District of Columbia....
Aha!!! The secret connection between the US and the cocain cartels!
District of Columbia....
Aha!!! The secret connection between the US and the cocain cartels!
You may not care about war, but war cares about you!
if the americans are SO dumb, uneducated so on and so on, i find it hard that you can in your words say they are the most industrialized and civilized nation.
being a nation of retards like you and your fellow russian friends are portraying them as is simply unfair and contrary to them being civilized and industrialized-your words
additionally and i mean not a word of what i am saying here, but i could make a nice little story up about modern russia, that it is full of corrupt people, ran by the mob, and is in a horrible economic situation, so on and on and on and then say something retarded & unfounded like "all russians are idiots" or something similarly untrue and generalized and simplified
now tell me, how would you respond to something like that? how would that make YOU feel?
OR how about i bring many of the european comedy shows on the air waves and based on a comedy skit, make a damning and degrading comment(s) about them and their nation?
But that would be ridiculous and unfounded, yet it is OK for you to do that very thing? i am sorry i just really fail to see the even handed moral judegment that goes along with this line of reasoning
furthermore, i have been to america and know a little bit about american history and culture myself. the history of america and their culture is very different than that of europe
europeans always think of themselves, at least loosely as a group unto themselves, they have much history with eachother, and interaction thus they have that mindset
The US has throughout it's history generally stood apart from the world, they are more inidvidual thinking than many cultures
additionally it is hardly comparable to compare countries like the US with certain other countries, for instance, with the exception of Russia, the US is prby larger in landmass than all of europe
the state of texas would be a very large european country
furthermore you know alot about russian history and that of areas in that area and maybe more. but how much did you know about US histroy before you went there?
people here say i cant beleive US doesnt know such and such country, or battle from 1200, or this king therefore they, the US in this case is ignorant.
i wonder, if someone from the US asked you what was the significance of Bulls run, saratoga, the whiskey rebellion, the james madison presidency, point out the state delaware and so on
how many russians would be right on? or any other country for that matter? hmmmmmmm
i have been lucky enough in my life to meet many people of differing cultures and nations, and i have noticed one truth, and that is they all have their faults and they share for all intents and purposes the same faults
and that is because they are all human
Quote Originally posted by Galestrum:
it also makes me question why you left the obviously, vastly superior russia for the US
perhaps you went there to lead them out of the dark ages? or to hold their hands, pat their heads and tell them everything will be ok?
it saddens me that the very same people claiming aggrieved status then go on to insult another unconnected country
in russian, english, or any language that is known as hypocricy[/QUOTE]
First of all I left Ukraine, because it was that just Ukraine, and not the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic or even the Malorusiy province of the Russian Empire. And because my father got in to a lot of problems with the Russian Mafia.
Secondly, I admit that US is better than Russia at the moment. And it is better because of liberalism coming to Russia. (I am not a communist, so I don't want people to start trashing me about a realy fu#$%^ up economic system that I don't believe in, I am a supporter of totalitarism, countries like Russia need the "Iron Hand", it doesn't metter if the man suppliying it is called Grand Knize, Czar, Emperor, General Secratery, or even the President) But Galestrum, if you look closely at our situation in US today, you will see the same sparks of Liberalism that were seen in USSR in 1985, there they were called Glasnosti, here it is called ACLU. So I am very afraid that my second home is/will turn into the same situation that my first home turned into. And this is a problem that US has faced before, FDR's "Republic of Soup Kitchens", Johnson's "Great Society", and Clinton's " Everybody equal crap". In the past Americans were educated and cared about their country. For every idiot FDR, Johnson, and Carter, were Eisenhower, Nixon, and (my favorite) Ronald Reagen. Unfortunetely todays generation doesn't give a f@#$, and you know it! You obvioulsy know history, look at what happened to every great nation that had gone Liberalisticly crazy: Ancient Rome, the absolute power of the Emperors was wrong, the Liberal power of the Senate was right, result 476AD. (While the Eastern Roman empire held its absolutism, and survived another almost 1000 years.) France of the Borbons, need I tell anyone about what happened after the Tennis Court Oath. France of Napoleon III, need I tell anyone about the French Comune. And of coarse the greatest murders done by Liberalism,Russian Empire and the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics.
I am afraid because people in the US who don't care to know the name of their capitol, won't care if thier coutry is slowly destroying itself, until it is way to late.
"I have come on the enemy, thus the enemy has already lost" Napoleon.
also czar i posted the name of the books and the pages i got that information from, you can read for yourself, maybe even learn something, or at the very least enjoy some good reading as you appear to like to learn/read/and have fun with history
in my posts regarding the issue, i did not imply kiev and the rus were part of the empire, but they were in effect what historians called a client-state. the byzantines during that time were the more dominant of the two in that relationship, that is not up for debate, i am sorry
it would be the equivalent of me saying poland, or georgia had as much influence as russia in the USSR days....it is just not true no matter how much you want to argue about it.
i never said anything like russia was trampled and bowed down before the great byzantines, etc. The Rus got some very important things from the byzantines, and the byzantines benefitted as well from a fairly secure northern border and ally
the battles which i quoted arent made up just for laughs, they did happen and those were the results and circumstances surrounding them. now if you want to put more stock on the primary chroncile of a dark age people over that of all the established nations of the med and middle east, that is your perogative
i am sorry to hear of your family's plight, and almost eerie that mentioned the russian mob in a prior reply =/
Quote Originally posted by Galestrum:
Dom,
why on earth you feel the need to attempt to insult the US (which has had nothing to do with this discussion) is beyond me?
