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    Hello, friends! The idea behind this thread is to compile a comprehensive list matching EB settlements with their current names or with names of present cities that are more or less in the same place cities. It would allow, for instance, to easily find your favourite EB settlement in
    Google Earth, or plan your holiday trip.

    Some are pretty obvious - Roma = Rome, Side = Side, etc. but others might be more interesting and not everyone might know them - like Ecbatana = Hamadan, and such.

    I would therefore like to encourage you to post as many matching couples as you know of. Some interesting info on the liquistics or meaning of the city name would also be much appreciated.

    And here is what we have so far...

    Adrumeto = Sousse, Tunesia
    Ak-Ink = Budapest, Hungary
    Alexandreia = Alexandria (or Al Iskandariyah in Arabic), Egypt
    Alexandria-Ariana = Herat, Afghanistan
    Alexandria-Eschate = Khujand (in the Fergana valley), Tajikstan
    Alexandropolis = Kandahar, Afghanistan*
    Ambrakia= Arta, Greece
    Ammonion = Siwa, Egypt
    Ani-Kamah = Gyumri, Armenia*
    Ankyra = Ankara, Turkey
    Antiocheia = Antioch (or Antakya i Turkish), Turkey
    Antiocheia-Margiane = Merv, Turkmenistan
    Arbela = Irbil, Iraq
    Ariminium = Rimini, Italy
    Armavir = Armavir, Armenia
    Arpi = Foggia, Italy
    Arretium = Arezzo, Italy
    ArsÚ = Sagunto (or Sagunt in Catalanian), Spain
    Artaunon = Heidetrńnk-Oppidum near Frankfurt a/M, Germany
    Ascaucalis = Kalisz, Poland
    Athenai = Athens, Greece
    Atiqa = Destroyed around 800AD, Tunisia
    Augila = Awjila, Lybia
    Aventicos = Avenches, Suisse
    Axum = Axum, Ethiopia
    Baktra = Balkh, Afghanistan
    Bocchoris = ruins near Pollenša (Mallorca), Spain
    Bononia = Bologna, Italy
    Burdigala = Bordeaux, France
    Byzantion = Istanbul, Turkey
    Caern-Brigantae = Aldborough near Bidborough, England
    Camulosadae = Colchester (?), England
    Capua = Santa Maria Capua Vetere or Capua, Italy
    Carali = Cagliari, Italy
    Carna = Qarnaw, Destroyed (?) in the Ramlat al-Sab`atayn desert, Yemen
    Carrodunum = Krakˇw, Poland
    Cassemor = Southend-on-sea, England
    Cenabum = Orleans, France
    Chach = Tashkent, Uzbekistan*
    Charax = Madaniyah, Iraq*-Near al Basrah
    Chersonesos = Sevastopol (?), Ukraine
    Damaskos = Dimashq, Syria
    Darioritum= Vannes, France
    Diospolis-Megale/Thebes - near Luxor and al-Karnak, Egypt
    Ekbatana = Hamadan, Iran
    Emporion = Empuries, Spain
    Gabai = Isfahan, Iran
    Gader = Cadiz, Spain
    Gandhara = Islamabad, Pakistan*
    Garama = Sabha, Lybia*
    Gawajam-Heruskoz = Dortmund
    Gawajam-Kimbroz = Vorbasse, Denmark
    Gerrha = Near the ruins of fort Uqair, Saudi Arabia
    Halikarnassos = Bodrum, Turkey
    Hibis = Kharga, Egypt
    Hierosolyma = Jerusalem, Israel
    Ictis = Exeter (?), England
    Ippone/Hippo Regius = Annaba, Algeria
    Iuvavoaeta = Salzburg, Austria
    Kallatis = Mangalia, Romania
    Karmana = Kerman, Iran*
    Kart-Hadast = Tunis, Tunisia
    Khiva = Xiva, Uzbekistan
    Kophen = Kabul, Afghanistan
    Korinthos = Corinth, Greece
    Kirtan = Destroyed and rebuilt as Constantine, Algeria
    Kydonia = Chania, Greece
    Kyrene = Destroyed, ruins near Shahhat, Lybia
    Lepki = Wadi Lebda, Al Khums, Lybia
    Lixus = north of Larache, Morocco
    Lilybaeum = Marsala, Italy
    Marakanda = Samarkand, Uzbekistan
    Maryab = Ma'rib, Yemen
    Massilia = Marseille, France
    Mastia = Cartagena, Spain
    Mediolanum = Milan, Italy
    Memphis = Ruins near Cairo
    Meroe = Deserted, in the middle of nowhere, Sudan
    Mesana = Messina, Italy
    Mitilene = Mitilini, Greece
    Naissos = Niš, Serbia
    Nikaia = Iznik, Turkey
    Nisa = Ashgabat, Turkmenistan*
    Numantia = destroyed, but the ruins are near Soria, Spain
    Olbia = Zhovetnovoye, Ukraine* S of Mikolaiv
    Opiana = Sitpur, Pakistan-closest major city is Multan*
    Pantikapaion= Kerch, Ukraine
    Paraitonion - Marsa Matruh, Egypt
    Patala = South of Hyderabad x East of Karachi, Pakistan*
    Patavium = Padua, Italy
    Pella = Pella, Greece
    Pergamon = Bergama, Turkey
    Persepolis = Persepolis (UNESCO World Heritige Site) about 70km SW of Shiraz, Iran
    Petra = Petra, Jordan
    Petridava = Kamianets-Podilskyi, Ukraine
    Phraaspa = SE of Tabriz, Iran*
    Pselkis = El-Dakka, Egypt?
    Ptolemais-Theron = Aqiq, in the vicinity of Massawa, Eritrea
    Ratae Corieltauvorum = Leicester, England
    Rhegion = Reggio di Calabria, Italy
    Rhodos = Rhodos, Greece
    Roma = Rome, Italy
    Sabata = Shabwa, Yemen
    Sala = Chellah, on the outskirts of Rabat, Morocco
    Sardis = Sart, Turkey
    Segesta = Sestri Levante, Italy
    Segestica = Sisak, Croatia
    Seleukeia/Ctesiphon = Baghdad, Iraq*
    Serdike = Sophia, Bulgaria
    Side = Manavgat, Turkey
    Siga = Raghgoun, Algeria
    Singidunum = Belgrade, Serbia
    Syracosai = Siracusa, Italy
    Tamane = Bayhan al Qisab, Yemen
    Tanais = Rostov-na-Donu, Russia*
    Taras = Taranto, Italy
    Tarsos = Tarsus, Turkey
    Tingis = Tangier (or Tanja in Berber and Arabic), Morocco
    Tolosa = Toulouse, France
    Trapezous = Trabzon, Turkey
    Tylis = Plovdiv (?), Bulgaria
    Ubar = Iram (?) The lost city in the Rub' al Khali desert (Oman, Saudi Arabia, UAE and Yemen)
    Vesoncio= Besanšon, France
    Vindobona=Vienna, Austria
    Ynys-Mon = Anglesey, Wales
    Zadraka(r)ta = Sari, Iran

