Logging into the foyer under Windows XP

[Drisos]

I got a new computer a little more then a week ago, and it runs on windows XP. I have installed shogun on it, and copied my old internet.cfg file into the main folder. (I sent it to my email before I shut down the old computer.)
I have configured my firewall to allow any contact with internet from shogun, and have windows firewall disabled. As you know, I'm behind a router. If you think that could anyhow make a problem, I have a solution to that - 8 metres of usb cable. We would only need to figure out how to establish connection when I plug it directly into the modem.

Your guesses are right, I cannot log in anymore. I have tried 'the enter trick' mentioned by gaijin, but I tried lots of times and I didn't get in once. The configuration is correct, because I always get past the connecting screen. I get stuck at 'logging in ...'.

For me, it is not an option to buy an old Windows98 computer, and I lost the old one. I will have to play shogun on this, or I can't play shogun. (for at least 1,5 years... )

Gaijin, the trick about the 'choice' program you mentioned, is that really something which would solve this for me? Seen the other active non-sticky thread here it seems that program is just to make bat-files work, but I don't see a connection with the logging in problem. 47Ronin Ishida tried this trick but it didn't help. I just installed choice as well, but shambles server is down atm so I can't try now.

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The only 'recently mentioned' solution to this problem seems to install shogun on a fat32 drive. But I don't have several partitions. I would need cristal clear info about what happens when I do create partitions, and how I do so. Also what happens when I change into fat32, and how to do so.

Any other suggestions are more then welcome, as I am getting very pissed that you guys are playing and I must sit here and wait.. gah! I want to get back!

[R'as al Ghul]

Hi Drisos,

so the problem occurs when you plug that 8m cable in?
Because WinXP can't be the problem. I can always connect
(but still can't host through my router).
Iirc 8m is way too long. There's a restriction to the length and
to keep the current and data transfer stable an usb-hub is needed.
My guess is that you want to use the router as modem, hence the usb cable. Right? What happens when you try to reach Internet with your browser?
I'm quite confident that this is solvable.

[Just A Girl]

Il explain all the fat 32 stuff to you AFTER you go through other processes ok drisos?

I have a lot of disk space and as such I can have 2 fat32 hdd,
And 5 NTFS drives.
not many are this lucky.
Prehaps some could only make 1 small fat32 drive,
then there c drive would be to small for updates and stuff.

Like i said il explain all that after you try other things If i need 2.

But there is Definatly a log on problem associated with windows xp.

P.S
whats this thing about choice.com?
has it been sudgested that XP is missing some crucial files?
Libaryfiles.exe has all the old files xp needs.

Although that is not logical. As if there is a missing file. You would Always fail to log in,
Where as i some times used to log in and sometimes i did not,
Even though i did not have the file (choice.com)

Id like more detail on the choice.com thing if you know any...

[Drisos]

so the problem occurs when you plug that 8m cable in?
Because WinXP can't be the problem. I can always connect
(but still can't host through my router).

No no! ehmm. I fail to log in behind my router. I bought that cable a while ago and hoped to be able to host using that. but I never managed to establish connection using it. my old computer didn't recognize my modem as a modem and I didn't know how and where to find a driver to make the connection work when bypassing router. I haven't yet tried on the new one.

Iirc 8m is way too long. There's a restriction to the length and
to keep the current and data transfer stable an usb-hub is needed.
My guess is that you want to use the router as modem, hence the usb cable. Right? What happens when you try to reach Internet with your browser?
I'm quite confident that this is solvable.

I can try to make it 4 metres, but then I will probably have to remove my router from the wall and my tower towards it. I have two cables of 4 metres. perhaps I should but another one, like 2 metres? I should be able to make it with 6 metres. hmm. is that too long? I don't know if it helps, but it's all usb2. perhaps that transfers stuff better? *** When I opened my browser it said can't find the web page. (google.com) however that was on my old computer, I will try plugging it into my new one and see if it works then.

I don't know how, but it really seems to have something to do with xp.. I mean, not that much has changed.. only xp. some people with xp don't have the problems. But all the ones who do, do have xp.

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P.S
whats this thing about choice.com?
has it been sudgested that XP is missing some crucial files?
Libaryfiles.exe has all the old files xp needs.

Although that is not logical. As if there is a missing file. You would Always fail to log in,
Where as i some times used to log in and sometimes i did not,
Even though i did not have the file (choice.com)

Id like more detail on the choice.com thing if you know any...

