And I could out GH's activities for him but I guess I won't out of respect. He's correct that they have no impact I can think of at this point on anything anyone would be interested in.
And I could out GH's activities for him but I guess I won't out of respect. He's correct that they have no impact I can think of at this point on anything anyone would be interested in.
Oh, and lest anyone be tempted to tinfoil fake-mason shenanigans or something like that at any point despite Jabbz' denial of such vile lies, we were copied on a single sending of the same role PM, with wording stating explicitly that we each know the other to be innocent.
Fair play, Renata! Did it have to look so scummy though?
Csargo, what do you have up your sleve today?
You sound irritated, Snerk.
Lightly miffed, that's all. I'll walk it off.
Could someone explain the mechanical case against Sooh for me pls, because I feel like I'm missing something.
"I'm going to die anyway, and therefore have nothing more to do except deliberately annoy Lemur." -Orb, in the chat
"Lemur. Even if he's innocent, he's a pain; so kill him." -Ignoramus
"I'm going to need to collect all of the rants about the guilty lemur, and put them in a pretty box with ponies and pink bows. Then I'm going to sprinkle sparkly magic dust on the box, and kiss it." -Lemur
Mafia: Promoting peace and love since June 2006
They have to have godfather possibility, though. There's no way I can think they don't, with the potential for five or six night one scans on top suspects, probably.
Plus my scan of Sooh n1 failed, and no explanation to that has surfaced as far as I can tell.
And to be clear I mean all of them, probably on a night by night basis like all the other powers I know about.
vote: Sooh
Given the potential for redirections, the mechanical stuff both for and against can't be taken as fully reliable.
But with a scum team that seems to have been low on confidence from the start, her in-thread presence (or lack thereof) fits the pattern perfectly.
vote: Sooh
Weak.
I should be strung up.
If GH didn't do anything impactful, that means he didn't vig BSmith, then assuming no townies are lying about their N1 actions (which, why would they have), he was the mafia kill N1. I don't know why they would have decided to kill him, but it seems they must have. That or they tried killing someone else and there's a third-party role out there that killed BSmith, but I see no evidence of that.
At this point the only explanation I can possibly come up with for why Snerk's N1 scan on Sooh failed if he's telling the truth about that is one of the mafia jailblocking her without her knowing about it, which would have explained why Snerk couldn't target her and also why atheotes didn't see Sooh target Renata. That would mean Mafia night actions N1 would be:
Al: do something to Renata
Visor/Unknown: Kill BSmith, Jailblock Sooh.
But that's just a totally bizarre set of night actions to use. Why would the mafia Jailblock Sooh on night 1? She barely said or did anything during the day, it would make more sense for them to target someone like Renata, or Monty, or me.
Updated list of claims (N1):
Monty: Commuted
Winston: Failed watch on Monty; can multicast
Arakhor: Watched Zack, no visitors
Snerk: Failed scan on Sooh; confirms existence of alignment spell
Zack: Scanned Winston non-corrupt
Lewwyn: Redirected from Choxorn to Sooh
Renata: Jailblocked Montmorency, no success
Atheotes: Watched Renata, only Al Sipsclar visited
Csargo: Scan ("Detect Corruption") on GH, not corrupt
Sooh: Protected Renata
Choxorn: Vigged Al Sipsclar
GH: Nothing impactful
BSmith (from Monty's deadscan N2): Scanned Winston non-corrupt
Al (From Atheotes' watch): Something targeting Renata
Visor: ???
Updated list of claims (N2):
Montmorency: Dead scan BSmith, BSmith scanned Winston uncorrupt N1
Zack: Scan Sooh, not corrupt
Choxorn: Watch Renata, no visitors
Csargo: No action
Snerk: Block Lewwyn, attempt failed
Arakhor: Manadrain atheotes 'for a low amount'
Lewwyn: Commuted/Invisibility
Renata: Blocked (JK?) Hankerchief
Winston Hughes: Watch GH (Renata and atheotes visited), block Snerk
Sooh: ???
GH: Nothing impactful, was JK'd by Renata anyway
atheotes (from Winston's watch): Something targeting GH
I think at this point the most likely thing is that Sooh is lying about what she did N1 and is scum, because her having some kind of scan immunity seems more likely than anything else. I guess Snerk could always be lying about what he did N1, and I guess I could plausibly see Arakhor or Lewwyn or Csargo lying about something over one of the past two nights, or maybe one of the scum can take multiple night actions like Winston can, but that's about all the reasonable scenarios that I can see.
It's just hard to see most of the thread being mafia at this point. Renata and GH both seem about >99% town at this point, with Monty and Winston just below them. Zack's either town or playing an A++ scum game and doing all sorts of things that make absolutely no sense for him to do if he's scum. I could certainly see Arakhor or Lewwyn being scum, but neither of them seems likely.
At this point I'd say Sooh is probably scum unless she has a really good explanation for what happened night 1 and can show up today and stop acting like a scum with low wim who's resigned to defeat. If not her, lynch Snerk, if not either of them, lynch Csargo.
Vote: Sooh
Sooh was sort of after Zack on day one. I guess if anyone had motivation to block her, Zack did. It's thin though.
Also possible they had two shots and went safer (BSmith) with one and more risky (Monty) with the other.
Speaking from personal experience, morale definitely has an impact on kill choices as mafia. After a certain point has been reached (which, IMO, it has and then some for the mafia at this point in the game assuming we're not totally off base) you just want to get a kill, any kill to go through. Hence going with a suboptimal but likely-to-be-unprotected target as we've (potentially) seen here.
"I'm going to die anyway, and therefore have nothing more to do except deliberately annoy Lemur." -Orb, in the chat
"Lemur. Even if he's innocent, he's a pain; so kill him." -Ignoramus
"I'm going to need to collect all of the rants about the guilty lemur, and put them in a pretty box with ponies and pink bows. Then I'm going to sprinkle sparkly magic dust on the box, and kiss it." -Lemur
Mafia: Promoting peace and love since June 2006
Yeah so, it's my birthday today. That's why I haven't been around.
From the looks of it, I don't need to be around either. Your minds are made up. Happy playing the rest of your game.
Vote: Snerk
Happy birthday, Sooh!
"I'm going to die anyway, and therefore have nothing more to do except deliberately annoy Lemur." -Orb, in the chat
"Lemur. Even if he's innocent, he's a pain; so kill him." -Ignoramus
"I'm going to need to collect all of the rants about the guilty lemur, and put them in a pretty box with ponies and pink bows. Then I'm going to sprinkle sparkly magic dust on the box, and kiss it." -Lemur
Mafia: Promoting peace and love since June 2006
Happy birthday!
Big pile of votes is a crappy gift, I know, but we also got you these:
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
Ok, I don't care what role Winston has this game. He will not be lynched or murdered! He brought me kittens!!!!!
*dies happy*
A whole box of kittens! That's really going above and beyond. Happy Birthday, Sooh. :)
"I'm going to die anyway, and therefore have nothing more to do except deliberately annoy Lemur." -Orb, in the chat
"Lemur. Even if he's innocent, he's a pain; so kill him." -Ignoramus
"I'm going to need to collect all of the rants about the guilty lemur, and put them in a pretty box with ponies and pink bows. Then I'm going to sprinkle sparkly magic dust on the box, and kiss it." -Lemur
Mafia: Promoting peace and love since June 2006
I'll vote for Sooh as well, because I'm all out of ideas otherwise.
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