Post your suggestions for new units !

[Barry Soteiro]

Here are a few ideas of mine :

1) Paionian cavalry : a must

2) The "blue" celtiberians guys

3) Indian chariots

4) Aetolian cavalry

What do yout think ?

[lobf]

I thought you were banned...

[Dumbass]

Here are a few ideas of mine :
2) The "blue" celtiberians guys

Ahh, those blue celtiberian guys. I know exactly what you mean.

[Sarcasm]

The what now?

[kuzduck]

is the team looking for suggestions on new units? i thought they were running out of unit spots, or mabey that was provinces...

[Mithridates VI Eupator]

Here are a few ideas of mine :

2) The "blue" celtiberians guys

What?
The blueman-group got a time-machine and started breeding?


Anyway, I know I might be jumping to conclusions here, but if there will be a Numidian faction, I read about some elite cavalry employed by Jugurtha called "regii equites", (by the romans, apparantly).
This force was drawn from Jugurtha's Gaetulian allies, and is said to have been one of the most loyal forces of the army, as they, in contrast to most Numidians, did not desert after a defeat.
Such a unit could, for example, be avalible to the Numidians in their southernh provinces, given that they have gone through some sort of reforms, and have a moral bonus, representing their loyalty to the king.

However, all pure speculation.

[Foot]

We didn't start this thread, and we certainly aren't looking for new unit suggestions. If someone comes a long with a well written piece about a unit that we did not know about or did not think was viable we'll listen, discuss and make our decisions. But otherwise this is just like the new factions thread, people letting their imaginations run while they wait for EBII.

Foot

[Mithridates VI Eupator]

Indeed!

I have no delusions that the EB team would listen to my (from time to time) insane ramblings. However, it is hard to resist the urge to post...

[ludwag]

foot, if someone gives a good suggestion, will you tell us if you have included that unit? I really want you to add the thracian infantry with rompahia and shield. not the falxmen or bastarnae or pelatists, just infantry. with bronze armour and phyrigan helmet with face mask. I really miss that in eb 1. The closest that is to it is the Thrakioi Peltastai. I can make a simple picture in paint to show you what i mean. and it is historacly correct.

[Foot]

This isn't some guessing game, we are not going to reward people with previews of units we aren't ready to reveal yet.

As for the unit you mention above, is this what you are looking for:

They are in EBI you know.

Foot

[Hax]

..and that's when they woke up and noticed it was just a dream...

[ludwag]

1. i just wasnt sure of if you had added it allready, so it would be stupid to talking about units that would be added IF you added a thracian faction or a new merchendary. and i understand it is not in eb 1 becouse getai did not use that kind of troops, but ordysay did and they are only elutheroi and no playable.

2. the thraikioi rhomphaiaporoi is heavy infantry with a very long two handed sword and no javelins. What i mean are something more like the thracian pelatist that is in the game, but more heavy, if you know what i mean. i have read much about thracians lately. i will try to find a good picture, maybe from one of the osprey books.

[Foot]

1. Are the ordysay (sp?) you talk about the Ordes? Cos thats who the Getic faction represent. Regardless we still have units representing a people in an area even if they don't appear as a playable faction.

2. I cannot speak on behalf of the historians working in this area, but if you can find information on this unit I'm sure they will be interested to take a look. You'll need something better than osprey however.

Foot

[Leviathan DarklyCute]

This thread is so funny.

[Matinius Brutus]

What is actually funny is Ludawg's insisting on old R:TW Vanilla units to be included in EB!

[chairman]

Ludwag: the Thrakioi Peltastai are the unit you are talking about. The only difference is that the EB version has some light armor. I'm guessing that you didn't notice that the Thrakian peltasts actually do use the rhomphaia (i hate infinitely long, unpronouncable greek words for barbarian things), phrygian and attic helmets like you want (some of the peltast models might get the attic in EB2) and the thureos (that's the shield you like).

