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  • The Kingdom of Norway

    63 53.85%
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    Arrow Final Faction Voting Thread

    Yes, it has arrived! After much discussion and endless reseaerch, we have decided on and prepared the final faction up for voting, the Principality of Rostov-Suzdal. We apologise for the delay in releasing this faction, but our leading members were bogged down in exams. However, things have heated up our forums once again, and we are making great progress on the mod. Just a note, I apologise for not having presented a map of Rostov-Suzdal, but it is not on the area planned for our first release, and so the regions there have not been finalised. Anyway, withouth wasting anymore time, may the voting begin!

    Just to remind you of the factions that have already made it into MA:

    Papal States
    Kingdom of Scotland
    Kingdom of Ireland
    Kingdom of England
    Kingdom of France
    Kingdom of Leon-Castile
    Crown of Aragon
    Holy Roman Empire
    Kingdom of Bohemia
    Republic of Venice
    Republic of Genoa
    Kingdom of Appulia-Calabria
    Kingdom of Hungary
    Kingdom of Poland
    Kingdom of Denmark

    Kingdom of Cilician Armenia
    Byzantine Empire
    Kingdom of Georgia
    Principality of Kiev
    Novgorod

    Moorish Amirate
    Sultanate of Rum
    Abbasid Caliphate
    Fatimid Empire
    Volga-Bulgarians
    Khwarezmid Empire

    Kipchaks
    Principality of Lithuania
    Golden Horde


    The Emirate of Sevilla



    In around 1020 the Caliphate of Cordoba, once an incredibly powerful empire encompassing much of the muslim land in the west and sometimes referred to as the Byzantium of the West by modern scholars, arrived at the end of its decline and finally dissolved into dozens of minor political states commonly referred to as taifa states. Among these was of course Sevilla under the rule of the Abbadid dynasty. Over the next fifty years, Sevilla would rarely witness a day of peace as it ruthlessly expanded at the expense of the smaller taifa states around it. Even the ancient and powerful city of Cordoba became just another name in the long list of states that Sevilla had conquered.

    By game start (1073) Sevilla had become without question the most powerful of the muslim states with its only true rival on the peninsula being Alphonso VI and his kingdom of Leon-Castile to the north. The city of Sevilla itself is perhaps the most powerful single city on the penninsula. Such aggressive expansion is due in large part to Sevilla's Emirs, the Abbadids. Over its half century of existence, Sevilla has seen three rulers from the Abbad line with each being more ruthless than the last (Abbad II is said to have kept the skulls of his enemies whom he had personally murdered as flowerpots). Through a frighteningly effective mixture of military backstabbing and diplomatic deceit and treachery the Abbadids have managed to gobble up every other state in their path. The current Emir, Muhammad al-Mu'tamid, has only been in power for three years but he is viewed as cruel, lying, and faithless in his political dealings though in person he is a rather amiable man and a generous patron of the arts (especially literature). His overly extravagant lifestyle, however, combined with his constant warring (most notably with Sevilla's old rival Granada) is actively emptying the nation's treasury forcing even heavier taxes on an already tax-burdened people.

    Form a gameplay perspective, Sevilla fills a very interesting gap in the Iberian Penninsula, being the only muslim power. It effectively changes the entire dynamic of the region from a race by the christian factions to gobble up as many rebel provinces as fast as possible to one that actually requires careful diplomacy and strategic planning as it id did in history. While powerful militarily, Sevilla's treasury is barely staying afloat and drastic measures need to be taken quickly to avert a complete collapse. Its diplomatic situation is tricky as it lies directly in the path of both christian expansion from the north and Almoravid expansion from the south. The ruling family would be incredibly interesting to role play with their various extreme traits and quirks. Ultimately the faction would be a very enjoyable challenge to play. THe only real drawback to Sevilla's inclusion is the fact that historically Sevilla as an independant nation lasted only until 1091 when it was conquered by the Almoravids (though through Muhammad al-Mu'tamid's shady diplomacy and backstabbing, Sevilla did manage to dodge the Almoravid maw for many years before finally falling as one of the last remaining taifa states). Ultimately, who can say where Sevilla's aggressive expansionism and wily cast of royal characters would have taken it had the Almoravids been stopped and of all the taifa states Sevilla is in the best position to just that.