    *for approximate locations, the nearest large city is listed

    I will update the list as more cities will be identified.

    Thank you for your co-operation!

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    Default Re: Ancient and present city names

    I have one!! Athens- Athens!! (as strange that might sound)


    now this is a really good Idea, I'm wondering that too
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    Massilia = Marseille

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    Roma = Rome

    What? That was obvious? Sorry.

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    A few more

    Baktra= Balkh, Afghanistan
    Alexandria-Ariana= Herat
    Antiocheia-Margiane= Merv
    Marakanda= Samarkand
    Kophen=Kabul
    Vindobona=Vienna
    Kallatis= Varna, Bulgaria

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    Seleukeia/Ctesiphon - Baghdad.
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    Default Re: Ancient and present city names

    Athenai - Athens
    Pella - Pella :P
    Byzantion (later Konstantinoupolis) - Istanbul
    Taras - Tarento IIRC
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    Over the top of my head:

    Gader = Cadiz, Spain
    Emporion = Empuries, Spain
    Capua = Naples (I think?), Italy
    Korinthos = Corinth (>_>), Guess..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hax View Post
    Seleukeia/Ctesiphon - Baghdad.
    Seleukeia isn't Baghdad. >_> But then again, since both aren't too far away, Baghdad is famous enough to pretend being Seleucia

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    Quote Originally Posted by V.T. Marvin View Post
    ...............
    Kallatis = Varna, Bulgaria
    ...............
    I will update the list as more cities will be identified.

    Thank you for your co-operation!
    No, the ruins of Callatis are situated in Romania and the city is presently known as Mangalia.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maion Maroneios View Post
    Byzantion (later Konstantinoupolis) - Istanbul
    Nope, but close enough it can pass for the real deal in the same way Baghdad can pass for Seleukeia.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jolt View Post
    Capua = Naples (I think?), Italy
    Capua is still called Capua (16 miles north of Naples/Napoli). A Wikipedia search will tell you what almost all of the settlements are now called, Italy is particularly easy:

    Mediolanum is now Milan
    Arretium is Arezzo
    Ariminium is Rimini
    Bononia is Bologna
    Taras is Tarento
    Arpi no longer exists, but is near Foggia
    Patavium is Padua
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    Nope, but close enough it can pass for the real deal in the same way Baghdad can pass for Seleukeia.
    I know it's not exactly the same place, but isn't a district of Baghdad called Seleucia or Ctesiphon?
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    Kart-Hadast is now in Tunis, at least, it's ruins are.

