Romanian Factions Requierd

**Lothar** · 03-01-2007, 00:59

i think all of you know about the importance of romanian small kindoms north of danube. they posed a constant pain in the neck for the otoman empire, fought hungaryan royalty more than once and polish royalty (moldavian lords). it would be non realistic to miss them. they stoped the turkish advance northwards of the danube with fights like: the battle of rovine (if my memory serves me right Mircea cel Batran defeated baiazid with 5000 men, baiazid had about 15000) or the battle of vaslui, cetatea alba in the case of moldavian lord Stefan cel Mare. Also i think it is wrong to make Transilvania as a province of hungary, they had on more than one ocassion independence, for a short time but in that time they stopped the conquest of belgrad city under the rule of Iancu Corvine de Hunedoara. Even if valachian ppl are north and sout of the danube, under the rule of different powers in the area, there was a powerfull salv-valachian kingdom that defeated the bizantine empire unde the rule of King Ioan I and obtained independence. As for the northern danube there where small(one province) kingdoms that unified, transilvania was conquered by then by the hungarians. even so valachians that were between danube and southern carpatian mountains defeated hungary in 1330. moldavia (dont know the exact years, will check on it if this is approved) was formed with hungarian support by lord dragos. later on in 1600 all three kingdoms were united by mihai viteazul, union that laste 1 year. in any case in 1080 TRANSILVANIA WAS NOT UNDER HUNGARIAN RULE. it was split in 3 main kingdoms ruled by: gelu, gila and menumorut. all three fought the hungarians and by this bought time for Moldavia and Valachia to be born. If any of the mods want to hear me out, i will present materials regarding this matter, with dates,battles,cities.

one more thing the city of bucharest didnt exist in 1080, it apeared in the late half on the IV century, under the rule of Vlad Tepes (also known as Vlad Dracul or Dracula as many ar more familiar with this and also Dracula ruled Valachia in 3 stages beeing betrayed by Matei Corvine, duke of Transilvania).

PS: Vlad Tepes did not sucked ppl blood, wasnt a vampire, he punished thieves by impaling them with thick wooden spears, in english his name is: Vlad the Impaler)

**Innocentius** · 03-01-2007, 16:51

[sarkasm]Yes, and Sweden didn't exist by 1080 either, but it's predecessor did and it would be very unrealistic to leave out a warring little faction that 600 years later ruled more than half of the Baltic Sea coast!!!!!!!11oneone
And Stockholm didn't exist in 1080 either but did not appear as town untill the 1250-ies! Include Sweden even though it had no significance what so ever in 1080!!!!11one[/sarkasm]

PS. The html-code for sarkasm isn't working properly.

**Lothar** · 03-02-2007, 15:01

ok if u think that about sweden and if it true no problem, but even before 1080 vlachian population played an important role in the balkans. if you do not know what happened in that area please do not spamm.

**Innocentius** · 03-02-2007, 16:12

Darn those sarcasm-tags! They apparently don't work...

Anyway, since you didn't notice that I was being sarcastic: One might wonder what is spam...
Another put-this-country-in-because-I-live-here-and-it's-important-to-me post (that won't effect anything anyway since the faction list has already been declared) isn't very constructive really. Besides, like so many other minor kingdoms the Romanian factions could easily be represented by rebels instead. I really wonder why all local patritos sign up and head straight for the mod-section to complain about this and that area not being in the mod. Do I sense a conspiracy here?

**Triglav** · 03-03-2007, 13:56

I'd say it's mainly because of general ignorance for "lesser known parts of history in nowadays-popular-culture-determined perception".

For instance...Since the movie Braveheart came out, Scotland was featured in numerous computer games (MTW2 included) though it was really quite an insignificant kingdom. Yet people nowadas have a much better awareness of what may have gone on in Scotland, which didn't really change the course of European history that much, than they do of what went on in the Balkans or the Iberian penninsula, where eventually the spread of Islam was halted, thus resulting in a Christian Europe...

Kingdoms that may have been players back then, but are less significant today tend to be overlooked in favour of those that may have or may not have been important then, but are ore influential now. Thus a "Germany" or a "France" are featured in most medieval games, though they were as much a collection of warring little states as the Balkans were...

**Arbaces** · 03-03-2007, 14:25

I'm working something out, starting to get taste for MTW2 modding. Yesterday I first looked in the paks... I'll do a mod not just with Vlachs.. but I started with them anyway. Even started a logo, but I'm not so happy with the current symbol (below)... it looks to... modern, I think it will work better with the current symbol of the Arges county.

Vlachs were a very important faction, or... I'd rather say an important shield for Hungary in the late era. But of course the gameplay will be quite hard at the beginning since Hungary always wants to expand in Romania.
As I'm progressing I might think of Moldova and/or the Transylvanian kingdoms too, but as I said... yesterday I first opened the paks, and looked around, so I've just begun, this is the first time I mention.

Some concepts would be a good helping hand... hard to find vlach medieval units on the internet, no, I mean impossible.

Arbaces.

EDIT: Sorry I haven't noticed is in MTR sub-forum, what I said is not related to MTR, is just about me. Good luck to you guys as well!

**Innocentius** · 03-03-2007, 14:32

Well, one main difference being that France had one king and the HRE had one emperor. France and the HRE were not warring little states in the same way as the 10+ kingdoms in the Balkans. Sure they had a lot of problems due to the feudal system, but they were still kingdoms. I'm not saying that the Balkans were insignificant, but you just can't put all those 10 little kingdoms in just because they existed. And I'm pretty sure that England, France and Germany had a greater impact on world history in the end...

Braveheart was released some 5-7 years before MTW was released (it's a pretty bad movie btw). And I'd be careful to say that Scotland was an insignificant kingdom, especially considering what role Scotland played in the Tudor-era and during the civil wars.
I'd love to see a movie about, let's say the Serbian empire or the Byzantine-Bulgarian wars, and I'd find that much more interesting than Braveheart (given that a talented director gets to do it of course, and one who knows something about history unlike mr Gibson).

The spread of Islam was stopped somewhere in Anatolia. The Ottoman Turks never expanded simply for conversion, they did it for more politicial and economical reasons. There were plenty of christians in the Balkans even during the Ottoman (muslim) rule.

**Baldwin of Jerusalem** · 06-07-2007, 14:43

Originally Posted by Triglav

I'd say it's mainly because of general ignorance for "lesser known parts of history in nowadays-popular-culture-determined perception".

For instance...Since the movie Braveheart came out, Scotland was featured in numerous computer games (MTW2 included) though it was really quite an insignificant kingdom. Yet people nowadas have a much better awareness of what may have gone on in Scotland, which didn't really change the course of European history that much, than they do of what went on in the Balkans or the Iberian penninsula, where eventually the spread of Islam was halted, thus resulting in a Christian Europe...

Kingdoms that may have been players back then, but are less significant today tend to be overlooked in favour of those that may have or may not have been important then, but are ore influential now. Thus a "Germany" or a "France" are featured in most medieval games, though they were as much a collection of warring little states as the Balkans were...

Good answer.