    The Kingdom of Norway



    Norway itself would not be terribly viable without a few of our faction choices. Firstly, they keep Denmark from swarming over the north, or northern Russian kingdoms from tearing through Scandinavia. Secondly, they would possess the Western Isles in Britain, and here they would be key for fighting with the Irish and Scottish. The viking age was over, but neither the Irish or Scots had forgotten centuries of raiding and attempted conquests over their territories, and the Norwegians hadn't totally abandonned these attempts, though they'd finished, more or less, with raiding, and had switched to attempts at conquest. Only a while after the start (1073), Magnus Barelegs (himself dressing normally as a Gael, hence his moniker) he conquered the Isle of Mann began his attempted conquest of Ireland, capturing Dublin but being slain in an ambush in Ulster a year later. The Scots and Norse had yet to play out their wars and dealings to a final conclusion on the matter of various coastal territories and the surrounding islands of Scotland. The early period for the three factions is really the tail end of the viking age in the Gaelic world, with raiding turned to conquest. No one in the isles had been quite so successful in repulsing or absorbing the Norwegians, which actually led to their continued wars with them; because they had intermarried heavily with them, they assumed Gaelic succession laws were similar to their own, and made claims at both the high kingship of Ireland and Scotland, and attempted to enforce them. This comes as well with claims of the kingship of England (the Normans were descended from Norwegians and Danes) and Denmark.

    The Norwegians were prolific traders, trading in countless ports all through the north of Europe, but also in the Meditterranean. Norwegians fought in the crusades, both to the Holy Land and in the 'Northern Crusades'; Norwegians served in mostly German armies against the Sword Brethern and Lithuanian pagans, and a Norwegian crusading king was known as 'Jerusalemfarer'.

    At the time, they were ruled by Olaf III of Norway, son of Harald Hardråde, who participated in his father's invasion of England in 1066 in a failed attempt to claim the English throne. He originally ruled the country jointly with his brother Magnus II, who died in 1069, leaving Olaf in sole rule of Norway. He married Svend Estriden, daughter of the king of Denmark to make peace with him (as both had a claim on the other's throne), but produced no children, and he was instead succeeded by his bastard son, the Gall Gaedhil Magnus III, also called Magnus Barefoot or Magnus Barelegs, because of his habit of dressing as a Gael (wearing a long shirt and a cloak with no leggings or pants, and walking about barefooted much of the time). Olaf and Magnus, the first two rulers one would have in game, are both fairly strong. Olaf was an intelligent man, the first Norwegian king to read and write, and a religious man, who greatly improved the relations of Norway with the Pope, founding dioceses, building churches, and giving gifts to the new churches. He was also an intelligent businessman, who instituted the first guilds in Norway. His son Magnus was an intelligent military leader, and ended the period of peace his father had made, by going to war in both Sweden and Denmark, then on into Britain, retaking the Western Isles and the Isle of Mann. However, Magnus would not be so much of a diplomat; he had no legitimate heirs and Norway collapsed in a civil war after his death, he only narrowly brought to end a few wars in his lifetime. However, for what it's worth, he is a skilled military leader, so the first king Norway gets would be good for building the economy, and the second for making war.

