Capo de Tutti Capi - II [Concluded]

[CountArach]

That whole thing died with Mafia VII, which you were a part of, IIRC.

Yes I remember that and I was his scum-buddy I believe.He found a loop-hole in the statement. If we can make a loop-hole-less statement then we are fine.

As to knowing norwegian nerd - we have met on another forum, as he implied.
EDIT: Just read back over his comments and I must say... I don't know why he trusts me... I know that I certainly don't trust him...

After looking back over the rules that the Director has, I choose to change my vote for Director:
Unselect: Farad
Select: Kommodus
I missed the last little bit that made them immune to killings, something that might help keep Kommo alive.

[seireikhaan]

Yes I remember that and I was his scum-buddy I believe.He found a loop-hole in the statement. If we can make a loop-hole-less statement then we are fine.

Trouble is, making sure that its free of loopholes. His loophole in that game was as tiny as the difference between Mafia and mafia(first letter). Frankly, I don't trust any question we can come up with, as he'll(if he's mafia) somehow find a loophole around it.

[Csargo]

Looking at the rules, in particular those for the succession when the Don is dead, it does imply that the Mades (of whom the Luca is one) know each other, unless they are kept in the dark at the start and only informed by Seamus when the time comes. We could ask GH about this, as it would relate to his previous game's experience and not this game's, and thus it wouldn't be technically breaking any rules. Perhaps Seamus can clarify this point.

One option would be for norwegian's buddy to step up, for both of them to state their roles and their relation to each other, and for us to lynch one of them. If the investigation proves they were telling the truth, then the other will be a confirmed pro-townie who can be protected for the rest of the game. And given that players are supposed to play for a team win, sacrificing one townie in order to guarantee the innocence of the other should be a price worth paying, especially since townies can upgrade once they've participated in enough night actions.

But if norwegian is unwilling to open up, then the best course would be to lynch him, given what we know of the game.

You may be right, but it still doesn't make sense for norwegian to come out like that if he is mafia. Though it begs the question, why aren't you questioning why Glenn seems to trust GH for no apparent reason? Why are you just going after norwegian? Why focus on one person when you have so many other people to question? It doesn't make any sense in my opinion.

[norwegian nerd]

Yes I remember that and I was his scum-buddy I believe.He found a loop-hole in the statement. If we can make a loop-hole-less statement then we are fine.

As to knowing norwegian nerd - we have met on another forum, as he implied.
EDIT: Just read back over his comments and I must say... I don't know why he trusts me... I know that I certainly don't trust him...

After looking back over the rules that the Director has, I choose to change my vote for Director:
Unselect: Farad
Select: Kommodus
I missed the last little bit that made them immune to killings, something that might help keep Kommo alive.

I never said I trusted you... I said I knew who you where.

[Kommodus]

Select: Ichigo

Since at this point everyone is equally trustworthy (and equally untrustworthy), I'm picking someone whose instincts and experience have proven quality.

[Pannonian]

You may be right, but it still doesn't make sense for norwegian to come out like that if he is mafia. Though it begs the question, why aren't you questioning why Glenn seems to trust GH for no apparent reason? Why are you just going after norwegian? Why focus on one person when you have so many other people to question? It doesn't make any sense in my opinion.

Because norwegian's stated that he knows the ID of another player, in a game where by default townies don't know who each other are? Go back a couple of pages and you'll find a post by norwegian that said that he doesn't trust anyone except his buddy, which prompted me to probe him further, which eventually led to that damning statement. We've seen blunders like this before, like Kralizec's in Capo 1 that led us to Beirut, with the difference being that I caught norwegian's post and quoted it so it can't be denied later.

Trouble is, making sure that its free of loopholes. His loophole in that game was as tiny as the difference between Mafia and mafia(first letter). Frankly, I don't trust any question we can come up with, as he'll(if he's mafia) somehow find a loophole around it.

And more to the point, as I said even before M7, staking his truthfulness takes the fun out of the game.

[norwegian nerd]

Even if you hadn't quoted it, I wouldn't have edited it. I have nothing to hide.

[Drisos]

Selecting abstain seems rather pointless to me

it's just to prove they're not lurkers :P hehe :P

since when was I ever not pointless...

I know I can trust him because the gamemaster told me I could trust him and if I don't trust the gamemaster there isn't much point in playing a game of mafia.
What makes you belive I shouldn't trust him?

this indeed seems rather indicating for a mafia role.. of course, I don't know all kinds of pm's sent to the different roles, but when I compare mine to what norwegian nerd sais about his, he must be some kind of guilty, probably..

and ichigo, I can see why pannonian is going after this and not after the stuff around director selection.. this is more serious. at least, it seems. director selection seems abstract, and a slight addition to the game with few importance. voting randomly isn't normally suspicious because of this light nature.. but of course it's possible that mafia will use it to their advantage.

I must say though, I'd much rather lynch NN then Glenn now.

