EXIT NEGOTIATIONS

[Greyblades]

There's a triggered joke in there somewhere.

[Montmorency]

It was an "identity politics" parallel.

[Gilrandir]

Without majority popular approval for a referendum to take place May would be justified in denying them a second referendum so close to the last.

"Close" is a relative notion. I don't think the time span between the referenda is stipulated by some law. Moreover, Scotland may state changing the international status of the UK (against the will of the Scots) as a reason for a new referendum. So if Nicola is really determined to get a referendum and not just trying to get favorable concessions from London (much as Cameron did with the EU) she should popularize it within her realm.

[Greyblades]

It's not a legal issue it is a public patience issue and as exhibited by the poll public patience is against referendums in the immediate future despite such arguments as change in status. This 69% majority against a referendum before brexit is done gives May carte blanche to ignore sturgeon for at least two years.

[Gilrandir]

It's not a legal issue it is a public patience issue and as exhibited by the poll public patience is against referendums in the immediate future despite such arguments as change in status. This 69% majority against a referendum before brexit is done gives May carte blanche to ignore sturgeon for at least two years.

In the article 51% was mentioned, not 69%. And this is a precarious majority, easily overcome given proper PR campaign.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

"Close" is a relative notion. I don't think the time span between the referenda is stipulated by some law. Moreover, Scotland may state changing the international status of the UK (against the will of the Scots) as a reason for a new referendum. So if Nicola is really determined to get a referendum and not just trying to get favorable concessions from London (much as Cameron did with the EU) she should popularize it within her realm.

Doesn't this just transform then into a Alba version of the Quebec separation referenda ad nauseum stuff?

[Pannonian]

Doesn't this just transform then into a Alba version of the Quebec separation referenda ad nauseum stuff?

The Leave the EU campaigners promised before the 2016 referendum that they'd continue to campaign to leave if they lost. The Tory right have the situation exactly as they want it, so they're now arguing that any more referendums would be against the will of the people.

[Greyblades]

Chronologically the SNP started the trend of bad losership in these matters. In the capacity for bitterness on the other hand would tie the SNP and remain quite evenly.

[Gilrandir]

Doesn't this just transform then into a Alba version of the Quebec separation referenda ad nauseum stuff?

Depends on the determination of those at power who would like to initiate referenda until they get the result they want.

[Gilrandir]

I call it exitmania. The UK wants to exit the exit negotiations:
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/n...00bn-h9cqqtsxc

[Fragony]

They can, why don't. The EU is holding an empty gun at their head. Eurocrats need humiliation

[Pannonian]

They can, why don't. The EU is holding an empty gun at their head. Eurocrats need humiliation

Are you moving to the UK any time soon so that you can experience life outside the EU? Or are you still going on about how life will be brilliant, whilst not having to face any of the consequences?

[Fragony]

Are you moving to the UK any time soon so that you can experience life outside the EU? Or are you still going on about how life will be brilliant, whilst not having to face any of the consequences?

I already did. You seem to forgetting that the protective rules imposed upon you were a burden for making deals with growing economies outside the eurozone. Or maybe there was nothing you could forget because you just didn't know that operating outside the eurozone has consequences for the UK, the EU wants it's cut even if you are a net payer, figures if you don't know that, who does, there is nobody to tell you

[Pannonian]

I already did. You seem to forgetting that the protective rules imposed upon you were a burden for making deals with growing economies outside the eurozone. Or maybe there was nothing you could forget because you just didn't know that operating outside the eurozone has consequences for the UK, the EU wants it's cut even if you are a net payer, figures if you don't know that, who does

Are you saying that you've moved to the UK?

[Gilrandir]

Are you saying that you've moved to the UK?

Yes, Utrecht Kommunity.

[Fragony]

Are you saying that you've moved to the UK?

and back, just spended some time. You are so pessimistic about all this, there's no reason for that. i know I really annoy you for saying that but I can assure you that what I say isn't just hollow talk, the EU has never been more than a very costly restriction to the global market, fueled only by a ideoligy of the idiotic idea that the EU is responsible for peace in Europe. Get it of me for me please I fucking hate the EU and their judas-kiss, and thankly, you much more influential Brits swamped them and boy are they kicking, knowing

[Pannonian]

and back, just spended some time. You are so pessimistic about all this, there's no reason for that. i know I really annoy you for saying that but I can assure you that what I say isn't just hollow talk, the EU has never been more than a very costly restriction to the global market, fueled only by a ideoligy of the idiotic idea that the EU is responsible for peace in Europe. Get it of me for me please I fucking hate the EU and their judas-kiss, and thankly, you much more influential Brits swamped them and boy are they kicking, knowing

Have you ever heard of the song "Common People"?

[Fragony]

Have you ever heard of the song "Common People"?