    Early Norway would still be developing out of the earlier form of aristocratic warriors toward the emerging feudal system. Norway, like other kingdoms, was, at the time, actually a few smaller kingdoms subverted to a more powerful over-king. 'Viking' type troops would still exist; they'd be light or absent of cavalry initially in Norway. However, the Western Isles provides a second facet to their armies. The inhabitants of the Earldom of the Western Isles were Gall Gaedhil; essentially Gaelic, but with copious Norse influences. This province would provide them Gaelic warriors, including some light horse, and a specific Gall Gaedhil unit or two. Combined with traditional viking soldiers, they would start with a unique mixture of units, and an interesting spread of provinces, three in Scandinavia, one in the British Isles. Outside of the Gall Gaedhil of the Hebrides, they would have no early cavalry of their own; Norwegians that did ride horses only rode them to battle and dismounted to fight, much as Saxons and other older Germanic peoples often did. They have strong infantry, but a lack of cavalry will hamper them as the necessity for horsemen builds up. In a straight out infantry fight though, they have an advantage of strong, relatively well-equipped and high morale soldiers making up the core of their army.

    As such, from a gameplay perspective, they'd be a lot of fun. They'd in part help justify the presence of the Scots and Irish, as they still had some interesting dynamics at work between them. They have also a unique option of where to expand. One could focus on conquering Scandinavia (an obvious early choice), and going from there into the surrounding area, or using their British Isles province to expand into the isles and form a strong base there with the relatively rich provinces available. Their early armies would be built small, around a few units of well-equipped, capable soldiers good for fighting other infantry, giving them a good edge in some arenas in the early game, but those would lose their potency as heavy cavalry begins its more dominant period, meaning the Norwegians will then need to adapt further.

    The Principality of Rostov-Suzdal:



    Again, sorry about the map, Rostov-Suzdal is named Vladimir-Suzdal in that map, the red region.

    In the North-Eastern corner of the Old Continent, on the vast land between the Dnester and Volga rivers only a powerful state was able to gain a foothold in the Early Middle Ages, and that was the Kievan Rus’. However, by the 11th century the once mighty state started to disintegrate into several smaller pieces because of both internal and external reasons. One of the most significant of these evolving principalities was called Rostov-Suzdal located between the Oka and Volga rivers and extended as far north as Belozersk and Ustyug. The local capital was Rostov the Great, and the chief towns included Suzdal, Yaroslavl, and Belozersk. Otherwise in old Russia only two towns were called veliky (great). One was Novgorod, the famous trade centre on the North, the other Rostov. An outstanding feature of the development of urban life in the Rostov-Suzdal land was the fact that none of its towns was an undisputed centre. From high antiquity this distant land had two parallel centres--Rostov and Suzdal. That is why the land is usually known by the dual name of Rostov-Suzdal (or later Vladimir-Suzdal Rus). However, the ancient records were ignorant of these artificial names and usually designated the territory between the Volga and the Oka as the Zalessk Land. What’s important is that the political unification of these two strong settlements and the several smaller ones opened the door to the split from the Kievan state. However, historically it did not take place until 1125, so in 1073 the faction would start as a subordered part of Kiev.

    Slavic settlers entered the region in the 10th century and soon made it the centre of the Great Russian nation. The area is indeed the centre, lying as it does across the river route from the Baltic Sea to the Caspian Sea via the Oka and Volga Rivers and adjacent to the route from the Baltic to the Black Sea via the Dnieper River. That is why in the Zalessk Land trade was flourishing in this time much to the delight of the prince and the through passenger merchants. The pleasant economical situation enabled the line-up of a huge readily raised army as well (10-15000 soldiers). The Slavic colonisation was still continuous in the 11th century therefore the freedom of peasants in the principality was rather high. They were not averse from warlike situations and despite being relatively poorly armoured these Slavic woodsmen were considered tough warriors and that’s why a potential enemy could not be pleased when saw that they were who formed the biggest part of the Zalesskian army, wholly exactly the infantry. This section was otherwise a so-called territorial army with shields and spears (kopichnis) or with bow (luzhnis). The cavalry was lead by the boyars (high aristocrats), was mainly recruited from mercenaries and formed about 30% of the whole army. The warriors who served in it were the younger druzhinas of the prince, except about 20% of the cavalry who made up the most dreadful field unit, plus the escort of the prince. They were the old druzhinas, often deriving from some mysterious eastern land. In general the army of Rostov-Suzdal was not the most up-to-date and best equipped one of its period, but with the lethal combination of infantry and cavalry it formed a solid and effective power.