10.000 more americans will be able to point out the country on the map now.
Ignorance is rife
it sure is.......
[/QUOTE]
Err, it was a part of different discussion between me and Siena, and it does fit into context.
And if it insults you... well be insulted
no it just goes to show your misplaced arrogance in yourself, and the proof that ignorance is rife within you
Just because I don't know about medieval russian history doesn't mean I'm dumb. I know alot about western medieval history, particulary english history. And I'm 13.
LoL, dude watch the TV news and your TV programs and hear what they say about american ppl. If they are not saying that americans are getting fatter, dumber and lazier, then I stand corrected.
On the other hand this is exactly the sort of people that are needed at the moment. and, unlike Alex, I do not believe it will lead to downfall of USofA. The elite of the society is not covered in the understanding of "ppl". It will only make it stronger and in the meantime, will give me something to smile about.
BTW this is way off topic, next time plz do not back up your arguement saying I did 5-page report on Ancient Russia so I'd know. I have written 5-page timed essays and lots of them and i am still not quite sure.
If you are on some sort of crusade to discredit russian history (based on your 5 page report) then do not whine when it hits close to home.
Regards, Ryurik
[This message has been edited by Dom (edited 07-31-2002).]
Quote Originally posted by Galestrum:
no it just goes to show your misplaced arrogance in yourself, and the proof that ignorance is rife within you[/QUOTE]
arn't you just taking this a little to seriously now? your just going way over the top, maybe you should calm down a little? :s
Quote Originally posted by Galestrum:
if the americans are SO dumb, uneducated so on and so on, i find it hard that you can in your words say they are the most industrialized and civilized nation.
being a nation of retards like you and your fellow russian friends are portraying them as is simply unfair and contrary to them being civilized and industrialized-your words
additionally and i mean not a word of what i am saying here, but i could make a nice little story up about modern russia, that it is full of corrupt people, ran by the mob, and is in a horrible economic situation, so on and on and on and then say something retarded & unfounded like "all russians are idiots" or something similarly untrue and generalized and simplified
now tell me, how would you respond to something like that? how would that make YOU feel?
OR how about i bring many of the european comedy shows on the air waves and based on a comedy skit, make a damning and degrading comment(s) about them and their nation?
But that would be ridiculous and unfounded, yet it is OK for you to do that very thing? i am sorry i just really fail to see the even handed moral judegment that goes along with this line of reasoning
furthermore, i have been to america and know a little bit about american history and culture myself. the history of america and their culture is very different than that of europe
europeans always think of themselves, at least loosely as a group unto themselves, they have much history with eachother, and interaction thus they have that mindset
The US has throughout it's history generally stood apart from the world, they are more inidvidual thinking than many cultures
additionally it is hardly comparable to compare countries like the US with certain other countries, for instance, with the exception of Russia, the US is prby larger in landmass than all of europe
the state of texas would be a very large european country
furthermore you know alot about russian history and that of areas in that area and maybe more. but how much did you know about US histroy before you went there?
people here say i cant beleive US doesnt know such and such country, or battle from 1200, or this king therefore they, the US in this case is ignorant.
i wonder, if someone from the US asked you what was the significance of Bulls run, saratoga, the whiskey rebellion, the james madison presidency, point out the state delaware and so on
how many russians would be right on? or any other country for that matter? hmmmmmmm
i have been lucky enough in my life to meet many people of differing cultures and nations, and i have noticed one truth, and that is they all have their faults and they share for all intents and purposes the same faults
and that is because they are all human[/QUOTE]
What you say is true, but also false, let me try to explain. What you think of Americans is based on the achievements of US, and these are great achievenments. But somehow( and I don't know how) these achievenmtnes are not reflective of the masses. I have gone to US schools for a long time now, and I went to Russian school for a time. And let me tell you my opnion of how they compare. ( I think I have the right to compare since I have experienced both) In US, and I go to "Central Academy" where the best students from all around Des Moines are sent by their scores on the Iowa Test of Basic Scills( I include that not to show off, but to show that I am not talking about people that are the worst of the worst, but the best of the best) There are maybe 10 people in this select group who are very smart. In Russia in my school No. 272 in Kiev, (also very selective because the only reason I got in was because my Grandfather was assistant Minister of Trasnportation in Ukraininan CCR.) there was also about five very smart people. So you are right to say that every nation has smart and dumb people. US has more very smart people than most other nations, but the problem starts when you get to the main body of the school. The problem is that very few Americans, very few know the answers to these questions" In my AP (Advanced Placement) US History Class we had people not sure which side of the Civil War was fighting for the freedom of slaves, and this is a AP class, the best of the best. While in Russia, before I left anyway( I don't know the effect of the dismemberment of USSR, and the resulting economic spiral has caused on the educational inforsturcture)there were not as many very smart people, but we din't have a single person who didn't know which side was for what int the Civil War of 1917-1921 or even 1598-1613.
