Asia ton Barbaron disscusion thread

[Malik of Sindh]

Cmon people spam us with your opinions about the faction list.

[Bootsiuv]

I'm leaving for my uni's lib in about 30 mins....lots of good books.

Is there anything else you guys would like me to look out for, faction wise?

[Malik of Sindh]

A bit on wusun,if you find anything

[Bootsiuv]

kk

I'll do my best.

Bootsiuv

[Admetos]

After long deliberation, we have decided in the best interset of the mod we are scrapping the two Greek factions. This will give us more detail in other areas.

Of course, if you can persuade us (Malik and Pharnakes), we could find a way to represent them. Also, someone could perhaps persuade us about another faction that's just been left out .

[Malik of Sindh]

Sorry,no Galatia,Admetos.

[Admetos]

I'm over that now.

[Bootsiuv]

Galatia is out?

Damnit...what is it gonna take for me to carve a barbarian empire out of asia minor...I suppose I'll have to mass migrate my Getai?

Sorry to hear that it's out, like someone said another playable galatia does not exist as far as I know.

I do understand why you did it though.

I, however, am glad to hear that you've axed the two factions in Southern Greece....the mod's focus should be in the east, not the west IMO.

Make them Eleutheroi, but strong eleutheroi, so Maks dont steamroll them.

I'm also glad to hear that the Romani are an emerging faction....making them playable would be akin to the eb team including maurya and making them playable...no good, considering their true capital is off of the map.

Bootsiuv

[Bootsiuv]

With seven cultures allowed can't you bring back Galatia?

I'll read your answers when I return, for now I must travel to my local uni...and look up Bosphoran, Wusun, and Atropatene. Hopefully I can find something useful relating to their military machines.

Bootsiuv

BTW, what would you need western greek for now?

I think you guys could squeeze galatia in now, and have just a greek culture.

[Malik of Sindh]

Ethiopia added to the list.

[Admetos]

We're arguing about Galatia right now. Please let them be in...

[Malik of Sindh]

but we won,so no more galatia.People we got a free slot,so please say what faction you would like in.

[CaesarAugustus]

I would eliminate bosphorus and the KH shadow to make room for a more important eastern faction. Kyrene also doen't seem worth sacrificing an eastern faction for, (sorry Malik!) it is just too insignificant for a mod based mainly on the middle-east. Yes, they might put pressure on the Ptolemies but more likely they will just get crushed unless played by the human player, much like having Syracuse as a faction in regualr EB.

[Admetos]

Both KHs have already gone.

[CaesarAugustus]

but we won,so no more galatia.People we got a free slot,so please say what faction you would like in.

What exactly are the options? And maybe you would like to make a poll?

[Malik of Sindh]

Date changed to 260 bc

[CaesarAugustus]

To accomodate Kyrene?

[Malik of Sindh]

No,to more realisticaly portrait greece,to make seleucids fractured.

[Pharnakes]

Date has been changed for a variety of reasons:

1. End of chermonidean war, all Greece goes to Maks, cept Sparta, which will now be a strong rebel faction along the lines of the eb 1.0 boii and lugii.

2. Seleucids suffering major, and I mean major internal strife. This is done to give Pontus, Pergamon, Hai and Pahahlav a chance to expand, rather than being crushed in the first ten turns.

[Malik of Sindh]

People,please post what do you think the 20th faction should be.

[Bootsiuv]

Well, Bosphorans are almost impossible to find out about pre middle ages, but I can keep trying, as I didn't have much time (my girl had class and I had a half hour to look).

I did get a few very large books, so I'll peruse those over the next few days, and hopefully it will generate something useful...

I was wondering about doing away with greece altogether moving further east, and adding China as a civ....probably pretty crazy and really moves the focus east, but it would be pretty sweet to play an EB caliber china.

Although, what I do know about ancient China escapes me right now, so I can't remember if 260 is too early to represent a united china....

Just a thought.

I'll let you guys know if I've found anything useful...

Bootsiuv

[Malik of Sindh]

China was united in 260 bc iirc.China would steamroll everyone,because of how large it is.No China in our mod.

[Admetos]

And anyway, we'd still need to have the Seleukids and Ptolies, and I can't imagine representing the Diadochi without having Greece.

[paullus]

You should include Galatia. faction list is already complete, and they're very important in the events around your start date...

Oh, and there's a good bit on the Bosphorans out there, you just gotta look pretty hard.

[CaesarAugustus]

China was united in 260 bc iirc.China would steamroll everyone,because of how large it is.No China in our mod.

No, China was united 221 BC. You would have to shift the map far east to encompass china and use up many, many province slots, not to mention about 7 factions slots to represent China accurately, so I am glad that you ruled this out.

I think Yuezhi and maybe Xiognu is enough.

[Pharnakes]

Little teaser people:

Guess the faction:


And just to make things a bit more complicated, they'renot all new factions, one or two already in eb will be undergoing minor changes.


At Palus, please, do not encourage Ademtos, Galatia is out, no need to give the poor guy false hope, now is there?

We decided that they just take up too much space.

[CaesarAugustus]

The link is not working, Pharnakes.

[Bootsiuv]

Yeah, thanks for the clarification on China....I wasn't sure, but knew it was sometime around there.

I stil wish galatia was in though....perhaps a mini mod for this unofficial mod for the eb mod....heh.

[Malik of Sindh]

Strange that you mentioned it,Admetos says he will create galatia minimod after the mod is out.

[Admetos]

That will certainly be happening Bootsiuv. I had that idea myself earlier.