You can ask gaijin about it.. he suggested it to me. It's some windows patch that should make you able to run batfiles, which isn't possible on XP normally, while it is on 98.

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gets back... just tried logging on about 20 times. no succes. 'logging on...'
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however, it doesn't make sense to me that the batfiles would make me log into the foyer.. and it isn't helping. I installed the program and tried, but no succes. for 47Ronin Ishida it didn't work either. he's getting some parts for his old comp in oder to log back in again.

problem is, there's only few things to try, and I have tried them all but two now. bypassing the router. (a 0% chance it will help me log in, but miracles might exist) or, getting partitions and turning one into fat32. don't worry about disk space. I have plenty. (200GB) we only need about 10 in total here

[Shin-GaiJin]

Im not too sure here Drisos and Mr Shambles might like to confirm this but is your router hardware firewall blocking you?I can and have configured mine as a DMZ connection-dropping the hardware firewall and using the software firewall(norton) only.
Also...and this PROBABLY wont work but youre desperate right!Right click on the Shogun exe on your desktop and choose properties,you can then change compatability mode to win 98...just a thought

let us know how you get on

ShinGaiJin

[Drisos]

Ok I will try the properties thing. a tiny perphaps, but perhaps it will work.

ehmm.. can you tell me how to change router into 'DMZ connection'? or does that depend on which router I have? (thomson speedtouch 120g)

I was just going to try, but it appears nothing happens when I rightclick on the shogun item in the taskbar. when I do so on a internet explorer one I get the little menu, but with shogun I see nothing.

[R'as al Ghul]

drisos,

Do you use the same setup to post here
that you use when you try connecting to the lobby?

[Drisos]

If I understand you correctly, yes.

[R'as al Ghul]

If I understand you correctly, yes.

That's good. In a way.
So your network setup seems to work. You can connect to the Internet.
The only thing not working is Shoggy.
Did you forward the nessecary ports in your router?
Iirc 18321 and 8793 have to be forwarded at least to connect.
Try UDP and TCP protocol.
We went through this some months ago.
I trust that you do remember?

[Just A Girl]

Were back at this problem again....
Those ports are for hosting games.
well 18321 is any way.

The other port is the fakeserver port.
So its best to allow that as well.

But The ports used to connect to fake server Constantly change.
1 port diferent for every connection you or some 1 els makes.

if i was the 1st to connect to the server. using port
1446 for example.
the next person will connect using port:
1447.
and the next
1448
Then if i reloged on
id use 1449 Not the origional 1446 i connected on.
So theres No way I can tell people which port they use to connect on.
The game keeps using a diferent 1.

It could be windows fire wall blocking your connection or atleast the requierd ports,

Prehaps the ports stw used in windows 98. have since been conciderd to be unsafe, And XP fire wall disables them.
And thats why its so random as to when people can actualy log on.

I.e

the first 2 times you try to connect The ports your using xp deems unsafe so you fail to connect.
3rd time, xp has no problem with that port so you are able to log in,
(I dont use xp fire wall so cant veryfy that. Instead i totaly disabled it and use kerio personal fire wall Which is Easy to configure, And dosent mess stuff up like norton fire wall.)
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Its also possible that the router is a problem but Its a very low possibilaty.
As its the Game thats sending Data to the internet and the reply will come straight back to the game when you connect,
And as no 1 els is sending data to your Ip adress theres no need to forward ports Unless your trying to host,

This can also be verifyed by the fact that other users can connect to the server when there behind a router with no needed configuration,
but they do need to configure it for hosting games,
"but as shin-gaijin says There is a small possibilaty that the hardware firewall is hindering you" (your router could also concider some ports to be unsafe.)

I have now mooved the fakesrever to a fat 32 drive,
"Something i probably should have done sooner,"
(how ever sat here now watching the foyer, I see drisos still cant log in)
Some 1 els seemd to log in 1st try no problems though but seemd to leave instantly.
(wont mention names incase there dont wish to be disclosed)

It really is an xp problem
But what Exactly the problem is we can only speculate about.
However I really do log in 1st time now i have a fat32 hdd.
2nd time occasionaly,

so that implies its something to do with either the

file system.
Compression,
or indexing.

Also theres the possibilaty that xp says some ports are unsafe.

I have by passed All of these possibilatys,
So i cant say that Any 1 single thing fixed the problem,
Neither can i say that All of them must be bypassed for it to work.

What exactly the problem xp hast with stw is has yet to be discoverd, but i think were narrowing it down.