I fully meant what I said about US being the best and the most industrialized and civilized nation in the world" but unfortunetely that doesn't reflect the people I have met in US. They are very good people and they are my friends, but they are not to Historically bright, hell my best friend couldn't find Russia on the map, because it was a pre-1991 map.
PS: Nobody has the right to portray US as a dumb nation especilly some one who immegrated to the it, like me! I don't think thats what I am doing. But I think that it is fair to say that the Russian Educatinal system is much better than American. I don't know anything about the European educational system, so I don't say anything about it. But when I start talking to fellow foreigners, I don't have to explain everytime that I am from Kiev, which is now in the Ukraine, and that Ukraine was one of the republics of the Soviet Union, which was a nation that fought with the US in the Cold War. The Cold War was....
"I have come on the enemy, thus the enemy has already lost" Napoleon.
Sorry czar, i should read your whole post before i reply.
[This message has been edited by Stephen Hummell (edited 07-31-2002).]
Quote Originally posted by Stephen Hummell:
Just because I don't know about medieval russian history doesn't mean I'm dumb. I know alot about western medieval history, particulary english history. And I'm 13. [/QUOTE]
Having nothing to say doesn't mean you have to say it. Unless you want to up your post count.
P.S. and well done on knowing a lot of Medieveal History at 13. Hope it will do you some good.
Regards, Ryruik
Quote Originally posted by Dom:
P.S. and well done on knowing a lot of Medieveal History at 13. Hope it will do you some good.
Regards, Ryruik[/QUOTE]
wait...is this sarcastic or genuine?
Quote Originally posted by Galestrum:
also czar i posted the name of the books and the pages i got that information from, you can read for yourself, maybe even learn something, or at the very least enjoy some good reading as you appear to like to learn/read/and have fun with history
in my posts regarding the issue, i did not imply kiev and the rus were part of the empire, but they were in effect what historians called a client-state. the byzantines during that time were the more dominant of the two in that relationship, that is not up for debate, i am sorry
it would be the equivalent of me saying poland, or georgia had as much influence as russia in the USSR days....it is just not true no matter how much you want to argue about it.
i never said anything like russia was trampled and bowed down before the great byzantines, etc. The Rus got some very important things from the byzantines, and the byzantines benefitted as well from a fairly secure northern border and ally
the battles which i quoted arent made up just for laughs, they did happen and those were the results and circumstances surrounding them. now if you want to put more stock on the primary chroncile of a dark age people over that of all the established nations of the med and middle east, that is your perogative[/QUOTE]
No doubt about the fact that Byzantium was the "big brother" of the relationship until 1448 when the title ofMetropoliton of Russian Orthodox Church was given to a Russian.
I don't know where I implied that you made up any information let alone a battle, I obviously see that you know your history. If I did, I appologize.
Now I understand that the Primary Chronicle can be doubted, but I think that Sylvestr wouldn't lie, I mean have you ever seen a Prior lie
"I have come on the enemy, thus the enemy has already lost" Napoleon.
The thing you have to understand about Russians, ( I don't like to put words in side of other peoples mouthes, so I don't speak for Dom, but for just me) I went through pioners, and started comsomol, I have a family line that have been fighting for Russia for Centuries, thus I have to fight whereever I hear my motherland lowered from its rightful high place. Now I understand that you will laugh at me, because I see that my figting on the comp at the org, is not exectly the same as my Grandfather runing for "For Stalin, For Motherland, Forward" during the battle of Stalingrad, when he was 18 years old. But my parents took away my chance of being in the Russian army, but I thank them for this, becaue fighting for the drug profits of Kremlin Warlords is not what I call my patriotic duty.
So I defend Russia so very strongly, because like someone ( I think Siena) said all we have is the greatness of our history to talk about. But that same history gives encouragment, Russia survived the Mongols, the Poles, the Sweedes, the French, and The Fritzes(Sorry to the German members of this community, its that pioners thing again
"I have come on the enemy, thus the enemy has already lost" Napoleon.
Gentlemen this is being closed for a number of reasons.
MTW forum is for MTW
History forum is for *shock* History
Off Topic forum is for anything not covered by the other forums.
Exception is to insulting each other. No forum for that.
The reason however that it is being closed is because this is one giant thread and we have a maximum of 2500 posts for this forum. So at 130 posts this is over 5% of the capacity. So I am creating a Faction number 2... makes sense should have more then one faction.
Our genes maybe in the basement but it does not stop us chosing our point of view from the top.
Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat
Pape for global overlord!!
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