Inca - Total War

[ByzantineKnight]

Hi

Good Luck on your mod. There are some games with a few native american units on them, that perhaps you can borrow their skin. One of those is Rise of Nations. Somehow, they developed this greatly detailed unit skins but they can't be admired because of the far camara view.
Some of those units are:

Inti Club Man
Balabom Slinger
and Jaguar Warrior

Thank You, we may be able to put up camp map screens soon!!

[Rex_Pelasgorum]

Thank You, we may be able to put up camp map screens soon!

So there is already an existing campaign map ? This is the best news for today, deffinetly !!!

[ByzantineKnight]

Not yet, mabye by the end of the week though!!

[Murfios]

Will the camp map have an equal proportion to that of Vanilla RTW? Considering that there where so many towns so close to each other.

Will Mayas, Aztecs, Lencas, Chortiz, and other cultures be there to use as factions?

I heard somewhere there is a mith that states that somewhere in Honduras or Guatemala, Vikings or Norsemen landed there. With them, they brought Milk and some horses. They sold some milk to some natives and settled. The natives, which where not used to milk, drank it and thought it was delicious. They later suffered from stomach pain. Thinking it was poison, they later that night went and killed all the norsemen.

Perhaps, you could include this small camp, with a Horse Stable. And the natives regard them as Demons of Xibalba using them scarcely.

[Murfios]

remember that there are going to be aztecs in M2TW... or is incan and aztec warfare so completely different? also i was under the impression that M2TW would be probably as moddable as RTW
but besides from that, there was(is?) Age of Mankind, a mod which took the greatest powers of a region in the world and made a faction for them... i believe they had made a few incan and a few aztec units

Aztecs where more savage, and they had a taste for human blood. The land they fought also was different. Aztecs based their warefare on tropical areas, they bashed their enemies in ambushes, mostly because of the thick folige. Inca fought in more open areas. I dont think that the skirmishes that took place where as that of the Romas nor Greeks. Mainly becaused they where not focused on expansion and didn't have Hordes of barbarians on their tails.

and...yeah the Age of Mankind dies out months ago.

[ByzantineKnight]

and...yeah the Age of Mankind dies out months ago.

When a mod dies, does that make their stuff common domain, or will we have to PM them for permission?

Will the camp map have an equal proportion to that of Vanilla RTW? Considering that there where so many towns so close to each other.

Not sure yet, the internet died before I could get all the things I needed for the maps, so it will be a while longer :(

Will Mayas, Aztecs, Lencas, Chortiz, and other cultures be there to use as factions?

I don't think so, we are already trying to get it out before M2TW and with more factions/cultures it will delay it alot.

[Rex_Pelasgorum]

I heard somewhere there is a mith that states that somewhere in Honduras or Guatemala, Vikings or Norsemen landed there. With them, they brought Milk and some horses. They sold some milk to some natives and settled. The natives, which where not used to milk, drank it and thought it was delicious. They later suffered from stomach pain. Thinking it was poison, they later that night went and killed all the norsemen.

The map will not cover those areas... the northenmost point will probably be somewhere north of Quito, while the southernmost point will be somewhere near the modern town of Santiago de Chile. To the east, it will go up to the Amazonian jungles in NE, and Tucuman in SE. To the west, the limit will be the Pacific Ocean.

I don't think so, we are already trying to get it out before M2TW and with more factions/cultures it will delay it alot.

Agree

Will Mayas, Aztecs, Lencas, Chortiz, and other cultures be there to use as factions?

Off course, if whe manage to make the mod to work as a beta, many more aditions will be done, such as new cultures, more in depth representation of the already existing ones, historicall battles (we could make some spanish present only in historicall /custom battles as we cannot reproduce the spanish conquest in the campaign) , etc. I`m thinking about historicall battles such as those of Island of Puna , the one from Sacsahuaman between Manco Inca and the Spanish, and Vilacabamba the last stronghold of the Inca, or the campaing of the Mapuche chieftain Lautaro who managed to defeat and stop the spanish expansion, etc.

But, there is a old saying, "never sell the hide of the bear you have`nt hunted yet" We need a working map, we need units, and most, most of all, we need SUPPORT

Anyone who can help us is more than welcome !

whith respect,
Rex Pelasgorum

[Murfios]

When a mod dies, does that make their stuff common domain, or will we have to PM them for permission?

Well, you see. The developers of this mod actually never got passed the beta stage, and the modding team disbanded. So if you could actually get a grip of any info, you would be lucky.

historicall battles (we could make some spanish present only in historicall /custom battles as we cannot reproduce the spanish conquest in the campaign) , etc. I`m thinking about historicall battles such as those of Island of Puna , the one from Sacsahuaman between Manco Inca and the Spanish, and Vilacabamba the last stronghold of the Inca, or the campaing of the Mapuche chieftain Lautaro who managed to defeat and stop the spanish expansion, etc.

That sounds great. But if you could actualy include it, how would you make the effects of muskets and cannons(if any where present)?

will need BI?

