Logging into the foyer under Windows XP

[Drisos]

Have you run the Shambles TW program, and made your server selection with that yet?

I'm confident the configuration is correct. Because I do connect with the server (others see something like a name appear) but I can't log in.

Good to see you here btw, Tomisama.

Indeed R'as, it is insane. And it really frustrating me bigtime!

That's what I meant. Clearly you have more knowledge and routine than
drisos (no offense, drisos).

Of course no offense taken.. hehe Shambles knows a lot more about it then me indeed. I do trust Shambles, but how can it be that he can just acess my computer??!! won't my firewall block him? I mean, if he can others could as well. We could do this, but I doubt it will help much. We just got this computer, and haven't done much with it. I doubt there's anything 'out of place', If I understand what you meant with 'out of place'. though I don't know what else might be causing this.

I have wireless logitech mouse and keyboard. and logitech boxes. A HP printer. A philips flatscreen. A radeon gfx card. Pentium 4 processor. don't know much more about hardware without looking at paper stuff but perhaps there is some of these things that need software which might some way take something out of place which keeps me from logging in. (very unrealistic, but, as r'as said, why shouldn't I be able to log in when others can)

[Wilbo]

Without reading back -

Drisos, you could try doing a Windows update, to make sure you're all up to date on all the Windows Service Packs etc. They can make a difference. I would then, once again, just check that the Windows firewall isn't activated.

The Service Packs, I believe, can affect Shogun, but could also stop the game from working at all... I believe that you just need to make sure that Shogun is fully patched and up to date, your Shogun settings are definitely correct and that the Window's firewall is turned off.

I can appreciate that this must be very frustrating for you - I had the same problem myself for quite a while, which is why I've never really played Shogun multi.

[Tomisama]

Just as a double check, your CFG file should read:

ChatserverIPAddress = ShogunTW.no-ip.info
ChatserverPort = 8793
NewsserverIPAddress = daphne.eagames.co.uk
NewsserverPort = 8797
ShogunTotalWarWebsite = http://dflw.2ya.com

And are you at least patched to v1.12?
There were several fixes for connection problems in those early patches.

And as stated above, are your Windows updates, up-to-date?
New computers do not automatically come updated.

A general principal of troubleshooting says that 80% of problems are simple and in plain view, we just don't see them

[Drisos]

Well I just got this computer for a few weeks... would it need windows updates already??

I checked firewall+internet.cfg file again. Everything ok.

It can't be my shogun copy either... I could log in with in on the old computer.

oh and Tomi, I have STW WE. so it's patch 1.02.

btw everything ok with the hunters?

[Jochi Khan]

Drisos...

Have you got Windows XP with SP2 installed?
Have you run a Windows update? Yes, even new pc's are not 'new' the OS could have been loaded months ago.

Check these two things first.

I am running Windows XP SP2 (regularly updated)

I have connected to Shambles server with STW (old stw)v1.12 and
STW/WE v1.02 with no problems.

Jochi

[Drisos]

Hiya Jochi,

What's SP2? I'm afraid I don't know if I have it

Going to check for windows update now.

[Just A Girl]

SP2
means service pack 2.

Windows xp released a service pack, That helped adress a lot of issues with xp.
(SP1)
This wasnt the best theyd ever done so after a while the released SP 2.
After updating there pc's with these service packs Many people suffered problems.
So have been advizing people not to use them.

But Jochi is right.
You should make sure you do have SP2 installed,
It seems to be fine now any way.
Dosent seem to cause errors or CTD's like it used to.

To get SP2
You just need to run windows update.

It's best to update everything you can.

All my xp updates are fully installed,
And theres no problems with them any more.

[Jochi Khan]

Service Pack2 can be downloaded from the Microsoft site

I'llsee if I can dig up the link

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/s...displaylang=en

Try here

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Interesting, I have SP2 and shogun worked for me.

[Drisos]

Windows updates and SP2 done... Will soon give shogun a couple of more tries, using any tips that have been shared all the same time. Any more things I can try?

[Tomisama]

Learned something today that might be important.

Created Shogun v1.12 and was able to log on.

Added Warlord v1.02 in same folder (my error), and was able to log on.

Set up Warlord in it's own folder, with diffrent key, and same name. And could not log on!

Changed name, and was able to log on.

While playing today, Arcade had to log on using Arcade18 because he had been droped, and could not log again on using the "same name".

Drisos, have you tried diffrent names (probably have but though I'd suggest)?

You will still have to try to log about three times (I do), but you will get in eventully if all else is right.

[Just A Girl]

Learned something today that might be important.

Created Shogun v1.12 and was able to log on.

Added Warlord v1.02 in same folder (my error), and was able to log on.

