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    Member Member macdaddyo's Avatar
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    How does a Generals command value increase? I have been using a 4 star general (spanish Jinetts) that I started with in nearly every battle. I always keep him in reserve, and then use him alot to run down fleeing troops.

    After around 20 battles where his and his troops valour is around a 6 or 7 (I replace his losses with veterans from other units that have high valour) he is still only a 4 star general (although he did receive the expert attacker virtue).

    What am I missing? How do I get his command rating to increase without giving him the admiralty or similiar title?

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    it increases like shogun after multiples of 2
    ie after winning a battle you get 1 command then win another 2 to get 2 command then another 4 to get 3 command, win 8 to get 4 command and win another 16 to get command of 5
    by this reckoning it would take 31 victories to reach rank 5 from rank 0
    i tend not to add command giving titles until after they are at least rank 5 as early increase in rank are comman and fairly easy to come by

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    Magister Vitae Senior Member Kraxis's Avatar
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    No you add too much Yoko...

    The change to Rank 5 happens at 16 victories more than losses, that means you have to win 8 times if he starts at Rank 4.

    But oddly enough I had a general jump to Rank 5 after only 3 victories (at least what I know of)...

    Btw the Skilled Attacker Virtue adds when you attack (duh!), you will notice the extra star when you send him into another province.

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    The game probably keeps track of the actual battle count. Remeber that in Shogun, the generals would come with a certain ammount of won batles, so I guess they do in MTW as well. Therefore, Kraxis, your general probably had 12 wins to start with, only in STW you were able to see that, and here you can see only stars (just as in STW you could see the upgrades before you built the units, after you built them, ....*sigh*..... ).

    Btw, has anybody noticed that when you have both a skilled attacker and a skilled defender virtue, you don't get the benefits of both? I guess this is so since this would effectively raise your general's rank by 1. I think you only get the bonus of the one you got first if they are equal, and the higher one if they are unequal.

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    Magister Vitae Senior Member Kraxis's Avatar
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    Well in STW you could only get generals with perfect Ranks, meaning they had the least number of wins to be at that Rank. Perhaps that is changed but still...

    You could actually see what upgrades the unit had in STW, you just had to right-click in the uniticon, not the army.

    Haven't noticed the case of the Attacker/Defender issue... You sure they don't apply in battle?

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    Quote Originally posted by Kraxis:

    You could actually see what upgrades the unit had in STW, you just had to right-click in the uniticon, not the army.


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    That's what I was saying, you could always see them.....


    Quote Originally posted by Kraxis:
    Haven't noticed the case of the Attacker/Defender issue... You sure they don't apply in battle?[/QUOTE]

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    Yep...stars add in campain map (or decrease if you have defender vv').

    You can test this by using Spanish King in early. He is 4 stars + 3 stars defender. If you dont attack with him he is 7 stars (in map) and if you use him in attack he is 4 stars (in map).

    Btw...this is what i meant when i told people Kings vv's affect Heirs. If you use that king in attack (lessening his stars to 4) and Heir is coming out same turn, computer uses those lessened stars to count Heir stats.

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    Piney,
    what I am saying, is that if the king (4 stars) is a field defense specialist and a skilled attacker, he would have 7 stars while defending, but still have only 4 stars when attacking, i.e. he won't get the bonus for being skilled attacker.
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    Are you sure.?

    My King in Spain campain is 4 stars + 3 star defender + 1 star attacker + 1 star special attacker and he is 7 stars total when staying put and 6 stars when attacking enemy with more that dubble numbers. (and i am 100 % sure about this)

    Oh...didnt some vv's take one vv more to update correctly...bug they are fixing in patch, might be that you are seeing ?

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    Macdaddyo

    Something about you saying it taked more that 20 battles to advance to 5 stars.
    Did your general have star degreasing vv's ?

    If so, you are not really advancing from 4 to 5 but exp. 5 to 6 if you have -1 star vv.(and that step needs 16 victories)

    Soeren

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    hrvojej
    I've seen that aswell, its a pity as I like to have good all round generals instead of defensive or attacking ones. The worst part of it all is that u can't go past rank 9. I have had some good generals that are rank 9/8 & I want them to go to rank 10/11/12 with titles or even battles

    I had one rank 9 general in Constantinople for 250+ years. He had won over 40 battles and his rank hasn't gone up even with field defence specialist & skilled last stand(he was rank 9 before he went there) & I want to give him the govenorship of constantinople as he has real high acumen but theres no point since he is already rank 9 & should be rank 12 defending

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    Insolent1

    Woooot...nice generals you have

    Something i allways have wanted to test but havent got time to it yet. There is graphical limit to general stars ( 9 ), same as valour, but if your real valour is bigger then it shows in battles (i think someone posted valour 20 or so) it might be that 12 star general only shows 9 stars but all 12 is counted in battle.

    Please, if you have time, add some titles to your 9 star general and use him in battle to see if you get more that 9 stars worth of bonuses. I really want to know outcome.

    Soeren

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    I have tried this with a 7 star general with +2 command on attack. Gave him an office with +2 command, so he should go to 11 stars on attack with +5 valor bonus. Well, the limit is +4 apparently. So, there you go, as far as the valor bonuses, +4 (Rank 9) is the max. Also, as you pointed out, he does not show 11 stars when attacking, although previously he showed 9 stars when attacking as a base 7 star general.

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    Thank you Cart

    So no point training those 9 stars with extra vv's. Well, i am actually clad its limited ( 9 star general with all goodies would make game even easyer )

    Soeren

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