From your drawing, I assume that you have the Osprey Men-at-Arms book "MAA 360 The Thracians 700 BC - AD 46". However, as Foot alluded to, EB uses more than just Osprey books to design units (though some units bear freakishly close resemblence to some pictures from Osprey). So while the Thrakioi Peltastai don't look exactly like the soldiers from MAA 360, they represent the true warrior type from Thracian history.

Hope that helped explain some things.

Chairman

[ludwag]

What is actually funny is Ludawg's insisting on old R:TW Vanilla units to be included in EB!

what kind of units are you talking about? You are talking about the ls-armour? I cant se that thracian infantry is an old vanilla unit. You mean they guys with green hair?

foot, how do you want the historcal information to be presented? Do i need to send you a lot of sources, or do i have to collect some information and give a description? And how do i even know if this kind of unit fits in the gameballance out from the historical evidence? you are the the one how decides that.

[Foot]

Collect information and write a description but also give your sources. We'll read it and then we can decide. But we cannot promise anything. So no you don't know if it will fit in the game, but if you want to do some research than you are more than welcome to. But in the end it is up to the historians for that area who will decide.

Foot

[Mithridates VI Eupator]

1. Are the ordysay (sp?) you talk about the Ordes? Cos thats who the Getic faction represent.
Foot

I think he is refering to the Odrysians.

Ludwag: The Thraikioi Peltastai is basically the same, as Chairman stated, with romphaia and all, and as the M2TW engine allows for variance in unit skins, I don't think there will be any problem.

[Hax]

Actually, I believe the Thraikioi Peltastai wield falxes.

[Mithridates VI Eupator]

Actually, I believe the Thraikioi Peltastai wield falxes.

I thought falxes were the heavier, two-handed variant... Or maybe It's the other way around.

[Hax]

It's the other way around. Rhomphaioi are the big evil two-handed thing. The falx is shorter, and could be wielded with one hand (not for long, but still).

[Mithridates VI Eupator]

I stand corrected!

[Strategos Alexandros]

Actually Mithridates is right. Taken from the EB site description for Thraikioi Peltastai: They are expert javelinmen, able to pepper their targets with javelins before charging in with their fearsome rhomphaias.

[Hax]

Then it's probably that the EB website is wrong, in this case.



See these longswords, those are rhomphaias.



If we look at this falx, you notice that it is way shorter in comparison. If you then look at the way the Thraikioi Peltastai wield their weapons, you can see that they are wielding it with one hand. A rhomphaia is longer (and thus heavier), and required two hands. A falx was shorter and could be wielded with one hand.

[Barry Soteiro]

My new suggestions :


Phrygian heavy cavalary
Bythinian light cavalry
Pisidian slingers
Cilician infantry
Cilician cavalry
Pamphylian light infantry

Machimoi Epilektoi
Nubian Kleruchoi
Libyan Wildmen
Libyan Chariotry
Cyprus Light Phalanx
Ptolemaic Felt Cataphract

Gedrosian Light Infantry
Characene Slinger
Parthian Camel Cataphract
Elamite Camelry
Babylonian Light Phalanx
Caspian Javelinists

Blue Celtiberians

[Strategos Alexandros]

Then it's probably that the EB website is wrong, in this case.

I stand corrected.
Edit: and what are blue Celtiberians?

[Hax]

Parthian Camel Cataphract

/me dies from the inside.

I think that he means Gaesatae with woad from Celtiberia.

[TheGlobalizer]

I'd prefer:

Dragons
Ogres
....Unicorns.

[Tollheit]

/me dies from the inside.

Herodian of Antioch, book IV, chapter XIV, line 3:
"Macrinus thus received the office of emperor not so much because of the soldiers' affection and loyalty as from necessity and the urgency of the impending crisis.

While these events were taking place, Artabanus was marching toward the Romans with a huge army, including a strong cavalry contingent and a powerful unit of archers and those mail-clad soldiers who hurl spears from camels."