Sure, was it about you because I don't buy that really, you talk like a upper-middle-class heritaged

[Pannonian]

Sure, was it about you because I don't buy that really, you talk like a upper-middle-class heritaged

You really don't get the point of that song, do you?

[Fragony]

You really don't get the point of that song, do you?

I don't get any point that doesn't penetrate my internal-organs, got any poetry to further the point I love sentences from dead man who can't say anything back. Do you understand it all? Of course I don't but at least I know it. I turn ignorance into art

[Pannonian]

I don't get any point that doesn't penetrate my internal-organs, got any poetry to further the point I love sentences from dead man who can't say anything back. Do you understand it all? Of course I don't but at least I know it. I turn ignorance into art

It's a bit easier to understand when the author explains the point himself. The headline point is the practice of slumming. However, the salient point is that you don't truly get what a life is like when you can exit it at any time. You've passed through the UK. That's not the same as living in the UK. Stop telling people who live in the UK what the UK is like and will be like. You don't have a clue.

Cos everybody hates a tourist
Especially one who thinks it's all such a laugh
And the chipstains and grease will come out in the bath

[edyzmedieval]

The EU won't back down out of this - the 100 billion proposed will stay, so that's a serious stumbling block.

[Fragony]

It's a bit easier to understand when the author explains the point himself. The headline point is the practice of slumming. However, the salient point is that you don't truly get what a life is like when you can exit it at any time. You've passed through the UK. That's not the same as living in the UK. Stop telling people who live in the UK what the UK is like and will be like. You don't have a clue.

Cos everybody hates a tourist
Especially one who thinks it's all such a laugh
And the chipstains and grease will come out in the bath

Explain it better than, all I get is booohoooohooo that was my Ken-dolll you don't understand. Nothing happened so far no, of course not everybody benefits. And not everybody comes there for tourism either.

[Greyblades]

The EU won't back down out of this - the 100 billion proposed will stay, so that's a serious stumbling block.

You seem to be rather confident of thier nerve, considering the game of chicken hasnt even started yet.

When the hope of May's undermining finally dies with the election results then I believe we can start making such predictions.

[Elephantine]

You seem to be rather confident of thier nerve, considering the game of chicken hasnt even started yet.

When the hope of May's undermining finally dies with the election results then I believe we can start making such predictions.

When the odds are 27/1 it looks like Mays game of chicken is her standing blindfolded on a motorway.
As for undermining, did you see the buffoon Boris telling more lies about the lies on the leave bus?

[Greyblades]

I saw corbyn saying he'd take a bad deal over no deal, that is a far greater threat to our negociations than a long irrelevant talking point.

If you are here to debate I suggest bringing arguments instead of regurgitating your favourite commentator's one liners. If you are just here to vent, I am sure you can find any number of willing echo chambers on reddit.

[Fragony]

You seem to be rather confident of thier nerve, considering the game of chicken hasnt even started yet.

When the hope of May's undermining finally dies with the election results then I believe we can start making such predictions.

heh Brits don't like to be bullied, wether they like miss May or not

edit, that was fast http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...llions-pounds/

Very big lol, stfu, you must (yoda voice)

I love you Brits X, a few indifferences in the past alas

edit2, the UK can actually do this, this is so beautifull, never screw what you can get back three times, are the old ways

[Pannonian]

I saw corbyn saying he'd take a bad deal over no deal, that is a far greater threat to our negociations than a long irrelevant talking point.

If you are here to debate I suggest bringing arguments instead of regurgitating your favourite commentator's one liners. If you are just here to vent, I am sure you can find any number of willing echo chambers on reddit.

Aren't you a Corbyn fan? ISTR you posting some of their echo chamber arguments in the Labour thread, to counter primary sources that I'd posted.

[Elephantine]

I saw corbyn saying he'd take a bad deal over no deal, that is a far greater threat to our negociations than a long irrelevant talking point.

If you are here to debate I suggest bringing arguments instead of regurgitating your favourite commentator's one liners. If you are just here to vent, I am sure you can find any number of willing echo chambers on reddit.

A bad deal over no deal? Do you understand what no deal entials?
Perhaps you are just regurgitating the meaningless nonsense that is doing the rounds in the current Mayverse echo chamber.
Whatever next, brexit means brexit or a strong and stable slogan means a strong and stable slogan?

But anyway , if you are here for meaningful debate do you have any comment on the Boris lying this morning when he claimed that the lie that was sold to the nation over Brexit is included in the manifesto?
And if it is as you claim a long irrelevant talking point why was the minister talking about it again this morning and trying to convince the voters that the lie he sold is indeed the truth?

[Fragony]

oh ffs why is Boris even an argument he's a dead man walking he will be dumped. I'm not English and not good in English sarcasm but even I get that much