[ajaxfetish]

Well, since I have no past experience to guide me, and it still seems mostly a random decision,

select: Andres

Let Chaos Reign.

Ajax

[taka]

select: kommodus

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I intend to

Select: GeneralHankerchief

One who I currently trust, and who will be a popular candidate for the axe if he isn't elected to prove his worth.

I am paranoid of what will be thought of everything I write!

So I must edit to say I trust GeneralHankerchief because I believe he would be given a more moderate role this time - instead of a largely evil one such as in previous games.

Don't credit my guess too faithfully..

History shows us that mafia often tries to get their own elected as director. Two things about this post:

He is paranoid about his posts, and edited it to add reason. Mafiosos are more paranoid than townies. His reasoning for selection is also bogus as has been pointed out.

If everyone voted for themselves, and Seamus was forced to randomly choose a director then it could also be bad. We are better off just voting for the people who we think will make a difference. Anyways, is the Director really all that influential in the long run. Yes he is immube to death, but it is not like he gets an INSTA KILL! on anyone he wants. We need to choose a safer player, someone who is reliable and is known for telling the truth. Then again, since they are random roles, that person could be the Don, but honestly what are the chances that on the first day out of 79 players and 4/5 Dones one is picked?

I say we go for someone. If we are wrong, so what? Its the first day and I doubt it will matter much. If we are right, yea, we protected a good player for a few days and now he can go on the manhunt.

Also, I have been impressed by General Hankerchief, even though I have hardly ever seen him before. He domonstrates knowledge, and if he was scum, then why make a post about randomly selecting people?

I vote General Hankerchief

Scottish ranger also uses scummy reasoning and lots of unnecessary explanation for a vote for GH. These two stand out to me from all the nominations of GH.

I would go for Kommodus but he noted in the last game that holmes has trouble here because of the multiple mafia factions. So I will Select: Sasaki. If someone could do a tally it would be sweet.

Guys, methinks we've found our first lynch. Post 68 in case he edits it out.

I agree.

[KukriKhan]

You know, Rick, I have many a friend in Casablanca, but somehow, just because you despise me, you are the only one I trust. ...

Select: Louis VI the Fat.



I do not despise him, nor think he does me, but he's the first CdtC2 player to PM me wishing me good luck. Plus, his nick resembles our setting (Fatlington), plus I've always imagined he looked and acted as Captain Renault in that movie - quick-witted, a little corrupt, but ultimately fair-minded, with the overall good of the community his ultimate goal... a fine random selection for our first Director, in my random opinion.

[Csargo]

Because norwegian's stated that he knows the ID of another player, in a game where by default townies don't know who each other are? Go back a couple of pages and you'll find a post by norwegian that said that he doesn't trust anyone except his buddy, which prompted me to probe him further, which eventually led to that damning statement. We've seen blunders like this before, like Kralizec's in Capo 1 that led us to Beirut, with the difference being that I caught norwegian's post and quoted it so it can't be denied later.

You're probably right, but we'll have to wait until Day 2 to lynch him and see. I'm still not sure what to think of his post, but I doubt he's mafia honestly.

and ichigo, I can see why pannonian is going after this and not after the stuff around director selection.. this is more serious. at least, it seems. director selection seems abstract, and a slight addition to the game with few importance.

The director is guaranteed two rounds without being able to die. I think that's a pretty good reason to care about who selects who.

[Pannonian]

Select: Louis VI the Fat.

I do not despise him, nor think he does me, but he's the first CdtC2 player to PM me wishing me good luck. Plus, his nick resembles our setting (Fatlington), plus I've always imagined he looked and acted as Captain Renault in that movie - quick-witted, a little corrupt, but ultimately fair-minded, with the overall good of the community his ultimate goal... a fine random selection for our first Director, in my random opinion.

Is this a meatball which I see before me
The spaghetti toward my hand?

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

Select: Kommodus

[Hannibalbarc]

Even if you hadn't quoted it, I wouldn't have edited it. I have nothing to hide.

We are not allowed to edit our posts, are we?
I don't have much experience in mafia so I'll just, Select:Andres

[PershsNhpios]

Sasaki has shown that he is always probing of everyone's statements in all cases, and there are many times he was innocent and many times he was guilty and deceived everyone.
Therefore he is dangerous - yet I do not suspect him of anything.

I am, I admit, annoyed that after I joked and said I was paranoid and tried to give good reasoning for voting GH, mainly because I felt sorry for him, that someone still picked something in this to try and turn the light upon me.

Such attention is unwanted in any role.

I would ask what everyone here would have me do to avoid suspicion that Hankerchief and I are connected in this game in anyway, but until someone suggests - I will simply change my vote.

