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    CONCERT OF EUROPE[/SIZE]

    Prelude

    Anno Domini 1815: after a long and devastating serial of wars, campaigns and battles Napoleon is defeated. The victorious sovereigns meet to restore order at the Conference of Vienna.

    The Austrian capital hosts assignees of about 200 European states, corporations and cities. Among them are all leading countries with the exception of the Ottoman Empire. These great powers play the dominant roles:

    Russia, LORD WINTER
    Great Britain KING KURT,
    Austria, WARMAN
    Prussia ICHIGO and
    the restored French monarchy.Tiberius of the Drake
    Sardia (Piemont and Genoa): King Jan III Sobieski

    Warluster is 1st in line!!

    The countries soon agree that the new order shall be built on the fundament of five principles:

    1) Legitimacy - Old dynasties have to be restored
    2) Restoration – The political and social conditions of the pre-revolutionary era have to be restored. This principle shall also be the barrier against any revolutionary threat, liberal or nationalistic.
    3) Monarchy – order can only base and be guaranteed by the God send authority of the true monarch.
    4) Solidarity – the power of the monarchs will be completed by the solidarity between the monarchs.
    5) System of European Equilibrium – no country shall be able to dominate Europe, again. All future conflicts shall be solved by a peaceful agreement of the five great powers, the Concert of Europe.

    As interests of the participants still collide it soon becomes evident, that implementing the last principle is the most difficult task.
    The goal of Austrian Foreign Minister Metternich is an Austrian dominated Central Europe, forming a counterbalance to the powers in the east and the west, Russia and France.
    Main goal of Russia is to gain main part of Poland. The czar tinkers with the idea to build a constitutional state there.
    The English deputy, on the other hand, similar to Metternich, aspires to a conservative Europe and wants to avoid further increase of the Russian power.
    France fights the desire of a German unification to protect her own position as a great power.
    Prussia, however, wants to increase her power by a stronger German union, though this would be against the interests of the small German countries as well as Austria.

    Differences are strong and for a moment a new war seems to be more likely than a lasting peace agreement.

    Then, however, Napoleon is back. He landed at the French shores and is seizing power again. He, who had forced his will upon the European counties so many times before, manages to unite the disputing congress. The assignees agree on forming a new coalition army of about 700,000 men. Immediately, a Prussian army of 117,000 under the command of Blücher marches against France, while the English send Wellington along with 100,000 soldiers from England, Hannover, the Netherlands and Belgium.


    If you would like to join the CONCERT OF EUROPE, just select one of the great powers.
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    I'll take Prussia
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    YAY!!!!!!!!!


    I want to take Austria Please


    Ichio, Prussia, Bad Ichi
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    England for me please!!
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    En Francais!


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    Mother Russia!
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    So we have the 5 main parties! Great! Welcome, Gentlemen!
    The show will start as soon as possible!

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    Excellet! I can not wait

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    Franc - are you going to post a first chapter or do we need to anything now?
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    Chapter 1 – June 1815

    Hurray! Napoleon is defeated!

    At Belle Alliance, a place close Brussels, the allied armies of Blücher and Wellington overwhelmed the troops of the Corsican usurper. Currently, the Prussian army is marching southwards to occupy Paris and to reinstall order once more.

    At Vienna, the assignees finally finished the congress and agreed to a new order. These two events mark the end of a long and tragic phase that started with the French revolution.

    The Austrian Empire abdicates her claims on the Netherlands and her former possession at the Upper Rhine. She gets back Galicia, while Krakau becomes the Republic of Krakow. Illyria comes to Austria, as well as Salzburg. Habsburg also rules over the Kingdom of Lombardy-Venetia, the Toscana and Parma and has now a stronger position at Northern Italy than before.

    Prussia gains new territories at the Rhine. However, it only receives one province from Saxony. She also receives new territories the east – Posen and the city of Danzig – but has to give up Polish territories. The shift to the west brings Prussia into direct contact with France. The splintering of its territory makes it inalienable to find an agreement with the small German countries.

