Some trait changes (command stars & cursus honorum)

[||Lz3||]

Seen the elephant (whatever the heck does that mean <.<) I think you get it after 24 or so battles

[konny]

Seen the elephant (whatever the heck does that mean <.<)

It is a metaphoric term for "veteran". Troops that haven't seen elephants are most likely to panic when facing them; while soldiers who have already "seen the elephant" won't do so.

[QuintusSertorius]

Quote:
"1. Added a command star to every level of combat experience (blooded 1 command, veteran 2 command, grizzeld 3 command, STHE 4 command)"

I didn't know there was a higher experience level than grizzled. What's "STHE" and how many battles do you have to fight to get this level of combat experience

"Has Seen the Elephant" - twenty or more battles.

[Lysimachos]

edit:nevermind...

[Lysimachos]

edit: nevermind...

[DeathEmperor]

I downloaded the version that Toaster put in his post on the 2nd page.

So I take it that it's 1.1 compatible, does everything that Konny's originally did and it's non-save game compatible? The changes to the battle experience and lover of beauty traits are for all factions and not just Romani?

I haven't installed it yet since using the battle formations mod by Lysander and I'm not sure if this will clash with it.

[||Lz3||]

I downloaded the version that Toaster put in his post on the 2nd page.

So I take it that it's 1.1 compatible, does everything that Konny's originally did and it's non-save game compatible? The changes to the battle experience and lover of beauty traits are for all factions and not just Romani?

I haven't installed it yet since using the battle formations mod by Lysander and I'm not sure if this will clash with it.

there used to be something wrong with toaster's files.. sweboz traits got weird characters ... I dont know if he corrected that already ...

and yes it is compatible with formations mod (that is practically ccompatble with anything :P)

[DeathEmperor]

Wonderful thank you for answering my questions so quickly Lz3

and yes it is compatible with formations mod (that is practically ccompatble with anything :P)

Ah I honestly didn't know that Well as the saying goes, "With every passing day there is more knowledge gained."

[Medical Toaster]

I finally have a version of the files that fixes the corrupted Sweboz trait descriptions. You can find it at
http://hosted.filefront.com/MedToast

I used notepad to modify the export VnVs file which will preserve the exotic characters used in the Sweboz trait descriptions. The EDCT is completely unchanged so if you already have the mod installed you only have to replace the one file. I am not sure if this is save compatible so if you are starting a new campaign switch but if you are still working world domination I would hold off until you are finished. You can try to apply it to an active save but make sure to backup.

[hop]

I've got the EB alexander mod installed. can i use this mod with it?

[||Lz3||]

I've got the EB alexander mod installed. can i use this mod with it?

noup


well... if you dont mind doing the conversion to alex.exe changes manually you can do it... (bout 10 min)


have you seen the mod compilation?

[hop]

I have seen the mini-mod. but im not sure if i want all of the features. I just basically wanted to get my generals to have a decent ammount of command stars.

[||Lz3||]

download and apply this minimod and then do this:

NOTE: I suggest using a diferent text editor than windows default notepad...HOWEVER you MUST use windows notepad to mod the ''Rome - Total War folder/eb/data/text\export_VnVs.txt''

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Edit 3 files
a) Go - ''Rome - Total War folder/eb/data/export_descr_character_traits.txt''
Open the file and add the Immortal description at the end of trait section! That should look like this:


;------------------------------------------
;Trait: CeasesAmbassador
; o Ceases_Ambassador (1):

Trait CeasesAmbassador
Characters diplomat
AntiTraits Ambassador

Level Ceases_Ambassador
Description Ceases_Ambassador_desc
EffectsDescription Ceases_Ambassador_effects_desc
Threshold 1

;------------------------------------------
Trait Immortal
Characters family
Hidden

Level Immortal
Description Immortal_desc
EffectsDescription Immortal_effects_desc
Threshold 1

;------------------------------------------
;Mod: EBMod801 - 12/31/05 : trait to make diplomats better when stationed in a settlement for EB 0.7.2.1
;================================================= ==============
;Section: == TRIGGER DATA STARTS HERE ==
;================================================= ==============

Then save!

