Broken Crescent Hotseat: Commanders of the Faithful

[Askthepizzaguy]

OK! File working now

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Hey!

If we are to delete the added troops, doesn't it makes sense to give me the florins I was supposed to start with?

Nevermind. I will make do. I grow weary of not being able to play.

[Charge]

On a side note: deleting spawn entries for these armies in campaign script (and all sp-only stuff) fixes it for my one-player's-hotseat... (not save game compatible though..)

Is it a good idea for next hotseat?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Ok where do I upload the save turn file to?

[Ramses II CP]

The Org's own filespace:

http://www.totalwar.org/Downloads/Up.../pbmupload.php

edit: Also, FYI, there's an alternate in the event the one above is down:

http://www.mizus.com/files/pbmupload.php

[Askthepizzaguy]

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/BC_02-13.zip

I hope the link works.

[Ramses II CP]

Link works, couldn'te test save.

[deguerra]

its my turn, will try it now

[Askthepizzaguy]

Kind Mr. Deguerra, please wait. The administrator of this game needs to rectify a very unfair situation first.

The game is spawning armies for human factions. The admin needs to eliminate these armies if the game is to be fair.

Not just for the Turks, but the ERE as well, I contend.

EDIT: Sorry all! I truly do not mean to be a party pooper!

Let's get the game fixed and back on track. I know it will be fun once things get rolling.

[deguerra]

orright ive done my turn. will wait to see what phonicsmonkey says before posting it

[Askthepizzaguy]

I thank you all for patience in this matter.

[rossahh]

How could the ERE get free stacks when they were always a human-controlled faction?

The Ayyubids didn't get their free stacks even though they started as an AI but were switched to human control.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I don't understand it either. But the evidence speaks for itself, I have presented it to phonicsmonkey for his inspection.

I will submit to his ruling on the matter, however I can prove beyond any doubt that it is impossible for the ERE to recruit that many troops by turn 2, especially the type and quality of those troops.

The evidence is unmistakeable. I will most likely be vindicated here, and if not...

As I said, I will submit to phonicsmonkey's judgment on this matter.

[rossahh]

Start a fresh campaign as the ERE, build as many troops / hire as many mercenaries as possible in two turns and then march them all eastwards, see how it goes and then ask yourself whether it's familiar or not.

If you're still not convinced, start a new one as the Turks, turn of FOW, end the first few turns and see whether it's scripted for them to get some free stacks (I have no idea, I've never been the Turks).

[Askthepizzaguy]

Thats EXACTLY what I did when I saw those stacks. It's well beyond anything a human can accomplish. That is why I am 100 percent certain.

It's no fault of Lemongate. It's the program which is simply doing what it is programmed to do. I am just asking for a fix.

EDIT: I have also played as the Turks on single player. They are exactly the number, type, and location of the spawned AI armies.

[rossahh]

Well, as the Turks, the ERE got two fresh stacks of troops in turn 1, so that's possible (under the family members Basil and Dramos?).

You could build a fair few troops though within 2 turns, the problem would be pooling them together to make big armies as you're pretty spread out at the start.

[Askthepizzaguy]

At present with the (allegedly) illegal armies of the ERE, it is a forced win if they simply march east. There is literally nothing I can do. I can't even amass (censored number) stacks of bad troops, let alone (censored number) or more good ones. If it were possible for me to compensate for this somehow, I might be a good sport and just take it as a challenge. But it's simply not doable versus a competent human will illegal armies.

[rossahh]

Are the names of the generals Basil and Dragos? They are the names of the two who are spawned in sp with the stacks.

[Askthepizzaguy]

didn't catch their names. Was too busy putting my jaw back on my face at the troop levels and type of troops.

Imagine General George Washington driving a tank. That's the equivalent of what I saw.

Anyways. Let's let PM decide.