[R'as al Ghul]

Did you forward the nessecary ports in your router?
Iirc 18321 and 8793 have to be forwarded at least to connect.
Try UDP and TCP protocol.

Screw that.
To connect to the lobby it is not necessary to forward any port.
If you want to host that's another issue.
I just tested connecting and it works for me.

- Sygate Firewall is set to allow Shogun.
- Windows Firewall is disabled.
- The only port forwarding in my router is TCP 80 (standard).
- My copy of Shogun lives on a Fat32 partition.
- Compatibility mode is set to Win98.
- I did at one time install choice.com into my system32 folder.
- Bat files do work on my machine.
- I can participate in games but can't host.

Perhaps other users could provide a similar list to narrow the problem down?

[Drisos]

Good idea! please post such lists, guys!

I don't need to install a driver on this copmuter for my modem.. I get connection when I plug in the cables, so I will be able to host when I can fix this problem.

I tried logging in, but no succes. My router is not the problem. I will try to check if windows firewall is really off, and if shutting off norton helps any. But I think it's something else. Hopefully I can catch gaijin or shambles at msn to work out the choice thing.

[AggonyDuck]

I can log in first try and I'll attempt to make a similar list and that would be me logging in on the fake server.

-Windows Firewall set to enabled shogun and also enabled several different ports for all sort of games
- Got a lot of ports forwarded for the router, including those needed to host in Shogun.
- My copy of Shogun lives on a NTFS partition.
- Haven't bothered with compatibility modes
- choice.com is installed
- Bat files do work on my machine.
- I can host games alright, the game runs otherwise excellently too
- My OS is XP

[Drisos]

I did some tests again:

- Windows Firewall disabled
- Norton Firewall disabled (only 5 mins don't worry)
- Not behind a router, connection trough usb cable in my modem
- The 'ShogunW.exe' file's Compatibility mode is set to win98/winME
- OS: Windows XP Home Edition
- Shogun is installed on a NTFS drive
- I have installed choice. I have no batfiles to try it on.

Hmmm can anyone mail me a batfile? doesn't matter what, for instance just the shogun server picking file. then I can try it and see if choice is working, if not I will reinstall.

I have tried logging in for several times, with and without entering a cd-key, ticking the box about existing internet connection and using the enter trick various times.

There two more options it seems - get it on a fat32 drive (but it works on ntfs for duck) or reinstall choice.

[Just A Girl]

did you put choice in system32 folder?
Id like to see if that works.
And if your on msn il mail send u the stats swaper

Edit.

You can actualy make your own bat file..
If you :

make a new text document.
open it.

Then
type the word :
Pause

so thats the only text in the file,

Then go to file at the top left corner
say save as...

You will see 3 boxes you can type in.

File name:
Save As type
And
Encoding:

In the File name feild (should be the 1st text feild)Enter
Batfile.bat
now change the Save as type feild(Should be the second text feild)
to "All files"

and hit save

you will have made a bat file.
and if it stays open when you run it.
choice.com is installed ok

[Drisos]

You mean a notepad file?

I guess yes, as it is working. It has the batfile-icon now and when I open it it was clear to be a batfile, it remained open for about 8 seconds til I closed it.

... this means choice is installed correctly as well.. running out of options.

it hardly can have anything to do with the other things that changed when my computer changed. - I mean, the graphix card is ok for shogun as it works perfectly with sp etc
it's not a firewall or router, I have choice, compatibility mode is set to 98.. what now?

[Just A Girl]

you can try turning off indexing and compression.

To do that.

you can go find your c: drive
Right click it
Select properties

You will see a pie chart of your disk space

At the bottom of this window ar 2 check boxes un tick them. so they are empty.

You can turn them back on later if you chose to.

[Drisos]

Done that. I failed to get in about 25 times

But firewall was on and I was behind a router. There is of course a chance there are two causes for this and I should try using all methods at the same time...

[Just A Girl]

well i dont want to tell you how to format your drive to a fat32 Yet.
If others can log on using ntfs maby they know why,

Try restarting 1st incase not all the things youve tried have been implimented properly yet.

[Drisos]

it's kinda weird, when I have no router no firewalls same hard drive as duck installed that program same os.. in short all the same, it doesn't work for me... what can it be?

perhaps you guys can make such lists but with more details, other things that don't seem to have anything to do with shogun mp. (remember shogun didn't start because of a webcam with methos.. perhaps there's something like that blocking me from mp... in that case I would have to ask others who can't login and see what we have in common and disable it.)