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    Pergamon - Bergama, Turkey
    Sardis - Sart, Turkey
    Halikarnassos - Bodrum, Turkey
    Segestica - Sisak, Croatia
    Cenabum - Orleans, France

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jolt View Post
    Over the top of my head:
    Capua = Naples (I think?), Italy
    no, Naples already exixted in the EB timeframe from the VIII century B.C.

    It was Nea-polis (means new-town) founded by greek colonists of Calkide and Eretria in the Eubea isle. It was at first an emporion on the isle of Ischia, called Pitekusa, then it was founded a small town on the shores, called Partenope, then it was founded a new nucleus (if i well remember by the Cumans) called Nea-polis (new town) the old nucleus was called palepolis (old town). So at the time of EB timeframe naples was already 500 years old...

    I dont complain the fact that nea-polis was not included in the EB map, cause Capua was more important during the EB time frame, while neapolis was more a cultural centre, and it will be politically important only in the middle age. Think that Cicerone, called Capua "Altera Roma" that means: "the other Roma"

    now, regarding Capua, it is a complicated story, and since i have some friends in Capua, it's better i explain that, cause they could get angry...

    actually there are 2 capuas:

    1) Capua
    2) Santa Maria Capua Vetere (vetere is from latin and means "old")

    Both are inherent to ancient Capua for different motivations. And bot their inhabitants claim to be the real Capuans.

    the true is this:
    After being sacked and destroyed (i dont remember, Vandals? Visigoths? it was during the barbarian invasions anyway) the inhabitants of Capua abandoned the town, and founded a new town some kilometers towards the river Volturnus.
    This new Capua was called exactly Capua as the old. it's the number 1) in my list above.

    This new town actually is a beautifull (altough small) medieval town on the river Volturnus. The medieval palaces was build with a lot of things from the ruins of the abandoned Capua, so you see there in the Palaces, Marble Heads and columns from the anphiteatrum and the temples of the abandoned Capua. Wonderful little town, full of medieval story.

    But what about Santa Maria Capua Vetere (number 2 in the list above)?

    well, after ancient Capua was abandoned, it layed wasted for centuries, untile in the medieval age, when a church was build on the location, and a village start to grow around the church, and then a town. So now we have S.Maria Capua Vetere, built in medieval age on the ruins of the ancient Capua.

    So now, you have this 2 towns.
    Capua (1) who was built in medieval age along the Volturnus by the original hinabitants of Capua, but it is not located on the real ancient Capua.
    Santamaria Capua Vetere (2) who is built on the exact ruins of the ancient Capua, but its hinabitants are not the descent of the real Capuans...

    headache...

    So if you want to speak with (in theory) the descents of the ancient Capuans you must to go to Capua.
    If you want to see all the ruins of the ancient Capua (there is a wonderfull anphiteatrum, a well preserved Mitreum an a lot of other things) you must go to Santa Maria Capua Vetere...

    But then... that's not true 100%, cause also in the Capua (1) there are a lot of ancient things used in the medieval palaces, cause as i sayd Capua (1) was founded by the original Capuans.

    So if you want to locate the exact geographical site, you have to write "Santa Maria Capua Vetere"
    while if you want to locate the real continuation of ancient capua, you have to write "Capua"

    your choice (i think in both cases, the hinabitants of the other town will get angry...just joking)

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    Thank you so much for your entries, friends, it is going better than I have expected!

    However, could somebody submit equivalents of the celtic and germanic cities in the central Europe?
    For instance, I must admit that being Czech and historian by education on top of that, I have been unable to indentify which archeological site is to be "Eburonum"...

    @ Obelics - That was a wonderfull and well written explanation, grazie amico!!!
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    Ciao VT_Marvin e Buona Estate! (have a good summer!)

    salute!

    EDIT:
    you have done the better choice, you have included both the towns, so every one will be happy

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    Ratae is short for "Ratae Corieltauvorum", which is Leicester in England.

    Two others I'm not sure about are "Camulosadae" which 'may' be Colchester, and Ictis, which 'may' be Exeter (the Romans called these "Camulodunum" & "Isca Dumnoniorum" respectively), both in England. Wikipedia gives only their Roman names, but says that both existed as Celtic towns before the Roman invasion, although the Celtic names are not given. I will give deference to any Celtic historians out there!

