florin levels

[Fenix7]

10k. more, less?

[Paolai]

10k

[Monarch]

Yup, 10k.

[Stig]

10k for me too
And I use only 2 rules:
max 5 cav
max 2 art

Otherwise you get cav spammers, and only 2 art simply because imo art isn't really overpowered as in RTW, they aren't that strong

[NihilisticCow]

Why max 5 cav though? Massed cavalry is harder to use as they just can get blobbed up and blocked. Cavalry restrictions in RTW 1.2 were needed, but they haven't been since BI came out.

[][GERUDO][Mojoman]

yeah i dont put a max on cav, i just say no art/ele...sometimes max 4 HA depending on the period..and ya 10k pwns

[Stig]

Why max 5 cav though?

Since I already had to games with cav spammer, the idiots came with cav only. I won ok, but it was "pretty" boring tho.

[Puzz3D]

Since I already had to games with cav spammer, the idiots came with cav only.

The best way to make the all cav go away is to beat it. It's quite important that all cav can be effectively countered.

[Orda Khan]

Stig,
Can you edit the prophanity out of your post please?
Or can a Moderator? Please?

.......Orda

[Stig]

ok no problem sorry m8, it's just how I write from time to time

[LadyAnn]

ah come on, I love boyfriend with fast car, I love my army with fast horsies. I love speed. Now having 5 max on cav? Ridiculous :)

Annie

[Stig]

I smell something is it sarcasm or the toilets not far from here?

[Fenix7]

Why to have max on cavalry in MTW 2? This doesn't seems to be a problem there.

[Stig]

As said, I like fair games, yes I can beat cav spammers, but it's just no fun

[Monarch]

I don't see how its "less fun".

Care to elaborate?

You said you don't like them because you faced all cav armies, but then stick five max on? Surely a more logical step would be around 10, if you really must have a rule.

[Stig]

No I'm used to play under very strict rules

Only 4 same type
max 4 cav
max 4 ranged
ha counts as both ranged and cav
art counts as ranged
no spartans, urbs, prat cav (and some more elites)
no fire art

I limit cav to 5, because that's good imo
1 general, 5 cav, 4 archers, 10 inf is my standard army, and the rules are based on that.

[Lusted]

10k seems to be the best, though 20k can be fun as well. Also i do not see the need for any limits on number of certain units as they can all be countered. I fought a guy earleir who was the Timurids with 3 cannon eles and mostly cav army, yet i kicked his ass with my Russian army as i focused on missile troops, horse archers, and some decent shock cavalry.

[Orda Khan]

Well it's a simple case of whether people accept those rules or not.

My own opinion is that those rules disadvantage certain factions and will eventually lead to only some factions used. Since cavalry armies are historical I have no problem with it

......Orda

[Stig]

Aye, tbh I have no problem if people use 6 or 8 cav as the Mongols, but the spammers I played had 20 cav with HRE and France, not the real all cav factions.

[Monarch]

Well it's a simple case of whether people accept those rules or not.

My own opinion is that those rules disadvantage certain factions and will eventually lead to only some factions used. Since cavalry armies are historical I have no problem with it

......Orda

Well I agree "no ele" in Rome was a very big factor, weakening Carthage immensely. However in M2 the only faction with eles are the Timurids, and I played without a no elephant rule for the first week and hardly one picked Timurids anyway.

but the spammers I played had 20 cav with HRE and France, not the real all cav factions.

Cavs very expensive for those faction, 700+ for heavy cav, the light cav they can also get is totally crap anyway. 700x20=14000, which means you were playing like 15k, which is too much money imo anyway.

[Stig]

I didn't host them, they did ... which means I don't control money

[RTKBarrett]

10k seems the best.... i dont know why these rules are popping out all over the place. Tbh the only thing that really needs a restriction on is the musketeers but i hardly play late period anyways ;-)

[Stig]

Played some battles with you Huscarl guys, only rule no art, right?
Were some pretty good games

[RTKBarrett]

Yes, i only put in no art as i know many players dislike its use... im not bothered.

[Darsh]

10 and no rules = fun game

Cavalery army is balanced because they are expensive and very weak
Elephant no problem because they cost very much, only available for Timurids and easy to counter.
Artillery= no art is stupid especially when you know all late European Armies have artillery units in their all battles and plus they are expensive,inaccurate but good to force your opponents to attack.

[Monarch]

id especially when you know all late European Armies have artillery units .

Alot of the artillery units available are siege guns, not used on the battle field.

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

10K, No Art No Eles, Flatland is fair game so far on MTW2 IMO. I'm not doing a cav maxl iek Sitg is, because I not for the idea, but then again, I haven't fought any cav spammers yet.

[UglyandHasty]

10 k is fine, no rules

[Darsh]

Alot of the artillery units available are siege guns, not used on the battle field.

Formigny,Castillon and Marignan are only some example of the power of the artillery on the battlefield in the medieval/renaissance period.

[Goalie]

Yea 10k seems to be pretty fair. I dont like the late era games too much though, i prefer high era with max 3 art as the only rule.