    We must admit that this Zalesskian military wasn’t really unique either, since all of the Russian principalities and the Slavic people had very similar conditions as well. What really picks out Rostov-Suzdal from the row of the others that is its outstanding strategic location that can provide a rather exciting game-experience. As it was former said, the principality locates between the Oka and Volga Rivers at the very corner of the theoretical area of the Kievan Rus’. On the woody East there is no-one except some primitive Finno-Ugric tribes, northward there is a small land passage to the Scandinavian-peninsula, but danger cannot be expected from that direction and on the South extends the huge steppe, the highway of peoples but steppe folks usually don’t like the woody, marshy lands. For a capable commander a state on this location is God’s own country. The only potential enemy can be found between the Volga and Kama Rivers, that is the notorious Volga-Bulgaria, besides on the West the folk’s ‘own’ people, the Novgorodians and the Kievan central government. Despite having a solid strategic location in the beginnings Rostov-Suzdal can be easily invaded by Novgorod or oppressed by the still forceful Rus’ because of the bearings of case in foreign politics.

    Anyway, these types of ‘inner’ conflicts were not too scarce historically either, so you had better pay attention right at the start if you played with the faction. However, survival is just the minimal requirement. If you have managed it, you can start to expand, to build the foundation-stones of your future empire and then you immediately come to realize that in spite of the advantageous commercial location, the area does not really abound in goods of the nature. Sure enough, playing Rostov-Suzdal you’ll studiously have to attend to those damned financial problems beside the several other one. And at last, when you will tend to take some relaxation gloating upon the subjugated half of Europe then comes the tempest. It is called Golden Horde… Consequently we can say that playing with Rostov-Suzdal would be rather unique and exciting, but on no account a pushover.
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    when mod finish? I can't wayt :) !!!

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    A rough skatch for Rostov-Suzdal on the former piece of map.


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    I voted for Norway, on the grounds that it will make it more difficult for Denmark to savage the Holy Roman Empire and for the Russian states to overrun Scandinavia, in addition to contributing to the gameplay in the British Isles. That said, Sevilla and Rostov-Suzdal would significantly contribute to gameplay in their respective areas as well (though I personally would put a higher priority to the Iberian Peninsula); I can definately see why the team had a difficult time deciding which of these factions to include.

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    Norway for me, for both gameplay and Vikings

    wouldn't it have been better to make it a private poll, where we can't see the results till it was over

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    uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.......rostov-suzdal? is this a joke? rostov-suzdal makes norway look amazing. and i couldnt be paid to vote for norway!

    i thought the last one would be serbia,burgundy,bulgaria, cause people wanted them.

    well, i guess im back to mtr.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stig
    wouldn't it have been better to make it a private poll, where we can't see the results till it was over
    Personally, i hadn't known before that this option even exists here at the .org, and we wanted to do this on this forum in any case. Otherwise, i don't think it'd be a big failure, in addition the poll runs just for two wees.

    Anyway, i'd like to hear comments on the other two as well, why have you chosen them?
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    Its a two week Poll BTW.

    Arfrisco, you're naming factions that were insignificant at 1073.
    At the end of the day politics is just trash compared to the Gospel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by arfrisco
    uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.......rostov-suzdal? is this a joke? rostov-suzdal makes norway look amazing. and i couldnt be paid to vote for norway!

    i thought the last one would be serbia,burgundy,bulgaria, cause people wanted them.

    well, i guess im back to mtr.
    While this post was a little over-confrontational, I have to say that I agree with the overall sentiment. However, I don't think that Rostov-Suzdal is such a stupid choice. Now, Ireland, that's a stupid choice, but since that isn't up for discussion, it looks like I'm going to have to vote Norway.