Set up Warlord in it's own folder, with diffrent key, and same name. And could not log on!

Changed name, and was able to log on.

While playing today, Arcade had to log on using Arcade18 because he had been droped, and could not log again on using the "same name".

Drisos, have you tried diffrent names (probably have but though I'd suggest)?

You will still have to try to log about three times (I do), but you will get in eventully if all else is right.

Thats Interesting.

Were all the wralord files installed in to the same directory as shogun origional?

...
I mean

was shogun.exe and shogunW.exe In the same folder?
(or whatever the respective exe names are)

If they were that implys there may be a File in the oriogional stw game folder that allows easier acsess to the server.
(I know that the origional shogun doesent suffer log in probs.)

I will probably have gone to see what aditional files there are with the origional STW by the time you read this, but please reply

[R'as al Ghul]

Set up Warlord in it's own folder, with diffrent key, and same name. And could not log on!

Changed name, and was able to log on.

This could be the fakeserver error we all know.
Sometimes when logging out of the lobby or being dropped
by the server, your login is still seen in the lobby but you're
logged out. You can't login again because your name/nick is still
logged in.

[Tomisama]

What happened was, I tried to load Warlord in the same folder, as if it were an expansion (requiring the host game). As soon as I started the process, I knew I had made a mistake. But time was short for Sundays S.O.S. 7PM GMT meeting, so I let it ride, allowing all duplicate files to be overwritten. The key and connection information were blank in the overwrite, so remained the same as they had been with Shogun, and I was able to log on, no problem. The install never ask me for a key, and the internet information was already there when I went to log in.

Later, when I went to re-install the game properly, the install ask me for a key, and the connection info was blank when I went to log in. This time used the Warlord key for the install (had to), and also for the connection info. That with the name and password I had used earlier, I could no longer log on.

I believe if I would have used the same information for the connection that I had use before (Shogun key for connection only), I would have been able to log on. But because there was a different key, the server would not let me.

I changed my name to go with the new key, and loged on...

I have not had a chance to try using the Shogun key (for connection info only) and my origional name, but will this evening.

[Tomisama]

OK!

Thoroughly tested.

The relationships between key, name, and password, have nothing to do with the ability to log on.
I tried various combinations of all three, and even “none” of the three (all blank), and was still able to log on. In that case, the server gave me the family name as my only name.

Thought I was onto something…but alas…

[Just A Girl]

OK!

Thoroughly tested.

The relationships between key, name, and password, have nothing to do with the ability to log on.
I tried various combinations of all three, and even “none” of the three (all blank), and was still able to log on. In that case, the server gave me the family name as my only name.

Thought I was onto something…but alas…

Well i honestly beleve that this bit was the most interesting of what you said.

What happened was, I tried to load Warlord in the same folder, as if it were an expansion (requiring the host game). As soon as I started the process, I knew I had made a mistake. But time was short for Sundays S.O.S. 7PM GMT meeting, so I let it ride, allowing all duplicate files to be overwritten. The key and connection information were blank in the overwrite, so remained the same as they had been with Shogun, and I was able to log on, no problem.

seems to imply that theres a way to add files from origional shogun to WE and make it log on easier.

[Tomisama]

Later, when I went to re-install the game properly, the install ask me for a key, and the connection info was blank when I went to log in. This time used the Warlord key for the install (had to), and also for the connection info. That with the name and password I had used earlier, I could no longer log on.

This was for some “unknown” reason, that gave the illusion that there was something to the different installations. Further testing, and a second fresh install that should have duplicated the problem, didn’t! I am pretty much satisfied that the inability to log on mentioned above was a fluke, and that the real cause may never be known...

[Drisos]

R'as, it can't be the 'same name' problem - because of my auto-logouts, I exactly know what error it gives, and it's not the same as this one. I get stuck at 'logging in...' while it you are logged out and your name is still in, you will see a message 'have you registered at www.totalwar.com?'

because of a 'emergency' situation at two other forums I couldn't run some tests today... hopefully tomorrow morning then... crossed fingers

[Tomisama]

One of these trys you are going to see "LOGGING ON" change to "LOGGED ON" and totaly flip out

Crossing fingers with you

[Just A Girl]

Its true drisos,
Remember in the begining when i 1st opend the server?

I had probs geting in..
30 mins of trying at times..
Even with the horrible xp log on probs not geting fixed.
its still posible to get in to the foyer by pure luck.

[Drisos]

I tried logging in with the mixed up install... no succes either.

The only effect it has is that I can't play shogun original and shogun we runs badly...

Next thing to try?

