Ptolemaic Cavalry in EBII

[Barry Soteiro]

Will some changes be made :

What I love :
Hippakontistai
Hippeis Machimoi
Hippeis Lonchophoroi
Hippeis Ethiopaioi
Hetairoi

What I like less :
Hippeis Kleruchoi (doubtfully used ?)


Wha I would like to see :
Hippeis Garamantines
Hippeis Libyoi
Sidonian Hippeis
Felt Cataphracts

[General Appo]

Maybe they havn´t decided yet, and even if they have, they´re very unlikely to reveal it in this thread. Will most likely be revealed in a Stele or some such.

BTW, could´t you just have asked your question in one thread, instead of making several ones?

[Foot]

We are not at a point where we can comment on the inclusion of such units.

Return in a year.

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[MeinPanzer]

Wha I would like to see :
Hippeis Garamantines
Hippeis Libyoi
Sidonian Hippeis
Felt Cataphracts

I'd be curious to hear what evidence you have to justify the inclusion of these units?

If your evidence for the Hippeis "Lybioi" is the account of the battle of Raphia, you do realize that that mention almost certainly refers to cleruch cavalrymen "from Libya," and not actual Libyans? So that unit is already represented in the Hippeis Klerouchoi.

As for the felt cataphracts, their mention in Agatharchides makes clear that they were a one-off and an anomaly, which doesn't really justify having a whole unit slot taken up with them, and even then, the description of the unit states that only the vanguard of the formation were equipped with felt coverings for rider and horse.

[paullus]

you doubt the use of the klerouchoi hippeis? on what grounds? as for the others, what makes you think "sidonian hippeis" would be at all different from other mounted hellenic/hellenizing units? what's your evidence for garamantine hippeis as a ptolemaic unit?

the one on our current list i'm not sold on is the machimoi hippeis. aside from that there could be some name or armament changes.