    The Russian czar received the biggest part of Poland and his claims on Finland and Bessarabia were confirmed.

    France lost the territories that she had conquered during the Napoleonic Wars, but Talleyrand could avoid further losses. His greatest success is that France is now recognized as equal great power.

    The English acquisitions – Malta, Helgoland and the Ionic Islands – were confirmed.

    The Kingdom of Bavaria lost Tyrol, but received Franconia and the Palatinate. The Kingdom of Württemberg and the Grand Duchy of Baden could keep their territories. The Kingdom of Hannover – in personal union with the UK - Braunschweig, Oldenburg, Hessen-Kassel and the city states of Hamburg, Lübeck, Bremen and Frankfurt became sovereign states. The Kingdom of Saxony, however, lost two third of her territory. The number of independent territories is now much smaller than before the Napoleonic wars.

    Denmark lost Norway to Sweden.

    Hence, all territorial issues are solved. The five great powers committed to deal new problems in agreement. However, during the negotiations, there has been a rapprochement of Prussia and Russia on one side and of England, Austria and France on the other side.

    The new order is decided and the aftermath of the revolution and the Napoleonic era are overcome. The disease is restored, but the pathogens are still there – fatuous and dangerous ideas of Liberalism and Nationalism. The great powers will have to be alert to contain them.

    After the message of the final defeat of the Imperial French army, people celebrated all over Europe. Soon afterwards, unhappiness spreads in some areas.
    In Germany, those who fought in the “Freikorps” for a united and liberal Germany find themselves betrayed.

    Also Italian and Polish nationalists are not satisfied with the results of the congress.
    Another event that causes trouble happened at London. The English government had financed the war with government bonds. Bankers as well as private patriots from the middle and upper class bought them and enabled the campaigns against Napoleon. A banker called Rothschild, who had bought a big number of bonds, had its own messengers at Wellington’s staff. He received the message of the victory even before the crown. He sold his bonds immediately and this caused a panic on the market, because people thought that Rothschild had received bad news from the front: everyone tried to sell his bonds and the price fell. When it reached the bottom, Rothschild bought all bonds he could get. Then the message of Wellington’s victory came and Rothschild made a fortune.

    Now that the congress is over, work begins. The 19th - the long century - has still a lot of challanges for you!


    TASKS (for the period between June 1815 and June 1816)

    ALL:
    A) Constitution: Now that the Napoleonic War is over, it is time to check (and maybe change or introduce) the constitution.
    B) Military: You all have huge armies. Now it is time to decide about the size and organization of your army and navy in times of peace.
    C) The war against Napoleon did not only take blood; most of all, it took money. Your finances are shattered. You do you want to balance the budget?
    D) You confirmed to fight any revolutionary stream. What is your position regarding censorship and freedom of speech?

    Austria:
    1) Another decision of the congress was to form a German union; please start negotiations with the other German countries about this issue.
    2) There was also the proposal to renew the Holy Alliance, a military co-operation to intervene against any revolutionary activities. Although the focus is the observation of the always somehow fanatic French, the pact could be effective sources of trouble as well. Start negotiations!
    3) You have to decide about your long-term strategy: will you put the focus on Germany and try to reinstall the German Empire under the leadership of Habsburg or will you put the focus on the Balkans?
    4) How do you deal with national minorities – like Hungarians or Italians? Do they get special rights in the constitution?

    Prussia:
    1) Another decision of the congress was to form a German union; please start negotiations with the other German countries about this issue.
    2) There was also the proposal to renew the Holy Alliance, a military co-operation to intervene against any revolutionary activities. Although the focus is the observation of the always somehow fanatic French, the pact could be effective sources of trouble as well. Start negotiations!
    3) How do you integrate the new territories? How do you deal with minorities?