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    So many choices! The voting for Parliament in North Korea is more democratic than this one.
    But speaking of voting, there will be a Hall of Fame one eventually, and there you will receive the right feedback.

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    Finally! Thank you MA team! Once the final faction is decided, when will this mod be coming out (roughly)? I'm looking forward to it's release!


    P.S. Voted for Sevilla after much deliberation. I couldn't stand the thought of southern Iberia just being fodder for Christian states to gobble up.

    P.P.S. Shouldn't this thread be stickied?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kavhan Isbul
    But speaking of voting, there will be a Hall of Fame one eventually, and there you will receive the right feedback.
    LOL, please get off it... We are aware of the fact that the Hall of Fame voting will be our doom, so you don't have to threat us with it anymore. Thank you.

    Augustus: not at all. At this time we cannot say even a rough term, but of course we're working on our first release that is going to cover Western-Europe.

    As soon as Shifty returns, the thread will be stickied. ;)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kavhan Isbul
    So many choices! The voting for Parliament in North Korea is more democratic than this one.
    But speaking of voting, there will be a Hall of Fame one eventually, and there you will receive the right feedback.
    Oh no! We're not going to win a Hall of Fame award! Ah, the aggony, the pain, the suffering! That will prove our undoing, spoke from a man who truly knows how much that will destroy our seemingly well-recieved mod!
    Really, we don't care. Do you have anything better to do in your life than complain about this mod. It hasn't even come out. Good quip though, it was...humourous...but North Korea does not have a parliament.
    So, I suggest you take your bad disposition that only exists because someone doesn't give you enough attention, your low credibility, and your belief that we are making this mod for one person's enjoyment (yourself) and for a hall of fame award.
    Awards are nice, but we don't base our work around them.
    True democracies do not break down just because one person has a complaint, so I guess we are more democratic than you think!
    Happy voting!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kavhan Isbul
    So many choices! The voting for Parliament in North Korea is more democratic than this one.
    But speaking of voting, there will be a Hall of Fame one eventually, and there you will receive the right feedback.
    Yes, we're clearly a single-minded, narrow mod to offer factions so similar in their geography, culture, military, and historical significance as Norway, Sevilla, and Rostov-Suzdal. Sorry you did not get to choose between Serbia, Bulgaria, and Croatia.
    At the end of the day politics is just trash compared to the Gospel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IrishArmenian
    Awards are nice, but we don't base our work around them.
    OK, I get it. So how much do you think I should donate to the modders in order to see Bulgaria or Serbia in?

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    Serbia is in MTR, Bulgaria will be in other mods. You can't get always what you want.

    It is a balanced offer. One faction from southwestern europe, one from northern and one from eastern. Muslim, Catholic and Orthodox. You don't have to agree with their choices but it is a fair offer...