[phonicsmonkey]

ok, let me take a look and I'll let you know

if the game has spawned extra stacks for the ERE I'll jump in at the beginning of The Lemongate's turn and nuke 'em

deguerra, you can take your turn and post the savefile in the meantime

The Lemongate, pls don't play until I say so

[The Lemongate]

As far as I know, I haven't had spawns on my turn 2. The only troops I have seen are the ones I start with. And they are quite good. But if Basil and Dragos did appear then nuke 'em! The only armies I have in the field are commanded by Ioannes Ducas, Prince Alexius, Andronicus Kontostephanos and some nameless captain, all of which are starting characters.

This would be weird since the spawns are supposed to appear at the end of the first turn...

[phonicsmonkey]

Yes indeed, Messrs Basil and Dragos have appeared with full stacks of troops

I checked back and they weren't there at the start of the ERE's second turn, so I can only guess something funny is going on with the script

So, I will need to intervene at the start of The Lemongate's turn to drown the feckers...deguerra, pls upload your turn and I'll step in

The Lemongate, please wait for further instructions

we thought some odd things like this might happen if we switched AI factions to human control after the game had started - I'm quoting myself here from page 4 of this thread:

As I understand it, some of the scripts are set up to run only when a faction is AI-controlled - I think this includes the garrison script, and the script that gives the Kypchaks extra stacks when they unite the steppes - this should be the case regardless of how many human players there are in the game.

This could cause us problems if a) they don't work like that in practice, or b) we switch factions between AI and human control at the time those scripts are activated.

If we see anything like this we should report it to the BC team so they can maybe fix it in later releases.

Other scripts are set to run all the time, regardless of whether the faction is AI or human controlled - this includes the script that allows certain factions to horde if their last settlement is taken. I have asked at the twcenter for a list of these factions, but no response so far.

Either way, we'll just have to play the game as it comes, bearing in mind it's an early release of a complex mod and not perfect.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

As far as I know, I haven't had spawns on my turn 2. The only troops I have seen are the ones I start with. And they are quite good. But if Basil and Dragos did appear then nuke 'em! The only armies I have in the field are commanded by Ioannes Ducas, Prince Alexius, Andronicus Kontostephanos and some nameless captain, all of which are starting characters.

This would be weird since the spawns are supposed to appear at the end of the first turn...

I thought it would have been odd if they showed up and you didn't say nothin. Mostly I suspected these buggers showed up after you hit the end turn button and were blissfully unawares.

Anywho. No one was at fault, and the situation will be resolved.

Great thanks go out to everyone who has:

1. Encouraged and helped me join this game
2. Been patient when things didn't go well the first time
3. Continued being patient when I had to blow the whistle this time

I cannot wait for this game to unfold properly. I am going to love playing with you guys. Already, most of you have responded to me diplomatically, even if only to just say hello.



I'm lovin it!

I will ask everyone to keep an eye on their own troop levels. If you suddenly spawn a stack of doom or three, please tell PM so your neighbors won't be unduly crushed by blind luck rather than good leadership.

[phonicsmonkey]

Glad you're enjoying it atpg

[deguerra]

sorry for the wait. these alleged "real-life friends" showed up and wasted my time ;)

here it is:

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/BC_03-01.rar

[barcamartin]

Yay, the second turn complete !! :D

[phonicsmonkey]

The Lemongate - please read my pm and follow the instructions

I'll be back in about ten hours or so to finish the job and re-post the save for you

[Ferret]

I'm glad no one in my corner changed to AI

[The Lemongate]

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/BC_03-01alt.rar

Here it is. Now, however, is another problem... a bit harder to deal with. From experience my treasury should be around -1500 to -2500 after my first few moves (I'm not terribly original for the starting turns). Now it's at -7500... There's not way I could've spent that much, upkeep included... that's our spawned friends... soooo, whatever really. If you decide to leave it at what it is, I'll take that as an handicap and move on.

[Ramses II CP]

I'm glad the Rajputs don't get any auto-stacks as well, although since I only start with one city and one army it'd be extremely obvious.

[phonicsmonkey]

ok, The Lemongate, here is the link for you to finish your turn - you had paid upkeep on those spawned stacks so I added back that cash to your treasury

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/BC-03-01.zip