Chavez being Chavez
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7432895.stm
In the Amercian sport lexicon we have a saying "that's just Manny being Manny". It's used to describe the often eccentric, and usually ego-centric behaviour of Manny Ramirez of the Boston Red Sox. Great player, but greater loon.
That's the only anology I came think of for this latest move by ChavezIt's hard for me to see anyone come to his defence on this one.
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LoL.Mr Correa compared the law to the Patriot Act in the United States, which gave US law enforcement agencies greater powers to intercept communications and investigate suspected terrorists on American soil in the wake of the attacks on 11 September 2001.
Mr Chavez - who called the US Patriot Act a "dictatorial law" - denied the Venezuelan law would threaten freedoms, saying it falls into "a framework of great respect for human rights".
Now we just need to wait for JAG to defend the "Great man" that is Hugo.
CR
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OK, so it looks like he liked the Patriot Act after all.
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I didn't like it when Bush did it and i don't like it when Chavez does it. But will anyone defend Chavez decision ?
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Hmmm.... who could it be... I have two candidates in mind...Originally Posted by LittleGrizzly
It will either be:
OR
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Mr Correa's just plain wrong with his Patriot Act analogy. When's the first time a judge in the US was ever prosecuted for not cooperating with intelligence groups? There's not even a threat of such an act! Also, the Patriot act wasn't enacted by decree, but by Congress.
I know I'm quibbling...I'm sure Chavez can get his decree passed in HIS congress too.;)
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Patiently awaits Tribesman.Hmmm.... who could it be... I have two candidates in mind...
It will either be:
OR
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I can't see what all the fuss is about, after all, if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear. As for the secret police, that's just a pseudonym for social workers, here to help you.
There are times I wish they’d just ban everything- baccy and beer, burgers and bangers, and all the rest- once and for all. Instead, they creep forward one apparently tiny step at a time. It’s like being executed with a bacon slicer.
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Mr Correa's just plain wrong with his Patriot Act analogy. When's the first time a judge in the US was ever prosecuted for not cooperating with intelligence groups? There's not even a threat of such an act!
From a quick scan through the article and a rough memory of what the patriot act contains Chavez does seem to be passing a worse act, though they seem similar in reference to wiretaps ect.
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The first graphic is kinda hard to decipher Don, I guess it's about tribes or so.
That said I've been longing for some posts of Tribesman lately and I don't really care what they're about.
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It's Idaho. I would normally defend the guy, but this sort of thing is indefensible.
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He might be trying to warm up to an alliance with the republicans...
Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban
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Forge the iron while it is hot - this Chavez is a clever guy.
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AFAIK Tribesy isn't exactly a Chavez fan.
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Checks and balances?
Looks like Venezuela can soon sign up for membership in the axis of evil.
If even judges are required to work with a certain agency then that agency gains way too much power, time for a rebellion I'd say.
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I don't see why tribesman's been mentioned once or twice, Jag on the other hand has defended Chavez a few times, im sure everyones seen that quote in someones signature Jag saying the great man that is Hugo Chavez (almost put his name as huge chavez, potential porn name i reckon) but iirc alot of the times when chavez has been criticised and jag has been defending him i feel jag has been right, as alot of the criticism directed at chavez is because he's left wing and because he's against americas foriegn policy, thats where me chavez (and jag probably) share policy, this is something similar to the patriot act and i don't think jag is such an idiot to be against that but for this just because its Chavez instead of Bush
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Not saying he is.
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There is one thing Venezuela has that we can envy.
She has the cheapest fuel prices in the world. If I am not miscalculating, a liter of petrol cost 0.029 USD. That is 3 cents for 1 liter of petrol. Price for a gallon (US) would be 11 cents.
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Enviable, certainly.
But clever? Car ownership is a privilige for the rich half of Venezuela. They are the real benefactors. And consequently, they waste Venz' precious oil resources on huge cars and other luxeries. The poor only benefit a little from low prices. And all things considered, they net lose out a lot. They would benefit much more if Chavez sold their oil for $100 a barrel to the Americans and then spended the money on some real social progress for the poor.
Great man, Chavez. Great thinker too, certainly as great an economist as the Cuban, North Korean and Soviet Union leaders. Who all, like Chavez, brought tremendous benefits to their poor masses by bravely resisting fascist capitalist imperialism.
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What a clever star to hitch your wagon to.
CR
Ja Mata, Tosa.
The poorest man may in his cottage bid defiance to all the forces of the Crown. It may be frail; its roof may shake; the wind may blow through it; the storm may enter; the rain may enter; but the King of England cannot enter – all his force dares not cross the threshold of the ruined tenement! - William Pitt the Elder
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He is a great man, a great leader and a man with whom the whole world should look to as an example of the struggle needed and yet, still possible against American 'realist' aggresion. Everyone seems very aware that I have this view of him, yet for some insanse reason forget the fact that I have consistently been possibly the most liberal - in the true sense of the word - member here, I defend civil rights, human rights and civil liberties to the hilt, why would anyone think that an outrageous breach of these values would be defended by me?
What people should be asking is why it isn't defended by those people who support the exact same measures in their own countries and indeed would love an exact same law in thier own country - and have argued for it here - to defend themselves and their nation from international terrorism. Please could they tell me why when Chavez and Venezuela enacts law which puts so called security over civil liberties it is an outrageous act of a fascist dictator, but when the US, UK and other Western nations do exactly the same, it is a democratic system looking out for the small guy?! Absolute hypocrisy, and the desperation that some people have when looking at reasons to bash Chavez, even when they ostensibly agree, leaves certain people with no credit what so ever.