[ByzantineKnight]

Well, you see. The developers of this mod actually never got passed the beta stage, and the modding team disbanded. So if you could actually get a grip of any info, you would be lucky.

They had a faction icon/shield that we could use.

That sounds great. But if you could actualy include it, how would you make the effects of muskets and cannons(if any where present)?

We might get some help from the NTW2 team...

will need BI?

No, we will port it to RTW 1.5

Byzantine Knight

[Murfios]

That great!

[ByzantineKnight]

Almost Finalised Incan Units

Range Units

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Huaraca - Fast Heavy Missile - Slingers
Tangul - Fast Missile - Bowmen
Waraqa - Fast Missile - Slingers
Hacha Ch'anyita - Heavy Missile - Axemen
Chuki Ch'anyita - Fast Heavy Missile - Javelins
Boleadora - Fast Heavy Missile - 3-Weight Bolas (Short Range)
Avestrucera - Fast Missile - 2-Weight Bolas (Long Range)

Infantry

Levies

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Allpa Llank'aq - Light Infantry - Peasants
Musuq Awqalli - Light Infantry - Levy Troops

Regulars

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Cacacuzco - Light Missile Infantry - Sling Before charge, Spear
Ayllucuzcos - Light Infantry - Axe
Mancopchincuzcos - Light Infantry - Spear
Auquiconna - Light Missile Infantry - Sling before charge, Club
Inca Chuki - Light Infantry - Inca Spearmen
Champi Chuki - Light Infantry - Bronze Spears
Anta Chuki - Light Infantry - Copper Spears
Hacha - Heavy Infantry - Axemen
Awqalli - Light Infantry - Club
Awqapuriq - Light Infantry - Spear

Special

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Chasquis - Fast Light Infantry - Messengers
Yachakuq Runa - Light Infantry - Novices

Nobles

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Qurichisqa Chuki - Heavy Infantry - Noble Golden Spears
Acuakpussak - Heavy Infantry - Veteran Troops
Anta Waqtana - Heavy Infantry - Copper Mace

Almost Finalised Chachapoyas Units

Note: The Chachapoyas were very similar to the Incans, thus the similar Unit Trees.

Range Units

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Huaraca - Fast Heavy Missile - Slingers
Tangul - Fast Missile - Bowmen
Waraqa - Fast Missile - Slingers
Hacha Ch'anyita - Heavy Missile - Axemen
Chuki Ch'anyita - Fast Heavy Missile - Javelins
Avestrucera - Fast Missile - 2-Weight Bolas (Long Range)

Infantry

Levies

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Allpa Llank'aq - Light Infantry - Peasants
Musuq Awqalli - Light Infantry - Levy Troops

Regulars

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Champi Chuki - Light Infantry - Bronze Spears
Anta Chuki - Light Infantry - Copper Spears
Hacha - Heavy Infantry - Axemen
Awqalli - Light Infantry - Club
Awqapuriq - Light Infantry - Spear
Suytu Champis - Heavy Infantry - Large Axe

Nobles

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Qurichisqa Chuki - Heavy Infantry - Noble Golden Spears
Anta Waqtana - Heavy Infantry - Copper Mace

[Murfios]

The bolas are like slingers?

[ByzantineKnight]

The bolas are like slingers?

No, 3-weighted bolas which are the most common are basicly a rope split in 3 directions with a weight tied on each end. Wikepedia Article More Information

[ByzantineKnight]

Almost Finalised Aymara Units

Range

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Perdida - Fast Light Missile - 1-Weight Bolas (Long Range)
Avestrucera - Fast Missile - 2-Weight Bolas (Long Range)
Waraqa - Fast Missile - Slingers
Chuki Ch'anyita - Fast Heavy Missile - Javelins
Tangul - Fast Missile - Bowmen

Infantry

Levies

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Allpa Llank'aq - Light Infantry - Peasants
Musuq Awqalli - Light Infantry - Levy Troops

Regulars

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Yawri Chuki - Light Infantry - Copper Spears
Aymara Chuki - Light Infantry - Aymara Spears
Ari Chuki - Heavy Infantry - Heavy Spears
Awqalli - Light Infantry - Clubmen
Hacha - Heavy Infantry - Axemen

Nobles

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Chuqi Chuki - Heavy Infantry - Golden Spears
Alaec - Heavy Infantry - Warrior Priests

[Motep]

i have gotten a great pm from byzantineknight, and i would be happy to help you out. i dont know how to skin, and i am using rtw 1.0 so ill have to download...but, once the skins are constructed, ill take care of the rest that entails units.

[Motep]

note: i can also mod the campaign script, along with research for it. However, i think this mod should encompass some of central armerica, as that played a mojor role in the development of the entire region. Plus, we can give the Aztecs and maya(that is one will be excluded once the time line is sorted out) some north american mercs, such as some from the pueblo and such.maybe we could contact the ones involved in that dead mod and see what they got for skins and such.

Can we not use bi, as i have no way of getting it anytime soon.