    Ynys-Mon is Anglesey in Wales, which is also still the Welsh name for the island.

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    Singidunum = Belgrade, Serbia
    Kydonia = Chania, Greece
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    Carrodunum could be Krakˇw(Cracow) and Ascaucalis can be Kalisz (dont know english name) both in Poland.
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    Budapest comes from the union of three cities: Obuda, Buda and Pest.

    Obuda, meaning old Buda, was the settlement built by Arpad and the first Hungarians over the remains of the Roman settlement of Aquincum. It served as his capital and as the main base for Hungarian raids into the rest of Europe. It was originally called Buda, and was either named after one of Attila's relatives, or some early Hungarian that came over with Arpad (the early geographic names of Hungarian places founded by the nobility seem to be based on people's names. Csepel island in the middle of the Danube, for example, is supposed to be named after Arpad's stableboy). When during the Mongol invasions, the new settlement slightly north was built, also called Buda, this settlement became known as old Buda. It was never actually wiped out entirely, but it lost most of it's importance after the Mongol invasions.

    Buda, was the name of the castle and settlement which later grew around it, which was built on the hills north of the original Buda during the Mongol invasions, for protection. It later became the capital of Hungary after the court moved from Pozsony (Bratislava) and today is still the section of Budapest where all the aristocrats and rich people live.

    Pest, a settlement built on the right bank of the Danube, across the river from the other two. It was founded during the original arrival of Hungarians as well, but unlike the other settlements, this seems to have been founded by commoners, since it's not named after anyone. Pest means brick oven in old Hungarian (like what they baked bread in), and so it's either named after those ovens, or some Slavic word meaning cave (disputed theory, nobody really knows the right answer). Pest later grew up to be a big market town, and effectively became the industrial center of Hungary. All the industrial workers and (today), most of the new immigrants live there. Plus, it's where I'm from!!

    In the 1800's, the chain bridge and several bridges over the Danube were built, so the three cities were merged into the present city of Budapest.

    Even though the city was merged a long time ago, it's still common today to say you're either from Buda, or Pest, when meeting someone. Also, it's often called Budospest (Stinky Pest) by people in the countryside who don't like the 'big city'.
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    Great piece of info, Victor1234! Appreciated!
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    Trapezous = Trabzon, Turkey

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    Quote Originally Posted by V.T. Marvin View Post
    However, could somebody submit equivalents of the celtic and germanic cities in the central Europe?
    The Germanic people did not found towns before the Middle Ages. Artaunon, or Arctaunon, is a Celtic town named by Ptolemaius in the region of modern day Frankfurt (Main), what is presumably the Heidetrńnk-Oppidum. Gawajam-Kimbroz seems to be placed where Vorbasse is, an important archaeological site in Denmark. The dot of Gawajam-Heruskoz marks the region as well of the place of the Varrus Battle as of an important crossing of two Ancient trade routes, the one running from the Rhine East to the Elbe, the other from the Main North to Denmark. In the Middle Ages the town Dortmund was founded there, but the place was certainly inhabited long before that.

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    Lixus - north of Larache, Morocco
    Sala - Chellah, on the outskirts of Rabat, Morocco
    Siga - Raghgoun, Algeria
    Ippone/Hippo Regius - Annaba, Algeria
    Kirtan - Destroyed and rebuilt as Constantine, Algeria
    Atiqa - Destroyed around 800AD
    Adrumeto - Sousse, Tunesia
    Garama - near Sabha, Lybia
    Lepki - Wadi Lebda, Al Khums, Lybia
    Kyrene - Destroyed, ruins near Shahhat, Lybia
    Augila - Awjila, Lybia
    Ammonion - Siwa, Egypt
    Paraitonion - Marsa Matruh, Egypt
    Memphis - Ruins near Cairo
    Hibis - Kharga, Egypt
    Diospolis-Megale/Thebes - near Luxor and al-Karnak, Egypt
    Pselkis - El-Dakka, Egypt?
    Ptolemais-Theron - unknown?
    Meroe - Deserted, in the middle of nowhere, Sudan
    Axum - Axum, Ethiopia

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    My very small contribution :

    Aventicos (Celtic name and so called in EB map) = Avenches (Suisse)


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    So Gawjam-Heruskoz is Dortmund?

    Iuvavoaeta = Salzburg.

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    Tingis - Tanja

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    What about Oxtraca? is it dead or just changed the name too?
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