Then, In the same folder you should make night_battle trrigers back to use!
That should look like this!:

;------------------------------------------
;NIGHT FIGHTING SECTION
;------------------------------------------
Trigger diet_of_carrots_1
WhenToTest CharacterTurnStart

Condition Trait NightBattleCapable = 0
and IsGeneral
and Attribute Command >= 4

Affects NightBattleCapable 6 Chance 100

;------------------------------------------
Trigger diet_of_carrots_2
WhenToTest PostBattle

Condition IsGeneral
and Attribute Command >= 1
and IsNightBattle
and Trait NightBattleCapable = 0
and WonBattle

Affects NightBattleCapable 6 Chance 100

;------------------------------------------
Trigger night_battle_crushing_victory_attacker
WhenToTest PostBattle

Condition WasAttacker
and IsGeneral
and WonBattle
and BattleSuccess >= clear
and BattleOdds < 2
and IsNightBattle

Affects Noctophilia 1 Chance 100

;------------------------------------------
Trigger night_battle_crushing_victory_defender
WhenToTest PostBattle

Condition not WasAttacker
and IsGeneral
and WonBattle
and BattleSuccess >= clear
and BattleOdds < 2
and IsNightBattle

Affects Noctophilia 1 Chance 100

;------------------------------------------
Trigger night_battle_crushing_loss_attacker
WhenToTest PostBattle

Condition WasAttacker
and IsGeneral
and not WonBattle
and BattleSuccess >= clear
and BattleOdds >= 0.5
and IsNightBattle

Affects Noctophobia 1 Chance 66

;------------------------------------------
Trigger night_battle_crushing_loss_defender
WhenToTest PostBattle

Condition not WasAttacker
and IsGeneral
and not WonBattle
and BattleSuccess >= clear
and BattleOdds >= 0.5
and IsNightBattle

Affects Noctophobia 1 Chance 66
;------------------------------------------
; StrategicSkill shown by bringing bigger battalions
;------------------------------------------

b) Go - ''Rome - Total War folder/eb/data/export_descr_VnVs_enums.txt''
Open the file and add the specified enums at the far end of the txt file! That should look like this:

Immortal
Immortal_desc
Immortal_effects_desc
Night_Fighter
Night_Fighter_desc
Night_Fighter_effects_desc
Noctophiliac
Noctophiliac_desc
Noctophiliac_effects_desc

Then save !

c) Go - ''Rome - Total War folder/eb/data/text\export_VnVs.txt'' Add one trait and replace one trait ''Rome - Total War folder/eb/data/text\export_VnVs.txt'' folder!


REPLACE

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{Legendary_Hero} Legendary Hero

{Legendary_Hero_desc}
Like Horatius, this man's bravery knows no bounds. He is rightly famed among Romans as Aeneas reborn, or even a new Romulus!

{Legendary_Hero_effects_desc}
+4 Morale for all troops on the battlefield, +1 Influence

¬--------------------

WITH

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{Legendary_Hero} Legendary Hero

{Legendary_Hero_desc}
Like Horatius, this man's bravery knows no bounds. He is rightly famed among Romans as Aeneas reborn, or even a new Romulus!

{Legendary_Hero_effects_desc}
+4 Morale for all troops on the battlefield, +1 Influence

{Night_Fighter_effects_desc}
+1 Command when fighting at night

¬--------------------

AND ADD

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{Immortal} Immortal

{Immortal_desc}
Hidden immortal trait

{Immortal_effects_desc}
No Effects

That or just add the command stars to "blooded, Grizzled, Veteran and STE"

basically search for "Blooded" in the EDCT file and make it look like this (just add "Effect command [the corresponding number]")

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Level Blooded
        Description Blooded_desc
        EffectsDescription Blooded_effects_desc
        Threshold  2
        
        Effect Command  1

    Level Veteran
        Description Veteran_desc
        EffectsDescription Veteran_effects_desc
        Threshold  5

	Effect Command  2
	
    Level Grizzled
        Description Grizzled_desc
        EffectsDescription Grizzled_effects_desc
        Threshold  10
        
        Effect Command  3

    Level Seen_The_Elephant
        Description Seen_The_Elephant_desc
        EffectsDescription Seen_The_Elephant_effects_desc
        Threshold  25
        
        Effect Command  4

however this way will only get you the stars... not the cursus honorum

[hop]

Thats great thanks. never tried doing this before. So i will see what happens! cheers

[||Lz3||]

Thats great thanks. never tried doing this before. So i will see what happens! cheers

did you saw my post above after I edited it?