[Rex_Pelasgorum]

i have gotten a great pm from byzantineknight, and i would be happy to help you out. i dont know how to skin, and i am using rtw 1.0 so ill have to download...but, once the skins are constructed, ill take care of the rest that entails units.

Great ! Welcome into the team

Can we not use bi, as i have no way of getting it anytime soon.

The mod will likely be for RTW 1.5

. However, i think this mod should encompass some of central armerica, as that played a mojor role in the development of the entire region.

Agree... but making a map to encompass everything from Santiago de Chile up to Rio Grande would be...

No, 3-weighted bolas which are the most common are basicly a rope split in 3 directions with a weight tied on each end.

This will be very hard to insert in the game... a special animation would be needed, i guess.

But anyway, the good part is that we are rapidly progressing

[Motep]

no, not all the up to the rio grande, just up to about southern mexico. ill try to find a good map.

[Motep]

alright i found sme good ones

we only have to go this far up

the road system will have to look something like this, with maybe a few added to connect inca and aztec

[Rex_Pelasgorum]

http://www.inkanatura.com/coastchicl...lochanchan.asp
http://whc.unesco.org/en/list/366

Chan-Chan, the desert city of the CHIMU -;)

http://bruceowen.com/andeanae/and8s21.htm
http://www.mnsu.edu/emuseum/prehisto...res/chimu.html

Kingdom of Chimor (Chimu).


http://www.inkanatura.com/coastchicl...ujocomplex.asp

About the Moche, the predecesors of Chimu

http://www.inkanatura.com/coastchicl...oontemples.asp

Sun and Moon Pyramid, true wonders of Ancient Peru

I think Chimu, as a desert amerindian culture, will be the most interesting to depict....

[Rex_Pelasgorum]

alright i found sme good ones

Good maps !
Lets just hope in 2 week we will have a working map, one way or another

[Motep]

they do seem like they would be alot of fun to make. Wed have to give them all of the farming techs, as well as the sewer system, but wed have to rename it and everything, but the pic for it is perfect for their well system.

[Motep]

about the wonders...they wouls be awesome in the game...however...i have no knowledge of how wonders work.

[Motep]

i am now installing patch 1.5...il soon be readdy for modding!

[Murfios]

What I ment about the bolas, is that if they will be used as slings. I dont think the RTW engine suports units being traped. In other games such as Age of Empires III they used this bolas Inca warriors a range unit that simply throws this things(and only kill with them, not trap).

[ByzantineKnight]

What I ment about the bolas, is that if they will be used as slings. I dont think the RTW engine suports units being traped. In other games such as Age of Empires III they used this bolas Inca warriors a range unit that simply throws this things(and only kill with them, not trap).

That was one of the tricks of the bola, you throw at the neck and the weights come in and crush your head *oww*

about the wonders...they wouls be awesome in the game...however...i have no knowledge of how wonders work.

I can get those, I just need pictures, descriptions, and what wonders we will make.

alright i found sme good ones

we only have to go this far up

the road system will have to look something like this, with maybe a few added to connect inca and aztec

We could have these two campaign maps in a later release

It doesn't seem like BDH will do the map for us, so if anyone is interested in helping they can go here for the tutorial.

Byzantine Knight

[Rex_Pelasgorum]

That was one of the tricks of the bola, you throw at the neck and the weights come in and crush your head *oww*

We would need a good animation for it... for the Sarbakana also....

I can get those, I just need pictures, descriptions, and what wonders we will make.

Hopefully, in a few days we will have them !

I propose :

THE WATER AQUEDUCTS OF NAZCA



+ Farming
+ Happiness

THE RUINS OF TIAHUANACO



+ Happiness

ISLA DEL SOL(we must find the native name of it,that monastery from Titicaca whith the Inca Virgin women)



+ Happines

ORACLE OF RIMAC (that piramid which was used also as a oracle, see Garcilaso de Vega)

I didnt find any relevant images , only these, whith an excavation site.



+ Happines

PYRAMID OF THE SUN



+ Happines

SALAR DE UYUNI (great salt fields,etc)



+ Trade


These are some of the possible wonders which could be included in the mod...

[Motep]

hmmm...the site load didnt work...so I cant do it.

but about the wonders:
Hauca del la luna (pyramid of the sun)

Hauca del sol (pyramid of the moon)


and once again, wikipedia has all the info youll need!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huaca_de_la_Luna

Im pretty sure all the other wonders could be found on wikipedia as well.

[ByzantineKnight]

Ok, thanks guys!!

[caravel]

Garcilaso de la Vega el Inca , altough it presents the facts from a catholic (bust still indian...) point of view.

Can I recommend John Hemming's "Conquests of the Incas" and WH Prescott's "History of the Conquest of Peru". Garcilaso de la Vega was what was commonly termed at the time as a "mestizo", that is a "half blood", and did make use of some poetic license. Necessary reading though of course.

I expect the earliest culture you'll be dealing with is Moche which should make your task somewhat easier, though not much.