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    Quote Originally Posted by Koga No Goshi View Post
    But I think that humanity has become less spiritual, not more, and religion has CONTRIBUTED to that. Religious and spiritual are not at all the same thing whatsoever.
    thats my point. we're hopefully going to stop blindly following religions and dogmatic propaganda and truly come to a better spiritual understanding.

    We'll realize that the original message of every founder of a dogmatic religion was twisted and distorted over the ages to further the political agendas of the establishments and people who ended up inheriting their respective legacies.

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    This is very interesting question, I'm intrigued.

    I voted undecided.

    As an atheist who believes that people should have total freedom to worship whoever or whatever they wish without interference from anyone else, I hope that by the year 3000, there is no religious conflict. Honestly however, I don't see it happening.

    Whether religion survives without changing or not I believe it will survive, and the diversity will be just as large. As many people have an inherent will to believe, and others are brought up with a reiligion I don't see it falling out of favour, particularly as science does not have all the answers. The question of a God's existence is totally unprovable either way.

    It makes sense to me that religions will evolve as the years go by, but that the major religions in the world will still be in a recognisable form. Christianity has lasted for two milennia, Islam for one and a half, and Judaism and Buddhism for much longer than that.

    My one hope is that fanaticism of the magnitude that leads to war and destruction in the name of a god, will fade out, but again I don't see it happening. Caledonian Rhyfelwyr is quite right however in saying that if you eliminate religion, race will take its place in causing conflict. In fact we can see that now in the representation of Islam in western society. The word Muslim has become ethnicised, and refers to people who come from Islamic countries rather than staunchly religious people.


    Sextus, the whole point of religion is that it is unfathomable. God is the explanation. The nature of religion is faith in what you cannot prove. In other words I don't quite understand your point that we will understand God and religion.

    However religion survives one can only hope that difference and freedom are accepted rather than attacked.
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    As we all know and statistics prove that people of Islamic faith and more religios than of people of Catholism, as in many Europeans for example are not religious when 90% of people from the east are. We also know that many people from the east are here in the west being religious. In the year 3000 it would not be far wrong to assume that one religion shall rule them all.. Islam. This would be a good thing as terrorism would cease to be, religious wars will stop and the world shall grow stronger if it is all united. So in 1000 years i'm not saying that the white man will not exist but the white man will be Islamic.

    As a white man myself I do get rather confused about Islam, Muslim, Hindu etc so if I have used an eastern term incorrectly I am sure that you will not use it against me but rather point out which term I have got mixed up. Thank you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carlos Matthews View Post
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    As we all know and statistics prove that people of Islamic faith and more religios than of people of Catholism, as in many Europeans for example are not religious when 90% of people from the east are. We also know that many people from the east are here in the west being religious. In the year 3000 it would not be far wrong to assume that one religion shall rule them all.. Islam. This would be a good thing as terrorism would cease to be, religious wars will stop and the world shall grow stronger if it is all united. So in 1000 years i'm not saying that the white man will not exist but the white man will be Islamic.

    As a white man myself I do get rather confused about Islam, Muslim, Hindu etc so if I have used an eastern term incorrectly I am sure that you will not use it against me but rather point out which term I have got mixed up. Thank you.
    That sounds like a horrible world to me. A theocracy under any religion is a horrible prospect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carlos Matthews View Post
    *Controversial Post is forthcoming*

    As we all know and statistics prove that people of Islamic faith and more religios than of people of Catholism, as in many Europeans for example are not religious when 90% of people from the east are. We also know that many people from the east are here in the west being religious. In the year 3000 it would not be far wrong to assume that one religion shall rule them all.. Islam. This would be a good thing as terrorism would cease to be, religious wars will stop and the world shall grow stronger if it is all united. So in 1000 years i'm not saying that the white man will not exist but the white man will be Islamic.

    As a white man myself I do get rather confused about Islam, Muslim, Hindu etc so if I have used an eastern term incorrectly I am sure that you will not use it against me but rather point out which term I have got mixed up. Thank you.
    I don't find it controversial - it's really as good as any future prospect when it comes to accuracy. Prophecies do, after all, tend to fail horribly, the whole lot of them.
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    I doubt Islam will ever be the one world religion. If Islam does spread in the west then it will suffer from the same problems as Christianity as people give up their faith in search of secular pursuits, and liberalism leads to the Quran being taken apart and made to suit the wishes of liberal Muslims. Indeed this is already happening, it can be seen on debates quite regularly on TV, while it used to be unheard of.

    It seems more likely that deism, universalism, New Age etc will form the one world religion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhyfelwyr View Post
    It seems more likely that deism, universalism, New Age etc will form the one world religion.
    No I would say that we will have more religon but they will be smaller in adherants its like when they only used to be a couple of channels on telly then everyone watched the same programes then comes satellite and suddenly people are watching niche japanese porn using pogo sticks more choice leads to a leveling of the field.
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    Default Re: Will we have religion year 3000?

    Quote Originally Posted by Carlos Matthews View Post
    *Controversial Post is forthcoming*

    As we all know and statistics prove that people of Islamic faith and more religios than of people of Catholism, as in many Europeans for example are not religious when 90% of people from the east are. We also know that many people from the east are here in the west being religious. In the year 3000 it would not be far wrong to assume that one religion shall rule them all.. Islam. This would be a good thing as terrorism would cease to be, religious wars will stop and the world shall grow stronger if it is all united. So in 1000 years i'm not saying that the white man will not exist but the white man will be Islamic.

    As a white man myself I do get rather confused about Islam, Muslim, Hindu etc so if I have used an eastern term incorrectly I am sure that you will not use it against me but rather point out which term I have got mixed up. Thank you.
    The issue that I have with this is that there is a reason that many Europeans are not as religious as Muslims. It's called the Enlightenment. Basically, under Enlightenment principles, out of which the concept of a liberal democracy grew out of, everything, particularly religion, is open to, and should be subjected to questioning.

    Islam hasn't yet undergone an Enlightenment, and according to some, like Ayaan Hirsi Ali (a Somalian-born, Dutch politician, who is famed for being 'Anti-Islam'), believe that it never will. While the connotation that Islamic states are medievalist is unfair, a lack of Enlightenment principles explains the relatively large fundamentalist population, and the larger role that religion plays in everyday life in the Middle East.

    The fact that immigration from Muslim countries to Europe is increasing and that these people are on the whole much more religious than native populations, does not account for a rejection of enligthenment principles on the part of native Europeans. Also despite the marked increase, Muslim populations in Europe are still a small minority in most EU countries.

    A good point though. Do you mind providing the source for those statistics? I'm currently writing a research assignment on the place of Islam in Europe, and may be able to use them.

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