I on the other hand, clearly completely disagree with the policy. No breach of civil liberties, by any government, in ways such as this can be accepted, and there are a number of reasons which I will not bore people with, who have seen them a hundred times before.
Last edited by JAG; 06-07-2008 at 12:07.
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INEZ: Prove it. Prove it was no dream. It's what one does, and nothing else, that shows the stuff one's made of.
GARCIN: I died too soon. I wasn't allowed time to - to do my deeds.
INEZ: One always dies too soon - or too late. And yet one's whole life is complete at that moment, with a line drawn neatly under it, ready for the summing up. You are - your life, and nothing else.
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Oh and TBS - Manny is no loon, he is one of the greatest modern baseball players ever to grace the game, sure he has been a stroppy thing over the last, er well, long time... But he is my favorite player - and manny, manny others (haha oh arn't I funny) - because he plays the game hard, even though it might not look like he does. He loves the game more than anyone ever gives him credit for and plays and works harder than most people imagine he ever could - to say he is a loon pretty much just falls into a tired old sterotype of the guy. I love the guy, what a great player and a decent person.
GARCIN: I "dreamt," you say. It was no dream. When I chose the hardest path, I made my choice deliberately. A man is what he wills himself to be.
INEZ: Prove it. Prove it was no dream. It's what one does, and nothing else, that shows the stuff one's made of.
GARCIN: I died too soon. I wasn't allowed time to - to do my deeds.
INEZ: One always dies too soon - or too late. And yet one's whole life is complete at that moment, with a line drawn neatly under it, ready for the summing up. You are - your life, and nothing else.
Jean Paul Sartre - No Exit 1944
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JAG, I can't think of any western country having a law like this. Please point it out if you can (and the PATRIOT Act is nothing like this). This law is in worse in so many ways, yet you call the man who wishes it 'great'.
As to why people expected you to defend it, maybe it's because you scorned the people of Venezuela for not backing a recent referendum to give more power to Chavez.
I have consistently been possibly the most liberal - in the true sense of the word - member here, I defend civil rights, human rights and civil liberties to the hilt, why would anyone think that an outrageous breach of these values would be defended by me?
Sorry, but that's ridiculous. Do you support the huge amount of CCTV's in Britain? You said you value safety over liberty, so don't pretend to be a staunch defender of civil rights.
CR
Ja Mata, Tosa.
The poorest man may in his cottage bid defiance to all the forces of the Crown. It may be frail; its roof may shake; the wind may blow through it; the storm may enter; the rain may enter; but the King of England cannot enter – all his force dares not cross the threshold of the ruined tenement! - William Pitt the Elder
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EXCUSE ME?! Now that has tyo be a bait, how you could get someones position so fundamentally WRONG, when they have been posting here since you started on these boards, AMAZES me. Supporting CCTV in Britain?! Safety over liberty?! YOUSorry, but that's ridiculous. Do you support the huge amount of CCTV's in Britain? You said you value safety over liberty, so don't pretend to be a staunch defender of civil rights.what?!
You don't even deserve the time it takes to post a response.
Last edited by Banquo's Ghost; 06-07-2008 at 21:28. Reason: Language
GARCIN: I "dreamt," you say. It was no dream. When I chose the hardest path, I made my choice deliberately. A man is what he wills himself to be.
INEZ: Prove it. Prove it was no dream. It's what one does, and nothing else, that shows the stuff one's made of.
GARCIN: I died too soon. I wasn't allowed time to - to do my deeds.
INEZ: One always dies too soon - or too late. And yet one's whole life is complete at that moment, with a line drawn neatly under it, ready for the summing up. You are - your life, and nothing else.
Jean Paul Sartre - No Exit 1944
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Someone didn't have their Wheaties this morning.EXCUSE ME?! Now that has tyo be a bait, how you could get someones position so fundamentally WRONG, when they have been posting here since you started on these boards, AMAZES me. Supporting CCTV in Britain?! Safety over liberty?! YOU
You don't even deserve the time it takes to post a response.
Last edited by Banquo's Ghost; 06-07-2008 at 21:28. Reason: Edited quote
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Oh my.
Guess I touched a nerve. As for safety over liberty, just read your posts in the thread/poll on whether safety or liberty is more important. You were arguing that having laws forcing us to wear seat belts makes us freer.
CR
Ja Mata, Tosa.
The poorest man may in his cottage bid defiance to all the forces of the Crown. It may be frail; its roof may shake; the wind may blow through it; the storm may enter; the rain may enter; but the King of England cannot enter – all his force dares not cross the threshold of the ruined tenement! - William Pitt the Elder
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Well, Chavez made a ridiculous move. I can think better things for doing the same thing.
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Yes. The real issues in this world. War, peace, hunger, nuclear weapons and seatbelt laws.
How can anyone care about seatbelt laws...?
Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban
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I thought the thread was about Chavez being well on the road to becoming (another) socialist dictator.
There are times I wish they’d just ban everything- baccy and beer, burgers and bangers, and all the rest- once and for all. Instead, they creep forward one apparently tiny step at a time. It’s like being executed with a bacon slicer.
“Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it whether it exists or not, diagnosing it incorrectly, and applying the wrong remedy.”
To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticise.
"The purpose of a university education for Left / Liberals is to attain all the politically correct attitudes towards minorties, and the financial means to live as far away from them as possible."
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Damn I thought this was gonna be about banning candidates from the election ....oh well
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