI is. If it's moddable, then little do I care.

It is fictional, but it's good.

[ScionTheWorm]

I started to ignore how historical BI is. If it's moddable, then little do I care.

Yeah. Just so weird that they choose to be wrong. But since they're choosing it, I think it's a commercial aspect into it, which I can't really debate. If it was 100% historical correct and everything was great, our mods wouldn't be of much use either.

Look at the guys at total realism and what they have done with the game.

I noticed Tyr was removed from the credits in the intro movie at 6.1
It's a great mod, but I find the unit models a little too vanilla, thinking about what they could achieve with their resources

[edyzmedieval]

Yeah. Just so weird that they choose to be wrong. But since they're choosing it, I think it's a commercial aspect into it, which I can't really debate. If it was 100% historical correct and everything was great, our mods wouldn't be of much use either.

Yeah. True. Maybe that's why they are doing fictional stuff. Anyways, it's a good addition to the game.

[KSEG]

Seriously, what exactly is wrong with this unit?
For me it looks like some people is just trying to bitch about CA, no mater what the subject is.
And how the hell do you know what is 100% accurate?
We will never know what is 100% accurate.
No one knows how the ancient soldiers looked like except from some writing, some abstract sculptures, and some archaeological research.

[TB666]

Seriously, what exactly is wrong with this unit?
For me it looks like some people is just trying to bitch about CA, no mater what the subject is.
And how the hell do you know what is 100% accurate?
We will never know what is 100% accurate.
No one knows how the ancient soldiers looked like except from some writing, some abstract sculptures, and some archaeological research.

Very true I'm afraid.
This unit could very well have existed when you read the description.
Gotta remember that written sources from this era are few and pretty weak as well(of course it is better then the dark age where there are almost no written sources)

[ScionTheWorm]

I respect CA, they're doing a hell of a job. But it's just so typical and ca-cliche . Don't take it personal though, this is a long awaited expantion pack, and everything in it is just not everybodys cup of tea.

[edyzmedieval]

CA is indeed doing an excellent job. I admire every member of the team that contributes to the expansion pack.

And I'm buying it(BI), no matter what.

[antisocialmunky]

You guys might as well be optimistic... It's not exactly productive to yell and scream, CA's not likely to change it. Might as well treat it as a strategic assest that keeps the Romano Brits from sucking from lack of heavy cavalry.

[rebelscum]

Seriously, what exactly is wrong with this unit?
For me it looks like some people is just trying to bitch about CA, no mater what the subject is.
And how the hell do you know what is 100% accurate?
We will never know what is 100% accurate.
No one knows how the ancient soldiers looked like except from some writing, some abstract sculptures, and some archaeological research.

Ok just wait until you are faced by a stack of them, mixed in with vanilla barbarians and then we will hear the screams of 'no way'. Its a bit like having a World War II setting and suddenly you get faced by an F-15. Your spitfire doesn't seem so great then. The so called 'dark ages' were not really that dark. There is a lot of literature detailing what military units exsted at the time. I'm not putting CA down for the game,but they sure can afford to research this properly. I just wish they would look to things like total realism for inspiration rather than make things up.

[rebelscum]

You guys might as well be optimistic... It's not exactly productive to yell and scream, CA's not likely to change it. Might as well treat it as a strategic assest that keeps the Romano Brits from sucking from lack of heavy cavalry.

Yes the Romano-Brits did suck, that's why the Anglo-Saxons, the Irish, the Picts all the other warlike tribes invaded and made our islands what they are. If they had units like this, Britain would be very different. Even in the King Arthur film there were 6 of these guys, not stacks of 1000+.

[TB666]

Even in the King Arthur film there were 6 of these guys, not stacks of 1000+.

Those were Sarmatians, not Romano-british.

[lars573]

Ok just wait until you are faced by a stack of them, mixed in with vanilla barbarians and then we will hear the screams of 'no way'. Its a bit like having a World War II setting and suddenly you get faced by an F-15. Your spitfire doesn't seem so great then. The so called 'dark ages' were not really that dark. There is a lot of literature detailing what military units exsted at the time. I'm not putting CA down for the game,but they sure can afford to research this properly. I just wish they would look to things like total realism for inspiration rather than make things up.

And I think you'll find that CA's historical research puts EB's (or any well meaning TW players for that matter) to great shame. See CA has never said what kind of historical texts/knowledgable persons they draw upon to make there units for the TW games.