I think I found an easier way to get only the stars

[hop]

Yep i saw that thanks. I will use that method instead. Just finding what program to use to edit that edct file. Thanks for the help and quick replies

[||Lz3||]

a note worth mentioning is that you will get the stars... however when you place the cursor over the trait in the character's window it wont say anything about gaining comand stars... if you wish it to represent those changes just open the export_VnVs file (in EB/Data/text folder) with windows default text editor and search again for "blooded" and make it look like this

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

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{Blooded}	Blooded

{Blooded_desc}
This man has seen battle, and is familiar with giving orders.

{Blooded_effects_desc}
He has commanded at least one battle, and has gained enough experience to understand the nature of command. The men under his command are still likely to lack confidence in him (though some experience is better than none). Command +1.  

¬--------------------

{Veteran}	Veteran

{Veteran_desc}
This man has seen his share of battles, and knows the likely results of his orders.

{Veteran_effects_desc}
He has commanded in at least four battles; his experience makes his men more confident in his abilities. Command +2.

¬--------------------

{Grizzled}	Grizzled

{Grizzled_desc}
This man has commanded many battles, and is well-accustomed to war.

{Grizzled_effects_desc}
He has commanded in at least nine battles; his experience makes his men more confident in his abilities. Command +3.

¬--------------------

{Seen_The_Elephant}	Seen The Elephant

{Seen_The_Elephant_desc}
This man's battles are too many to count!

{Seen_The_Elephant_effects_desc}
He has commanded in twenty-five battles or more; his experience makes his men more confident in his abilities. Command +4.

¬--------------------

good luck it's not hard at all

[Cullhwch]

You could fix the whole mess by getting rid of the whole convuluted BecomesBetterGeneral and BattlePoints series of traits. If you just use the Vanillaish system of awarding command stars things just work better in less lines. I copied the original triggers, halved the chances of success per tier (split them between GoodLeader and GoodTactician due to the absence of GoodCommander), and now my generals can actually GO UP IN RANK after stunning victories.

[Gnostiko]

Excellent sounding mini-mod, but which version is needed? Sounds like there's an update on the last page rendering the original moot. Is it also incompatible with Alex.exe?

[konny]

The download on page 1 is for EB 1.0 but the other for EB 1.1. For the ALX.exe you need the immortal trait. I am not sure if this is part of the 1.1 download, but you can easyly ad it using the instruction in the Alex-EB thread here on this forum.

[Gnostiko]

Right, so all I'd need for alex is the 1.1 download and the immortal fix?


edit: thought I knew where it was but no...where can I find the immortal fix?

[||Lz3||]

Right, so all I'd need for alex is the 1.1 download and the immortal fix?


edit: thought I knew where it was but no...where can I find the immortal fix?

if you enter the alex eb thread there's a section explaining how to change the exe to alexander's, no matter which files you're using

[Gnostiko]

Is it possible to get this working for AlexEB? When I try to use it, either by copy/pasting the files or manually editing it crashes the game or won't even let me start a new campaign. It works fine with alex.exe, but not the alex mod

[||Lz3||]

you need to manually add the changes (no overwriting files)

to do so you need to edit

EDCT

export_vnvs.text (or something in the text folder-NOTE use windows notepad for this one)

export_vnvs (something like that in the data folder)

I suggest downloading winmerge , its a program tha compares 2 files and says in what they're different

[Gnostiko]

you need to manually add the changes (no overwriting files)

Hmmm, I thought I would have to, but when I did it last night I couldn't start a new campaign, and my current game crashed when I clicked end turn.

Question: why is it everyone has been pointing out that notepad should be avoided? Is this because of taste or incompatibility?

[/Bean\]

Konny the link on the first page doesnt seem to work, says the file i'm looking for is not valid. Alright if you check it out?

[konny]

The link on page 1 is for EB 1.0; you shouldn't use that. There is a link for an EB 1.1 version some pages later.

Question: why is it everyone has been pointing out that notepad should be avoided? Is this because of taste or incompatibility?

Notepad tends to safe this particular file in the wrong encoding (don't know why it does it).

[||Lz3||]

maybe you could edit first post with the new link though

[theoldbelgian]

is the 1,1 link also compatible with 1,2?

[Medical Toaster]

The 1.1 link is not compatible with 1.2. I will get a new version ready sometime this week.