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    Wow...some tough choices. Sevilla certainly would add alot to the game but I opted for Norway as my choice of preference. I felt it would add more to the overall balance of gameplay between factions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kavhan Isbul
    OK, I get it. So how much do you think I should donate to the modders in order to see Bulgaria or Serbia in?
    Is this some sort of weak insult trying to label us as corrupt?
    There are a few things you should know about modding before you start with these comments that make you seem delusional because somehow, you think that we, at Medieval Auctoriso, are taking joy in the exclusion of some factions.
    Here is the knowledge you lack about mods in general, in an easy to read list!
    --Modders are not modding for money, they mod to make a more enjoyable game exeperience,
    --Large scale mods are not easy
    --Due to the sensitivity of the subject (history), it is highly likely that some nations will have to be excluded because the hardcoded faction limit is 31, with rebels/independents, that makes 30
    --Different mods have different things to offer
    --Being an a nuisance gets you nowhere, in fact, it hurts your cause
    --Mods are free, so try as many as you want.
    --There are many helpful modding resources on various websites (I like the one here the best) that can give you the information to allow you to experiment with modding. After some reading, a few mod tool downloads and a lot of patience, you can add Bulgaria or Serbia to your own Vanilla M2TW or a mod of your choice. With the mod, you will have to replace factions though, in vanilla, only 21 of 31 slots are used.
    If you have any other questions, feel free to PM me. That way, the mod and you both save face.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zenith Darksea
    While this post was a little over-confrontational, I have to say that I agree with the overall sentiment. However, I don't think that Rostov-Suzdal is such a stupid choice. Now, Ireland, that's a stupid choice, but since that isn't up for discussion, it looks like I'm going to have to vote Norway.
    Look who's talking! Mr.Iwanteverysinglelittlegreekstateasafactionman.
    Anyway I voted for Seville since I think they would be the most interesting but if Norway wins I wont be too upset.
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    IrishArmenian, to be honest with you I never expected to get anywhere with this debate (if it can be called this way), as it was clear in the very beginning that your whole team is averse to any feedback and suggestions - the whole voting topic was a poor attempt at giving people the delusion that they have a say in the factions list. This is evidenced by the third faction chocie, which is a rather unpopular one and aimed at diverting votes to the original two, which were the ones your team wanted in anyway.
    However this is not what made me become "the nuissance" you write about (anyone with a different opinion is a big nuissance to you and your friends it appears), but the remark you made to the effect that a certain faction was preferred to others based on significance and a specific dance left as heritage. Looking at Caledonian's responses and his insistance on which kingdoms were "significant" and which were not, I do not feel the least sorry about anything I might have written that may have hurt anybody's feelings.

    With that said, I am going to end my participation here, so that you can go on with the mod, as it is a huge project and you should not waste any time with forumists' feedback (especially if it is not positive). Good luck.

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    Very nice looking descriptions. I think all three would be nice, but considering the faction limits, I went with Sevilla, but it was a hard choice between that and Norway.

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    I just had to vote for Rostov-Suzdal...all that steppe and nothing to fill it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kavhan Isbul
    it was clear in the very beginning that your whole team is averse to any feedback and suggestions
    Why should they, anyway? That is their mod, so that's them who decide who's in and who's out. Personally I think the modding team has spent way too much time discussing that list (and fending off various kinds of nationalists that wanted their faction in game sooo badly ).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kavhan Isbul
    IrishArmenian, to be honest with you I never expected to get anywhere with this debate (if it can be called this way), as it was clear in the very beginning that your whole team is averse to any feedback and suggestions - the whole voting topic was a poor attempt at giving people the delusion that they have a say in the factions list. This is evidenced by the third faction chocie, which is a rather unpopular one and aimed at diverting votes to the original two, which were the ones your team wanted in anyway.
    However this is not what made me become "the nuissance" you write about (anyone with a different opinion is a big nuissance to you and your friends it appears), but the remark you made to the effect that a certain faction was preferred to others based on significance and a specific dance left as heritage. Looking at Caledonian's responses and his insistance on which kingdoms were "significant" and which were not, I do not feel the least sorry about anything I might have written that may have hurt anybody's feelings.

    With that said, I am going to end my participation here, so that you can go on with the mod, as it is a huge project and you should not waste any time with forumists' feedback (especially if it is not positive). Good luck.
    Huh. Well, this post was just so poorly thought out I HAD to respond - even though I am quite aware that the fool in question has claimed that he will not return!

    Firstly: You claim that the MA team doesn't listen to any feedback or suggestions. In response to such, I'd like to point out that this "feedback" is most often DEROGATORY and brings no logic into the debate. Most often it begins and ends with name calling. Perhaps the team would actually take your input into account if you bothered to use what we like to call common courtesy!