[Tomisama]

If I were you I would:

1. Uninstall everything Shogun using Add and Remove Programs.

2. Check to be sure the Shogun folder is gone. If not, remove it.

3. Use System Restore to restore your system back to before you did the double Shogun install.

4. Run your hard drive Error Check with Auto Fix on.

5. Derangement you hard drive, even if it says you don’t have to.

6. Turn you computer off, and then cold start. Do not just Restart.

7. Check to be sure CHOICE is in your C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM32 file.

7. Install the original Shogun.

8. Upgrade to version 1.12.

9. Install Shambles TW in the game's main folder.

10. Find STWserver batch file in that folder and run it, selecting Shambles server.

11. Check shamblesSTW folder’s CFG file says:

ChatserverIPAddress = ShogunTW.no-ip.info
ChatserverPort = 8793
NewsserverIPAddress = daphne.eagames.co.uk
NewsserverPort = 8797
ShogunTotalWarWebsite = http://dflw.2ya.com

12. Reboot your computer and try to login again.

13. If that works, move on to installing Warlord Invasion by it’s self, as it should be.

14. Upgrade Warlord to version 1.02.

15. Install Shambles TW in the Warlord game's main folder.

16. Find STWserver in that folder and run it, selecting Shambles server.

17. Check shamblesSTW folder’s CFG file says the same as above.

If you can logon with Shogun, you should be able to logon with Warlord. It just may take more tries each time.

P.S. Don’t skip any steps, and pay close attention to the results of each action. Make sure that what you intended actually happened, before you move on to the next step.

Windows XP should have no problem running either program. And you should have no problem logging on with either.

Good Luck

[Just A Girl]

if you cant run the bat file use libaryfiles.exe from my downloads to allow the use of bat files.

But im prety sure you can run them.

I would imagine that the scan disk and defrag steps above arent actualy needed But It would be better to do them any way.

Scandisk and defrag IMO should be done on atleast a monthly basis any way.

The post above seems reasonable.
And also seems asthoug it can potentialy work.

The origional shogun doesnt suffer from the xp login problems.
so if you cant log in with that.
Its probable that its something els thats stoping you.

[Tomisama]

The Defrag is to scrunch things up and hopefully change the actual physical location on the disk of the next install, just incase there were any problems there.

I’ve put together the files necessary for the Warlord install (doing it for my Clan)
if they are needed by anyone

http://www.clanwarscomp.org/shogun/

[Just A Girl]

Your missing the larger map packs my freind.
You can downlaod them from my web page,
No waiting needed.
Sorry but ive had to dissalow cross linking.
So i wont be giving you a direct link to the file,

All the map packs and the update are in the downloads section of my web page under map,

You may like to look there and download what you need and then add them to your site.

I had a bit of a tough time finding the 304 map pack and the update.
some 1 sent them to me via msn,
so as far as i know
The only place you can find em is my web page. Or prehaps here on the org.

[Drisos]

I think they're on Clan Takiyama site and indeed here at the .org as well

Oki Tomisama I will be doing that stuff sometime soon hopefully. I will add one thing: change the shortcuts into windows compatibility mode and perhaps disabling firewall and bypassing router, but it should work anyway.

and I promise to take at least 100 tries

[Tomisama]

Thanks guys! I did find that I had the packs for 303 and 304. I also found a folder called MS-DOS 6.22, which if I remember right to be loaded into your SYSTEM32 file, to make it possible to run older software on XP. It has CHOICE and other files missing from the XP DOS.

http://www.clanwarscomp.org/shogun/

That may be the same thing that is accomplished by the Libraryfiles.exe?

It’s one of those things you do once, and forget about it. But it is there, doing it’s thing whenever (years later) you have needed it to be.

I had some strange effects from the compatibility mode, and am sure don’t need to go that way. Suggestions for the firewall and router bypass would have come later, if completing the above steps did not work. But the clean install has to come first

[Drisos]

sorry - I'm not used to english when it's about windows...

what is system restore? how do I do that?

[Tomisama]

Start - Help and Support, and under Additional resources, you will find System Restore. You want to “restore my computer to a previous time”.

Pick a date before you did the double install, but after you installed Service Pack 2, and restore to that date. This is just a precautionary step, as we don’t know if there were any changes made that might effect future installs of Warlord.

Better to waste some time doing some things “just in case”, than not knowing if it might have been one of those things.

[Drisos]

Done.

Next problem: Is it possible to manually change the needed stats from Shogun original's installation 'patch'.(probably 1.00) into 1.12. (I mean the stats needed to make it possible to play with others on 1.12)

I don't seem to be able to run shogun normally when installing 1.12. I know it did run ok when I didn't patch and only installed to play some SP, years ago.

If I manage to log in with Shogun Original I would like to play it with Tomisama and perhaps some others.. in case I can't get it work with WE.
But if I can't get it to run at all.. I will have to get a new shogun original copy.