I have another idea, I can install shogun original and see if I can get into the fakeserver with that. that would make sure it has nothing to do with the game itself or it's settings.

[Drisos]

well I restarted and checked for the configuration to be the same, but I still can't log in. (10 attempts this time)

[R'as al Ghul]

Hello.

Drisos, do you have any other games or applications that do connect
with the Internet? I think there are some Microsoft Multiplayer Games
that come with XP. You could try to connect to a Multiplayer Server
with those. See if they work or return any messages.....
It's strange indeed but I'm sure and confident that there's
an impossible simple solution to this.

[Drisos]

Drisos, do you have any other games or applications that do connect with the Internet? I think there are some Microsoft Multiplayer Games that come with XP. You could try to connect to a Multiplayer Server with those. See if they work or return any messages.....
It's strange indeed but I'm sure and confident that there's
an impossible simple solution to this.

You mean little thing like cardgames, somewhere under desk accesoires? I will go and check one of them out, because I don't have anything but stw installed now.

I had one little game of hearts, and I was able to chat with other players, so XP doesn't have trouble with that.

[R'as al Ghul]

I had one little game of hearts, and I was able to chat with other players, so XP doesn't have trouble with that.

Okay. This is good news.
I'm not quite sure what to learn from that....
I'll keep thinking about it.

[Just A Girl]

Drisos has internet connectivaty to the server...
it just dosent log his name in.

[Drisos]

hey guys, don't make me do the thinking because I will ruin my computer..

Hmm. I thaught it might had something to do with shogun installation type. (full, minimal etc) Because people with XP mostly have more GB's so can more easy do full install so it would look like it's because of XP. But, on my old comp I had the same install type and I could log in.. so it can't be. But as some people with XP log in, it can't be the problem... but I think it must be something new, which appeared after winXP appeared and so is never used together with win98. it can be anything new, drivers for graphics cards, webcams, mics, printers, other software programs, anything. We would have to create software lists to see what I have and others don't.

All known solutions I have tried now, but nothing has worked. I can only try the Fat32 thing, or I wil have to go look for help elsewhere.. perhaps even professional help.

[Tomisama]

Well I gave it a shot.

Dusted off Shogun. Loaded it on my XP. Upgraded to 1.12 and loaded the 1.16 Community Map Pack. Ran Shambles TW and picked Shambles server. A few tries later, I was logged in.

The only problems I encountered besides the login tries were an intermittent buzzing audio (rarely), and intermittent flashing background screen (the red one). Everything else worked fine.

I’m writing this just to let you know “it can be done”. I think that you probably have some kind of corruption on your program disk is all. See if you can find another copy of the game. I still see them on store shelves from time to time, for about ten bucks.

Good Luck

Edit:

Read this again this morning, and realized that my suggestion is probably not the answer for your problem (just trying to help).

In re-reading your posts, one thing bothered me.

and copied my old internet.cfg file into the main folder

That’s not how I got there, though it may work.

Have you run the Shambles TW program, and made your server selection with that yet?

[R'as al Ghul]

All known solutions I have tried now, but nothing has worked. I can only try the Fat32 thing, or I wil have to go look for help elsewhere.. perhaps even professional help.

This is completely insane. How can it be that some of us can join while others can not? And don't get me started about hosting.

Shambles, mate, you know anything about Microsoft's "Remote Access" tool?
You could try to get on drisos machine (with his permission) and see
if you can fix it?
I haven't tried this procedure before but in my work environment the admins use it quite effectively.



Edit:

In re-reading your posts, one thing bothered me.
Quote:
and copied my old internet.cfg file into the main folder
That’s not how I got there, though it may work.
Have you run the Shambles TW program, and made your server selection with that yet?

I'd give that a shot, too but the internet.cfg contains only text.
You should see it at a glance if it's ok or not.

[Just A Girl]

Yes i am fully capable of accesing pc's In a multitude of diferent ways,

the remote acces tool would not be my 1st choice usualy,
But it is probably the safest way,
As invites sent from remote access will expire. So the cannot be used by other people at a later date.

I can easily acces his pc given permission.
Hopwever this does not mean that i can fix it.
Although.
i could have a quick look and see if anything Is out of place,

[R'as al Ghul]

I can easily acces his pc given permission.
Hopwever this does not mean that i can fix it.
Although.
i could have a quick look and see if anything Is out of place,

That's what I meant. Clearly you have more knowledge and routine than
drisos (no offense, drisos). Maybe it's an easy problem.
I think it's worth a try.