    Secondly: This mod is in their hands. Get over it. If you have complaints without useful feedback, go make your own mod (if you're even remotely capable of such a monumental, often THANKLESS, task) or find another mod that appeals to you. All these complaints about the lack of democracy are RIDICULOUS! Mods are made by MODDERS! I find the fact that they're slowing things down to ask the public what the last faction amazing! If they bothered, as the "Democrats" seem to be wishing for, to ask the public to decide on every single faction in the mod, guess what - THIS MOD WOULD NEVER GET STARTED. Because everyone has their own opinion anyways, and the arguments would be endless.

    So, all said, I voted for Sevilla - not because I find the final choice disappointing, but because I feel that Iberian Peninsula's chaotic diplomatic situation must be properly represented! And, unlike what appears to be many of you - I DON'T CARE IF ANOTHER FACTION WINS THE VOTE. They all look good to me.

    Great job Medieval Auctoriso team. Don't let the bad apples get to you - I'm as excited as ever for this mod!

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    Default Re: Final Faction Voting Thread

    This really has nothing to do with the thread but might I ask who decided provinces for northern Europe (i.e. Scandinavia)? To that person I'd like to say: Thank you
    All the other mods have rather poorly divided provinces in Scandinavia (Norway and Sweden in particular) and it's nice to see someone putting some effort into the Scandinavian provinces as well.
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    Default Re: Final Faction Voting Thread

    My choice is Norway, because 3 factions on Iberian penisula is good enough and Kiev, Novgorod and Volga Bulgaria in the russian steppes r good enough too.
    And Denmark was too much expansive in Vanilla so there is need for another one rival.

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    I went Norway for gameplay reasons

    although Seville appeals to my imagination - how would affect getting a good reconquista between spain and the moors
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    its pevergeren.

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    Exclamation Balkan as one BIG ***** ****

    Quote Originally Posted by Caledonian Rhyfelwyr
    Slavic settlers entered the region in the 10th century and soon made it the centre of the Great Russian nation.
    Good joke, btw.

    Quote Originally Posted by Caledonian Rhyfelwyr
    Arfrisco, you're naming factions that were insignificant at 1073.
    Bulgaria didn’t exist in 1073, but why not Serbia ? Weird politics, I will say, as Serbia was initial faction when we know about 21 factions’ slots, but now with 31 is out?!

    But, why should I complain? After all, we make mod in Serbia…

    Quote Originally Posted by Sarmatian
    Serbia is in MTR, Bulgaria will be in other mods.
    Both Serbia and Bulgaria are in our mod, so why you posted here, anyway, my fellow Sarmatian?
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    My last post in MA:
    Good luck guys. You will need it, and knowledge.

    I only like how you solved heraldry, Solo is great herald , but the rest of team…

    I already wrote this, but now is clear: Balkan is septic hole! And I won’t imagine provinces in Balkan how they look…

    Quote Originally Posted by Kavhan Isbul
    With that said, I am going to end my participation here, so that you can go on with the mod, as it is a huge project and you should not waste any time with forumists' feedback (especially if it is not positive). Good luck.
    The same.

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    Default Re: Balkan as one BIG ***** ****

    Bulgaria didn’t exist in 1073, but why not Serbia ? Weird politics, I will say, as Serbia was initial faction when we know about 21 factions’ slots, but now with 31 is out?!
    i just listed serbia as an example and i sort of understand why they didnt pick it but, instead they could have croatia or something elsa. also i now see no difference between mtr and ma since norway has won. if they wanted another catholic faction add burgundy since western europe is now empty(two factions for a 1/5 of the map, scandanavia is 1/15).the only difference is genoa but even thats not enough to make me choose this mod over the people that made rtr. also after seeing rostov-suzdal i really lost faith. sorry. i had such high hopes.

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    Default Re: Final Faction Voting Thread

    Hehe, yeah Ireland is a bad choice and it seems like a little bit of bias as to why it's in and maybe they were able to find more historical evidence for it opposed to other factions, but I think Ireland should cede and have Norway and Sevilla!
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