Islamist censorship reaches America

[Fragony]

Problems major and small should be adressed, in a climate of political correctness that wasn't possible. Now we see something else, in their electoral panic the leftist party's have suddenly grow cojones and are oppertunistically saying the exact same thing Pim Fortuyn did while making it appear they reinvented the wheel (if you want a very specific example, that is probably the most illustrative, the most blatant hate campaign I ever saw), also the treatment Hirschi Ali got when she pointed out that the position of women is far from perfect in the muslim society, suddenly she was no longer the champion who fought her way up from the ranks in a deeply racist society, she was now a sexually frustrated minx who projected her insecurities on muslims, that is how it works here blaming the messenger is easier then adressing the problems. It is a suffocating climate where nothing gets done. The problems are minor it really comes down to a few hundred annoying but pretty harmless youths, the reaction completily whack.

[Koga No Goshi]

Sounds like a mess. Remember though in fairness that even in the west, if a woman questions the status or role of women in their culture they're called everything from lesbians to man-hating femminazis. That is not to say the West and the Muslim world are equivalent on issues of women's rights. But it is to say that we are not perfect and we react with quite a lot of hostility when called out, as well.

[Fragony]

Sounds like a mess.

Not really, our problems are wildly exaggerated, crime is low and you can count radical muslims on a hand. Let's take crime for example. All that needs to be done is apply the law, it or rascals aged 14/18 that are incredibly annoying and a terror for the neighbourhoods but just applying the law would suffice, but what happens and I am not kidding, they get a holiday to marocco to catch butterflies. Apparently that would greatly bring them to new insights, somehow. Over 10 organisation are apparently needed to organise a trip to marocco, that is how things work here, until next eections that is where the left will be sweeped away. As for radical islam that is another matter, that would get us on track, the strange phenomena that is dhimmitude and self-islamisation, it is pure clientism for a percieved problem, but the consequences are potentially disastrous.

[Adrian II]

The upheaval over the Danish cartoons didn't start when they were published. Islamist reaction came six months later, after a deliberate campaign.

A deliberate campaign by islamists from Denmark, not by Danish dhimmis.

It has always been thus. In the very first case of this kind, the fatwa on Rushdie's book, the problem started after islamists in Bradford, United Kingdom, burned it publicly to draw attention to what they considered to be its blasphemous nature. Khomeini only caught on to it much later, when he saw the supposed political capital to be made from it.


Koga No Goshi is right that the only true allies of the islamists in the West are certain Christians, more than certain leftists. The fellow-travelling lefties only use them, the Christians actually respect them. Oh ye faint of heart and brain! Remember Navaros, who would rather side with Al Queda in Iraq than with the U.S. soldiers there.

[Fragony]

should be noted that the Danes gave them a major screw you.

I think we should make a destinction between the two different types of dhimmitude; the soft version, clientism/self-islamisation, and the hard one, dhimmitude out of fear. The latter is virtually inexistant and thus relativily harmless, it's a muslim problem in the muslim world but that don't affect us in any way.