Deselect: GeneralHankerchief

Select: True Praetorian

[pevergreen]

Louis also PM'd me wishing me well, but i feel i must Elect: Pannonian

It will ease my thoughts after last game. He still hasnt accepted my apology over his forced suicide.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Scummy scummy scummy. I don't see how anyone can read your first post and come away with the impression that you were joking when you said you were paranoid (funny that you claim this after I say paranoia is a scumtell). You also said that you were voting for GH because you "trusted him" not because you felt sorry for him. It looks like you were selecting a scum buddy for director, made up some reasoning (as you say "tried to give good reasoning for voting GH") and now are trying to change that.


I'm going to vote to lynch glenn tomorrow.

Here's his first post for reference:

I intend to

Select: GeneralHankerchief

One who I currently trust, and who will be a popular candidate for the axe if he isn't elected to prove his worth.

I am paranoid of what will be thought of everything I write!

So I must edit to say I trust GeneralHankerchief because I believe he would be given a more moderate role this time - instead of a largely evil one such as in previous games.

Don't credit my guess too faithfully..

[CountArach]

We are not allowed to edit our posts, are we?
I don't have much experience in mafia so I'll just, Select:Andres

Yes we are able to edit our posts. Its just that if you do it people may take it as a sign that you edited something out and as such have something to hide. You also should never rule out that someone saw what the post was like before you edited it.

[Lt. Pinard]

Select: Kommodus.

Why not

[CountArach]

Select: Kommodus.

Why not

Bold your votes, it helps.

[Pannonian]

Louis also PM'd me wishing me well, but i feel i must Elect: Pannonian

It will ease my thoughts after last game. He still hasnt accepted my apology over his forced suicide.

No hard feelings mate.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Looking at the rules, in particular those for the succession when the Don is dead, it does imply that the Mades (of whom the Luca is one) know each other, unless they are kept in the dark at the start and only informed by Seamus when the time comes. We could ask GH about this, as it would relate to his previous game's experience and not this game's, and thus it wouldn't be technically breaking any rules. Perhaps Seamus can clarify this point.

A Mafia family starts play with 1 Don, 1 Luca, and 1 Made. All 5 families are in play.

[Lord Winter]

Derictor has some power, first of all it can protect a Don from the wrath of the town and also provides a good exscuse for staying alive. They also have a fair amount of influence in the voting selection. Even if a twonie dies its not a huge lose to the town (as long as they arn't power town), as they can still add to the debate. So the mafia have a preaty big advantage in trying to get one of there own in there. Look at the Godfather I where the role was introduced, GH was scum and got elected for basiclly the whole game. From there he was able to manipulate the town making it so all of his teammates survived. It was a crushing victory.

That being said you can see why have some distrust for GH or any really strong player getting the post, its just to dangerous in expert hands. Kommodus is two fold as Holmes it self would be preaty esay to use to manipulate the town. That being said inexperianced supicous player is better off in office then an expert suspicous player.

So I'm going to go with one of the noobs, chosen at random,

Select: Chimpyang

[pevergreen]

I would encourage a newer member to the director position.

All I can remember is GH getting killed night 1 after selecting me. Got attacked for selecting a newbie.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Bold your votes, it helps.

A Lot!

Current Tally for Director:

Kommodus - 10 (BSR, Charge, CA, Drisos, EMM, Hiji, LtP, Moros, Ry, taka)

Andres - 8 (ajax, Andres, Craterus, CR, hb, Ichi, Kami, shlin)

GH - 6 (GH, Joe, Myrd, TotD, Tin, Tb)

Sasaki - 4 (Husar, Sasaki, True, Xiahou)

Several with 1 or 2 votes.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Okay, I'm logging off for the night. A couple of quick hits before I go:

- From what I recall, Kommodus sucks as mafia. Putting him in the spotlight might not be such a bad idea.

- The question is now, do I change my vote from myself to Kommodus? After all, one can get hit both ways for this. If I keep my vote on me, I get blasted for not following above logic, people saying I'm scummy, and saying that my impending "well, the logic is sound, but I'd still rather it be me because I'm the only one I can trust" defense is weak.

- On the other hand, considering my last long post ("everybody, vote for yourselves!"), they'd say I'm a flip-flopper and that's scummy. Finally, considering that several people are under fire for selecting me (never mind that Seamus just posted that the initial families get two people they know and I have roughly six votes ), backing off and voting someone else would also be considered scummy.

Ahh, Capo.

Anyway, I'd rather be hit with the allegations coming from my first choice, so I'm leaving my vote on me right now.

G'night.

[PershsNhpios]

Either you are putting me under as much pressure as possible to determine my role, Sasaki, or you consider me a personal threat to your own safety and so refuse to see any innocence in whatever I say.

At this rate, if anybody shows any affection for anyone in this thread, they will have given - apparently - sufficient evidence for a lynching.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

You haven't responded to the meat of my accusation.

Why would I have considered you a personal threat?

Finally, considering that several people are under fire for selecting me (never mind that Seamus just posted that the initial families get two people they know and I have roughly six votes ),

The number of votes for you is irrelevant, it is the manner in which those votes are made that is important.