    Russia:
    1) There was the proposal to renew the Holy Alliance, a military co-operation to intervene against any revolutionary activities. Although the focus is the observation of the always somehow fanatic French, the pact could be effective sources of trouble as well. Start negotiations!
    2) What do you want to do with your new Polish territories – give them an independent status and a liberal constitution or do integrate them into the Russian Empire?
    3) If you look at the efforts of the Russians during the war, it seems that the reward is far too small. Try to find a diplomatic arrangement that offers you the option to increase your influence at Europe.

    France:
    You surely have the hardest part of all. The land is broken and there is hardly anyone you can trust!
    1) The allies will occupy Paris and this will allow you to return into the capitol. How do you plan your return?
    2) You do not have an army or an administration. How do you want to recruit them?
    3) The constitution: will you decide or propose, will you make a public decision? What will be the role of the parliament?
    4) There are many emigrants which are following you. They expect to get their old privileges and back. Make a regulation!
    5) There are many generals and officers which had betrayed you when Napoleon returned, for ex. Ney. What do you intend to do with them?
    6) What will happen to those which committed crimes during the revolution?
    7) Do you intend to enter the Holy Alliance?

    England:
    1) There was the proposal to renew the Holy Alliance, a military co-operation to intervene against any revolutionary activities. Although the focus is the observation of the always somehow fanatic French, the pact could be effective sources of trouble as well. Start negotiations!
    2) Now that war is over, the superior English industry could dominate the European market – in case the trade barriers fall. Start negotiations about this.
    3) The loss of your American colonies still hurts. You should think about a new strategy and the role of the government / army in this strategy.

    P.S. Could someone post a map?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Franconicus View Post
    [B]Chapter 1 – June 1815
    P.S. Could someone post a map?

    I was just about to ask that !



    http://www.libarts.ucok.edu/history/...PS/eur1815.htm

    http://www.bartleby.com/67/wester01.html


    maybe these would work?

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    One more though, how about adding Sweden to the Game for the Heck of it ?

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    There could be more factions - five is the minimum!

    Comment:
    The constitution: during the war, you were forced to make some. Find out, which rights you gave. Now that the war is over, you may want to change this. Have an eye on the role of the parliament, the right of free speech and write. Who is allowed to vote. What about minorities.

    Timing: Take your time. No need to hury in the first period!

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    I believe the right to free speech should be allowed, but to a extent. If we allow to much freedom, we will be back at where we started. Censorship should be slighty loosed for the people's enjoyment, but not a whole lot.


    What is the views of my Foregien Counter Parts?




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    This is my best guess:



    Russia,
    Annual State Budget: 30 million talers
    Army size: 500,000 soldier
    cost: 60 taler per year for a regular soldier
    Depth: 200 million talers

    Great Britain:
    Annual State Budget: 25 million talers
    Army size: 35,000 (foreign regiments already released)
    Cost for army: 120 talers per year for a regular soldier
    Depth: 120 million talers (in national bonds)

    Austria:
    Annual State Budget: 25 million talers
    Army size: 400,000 soldiers (volunteers already released)
    Cost for army: 90 talers per year for a regular soldier
    Depth: 100 million talers; (Austria was bankrupt in 1811; this reduced the depth, but she will not get money from the finance markets!)

    Prussia:
    Annual State Budget: 20 million talers
    Army size: 230,000 soldiers plus 120,000 Landwehr (volunteers already released)
    Cost for army: 100 talers per year for a regular soldier, Landwehr less
    Depth: 150 million talers plus 15 million to Denmark

    France
    Annual State Budget: none
    Army size: none
    Cost for army: 100 talers per year for a regular soldier
    Depth: 150 million talers; additionally, she has to pay 700 million to the allied countries due to the Treaty of Paris

    Comments:
    Please note that
     the recruitment and equipment of new regiments costs more money
     war increases the costs
     France is still occupied and the foreign troops will not leave before the money is paid. However, how to distribute the 700 million is still an issue of negotiations!
    Don`t have anything about the navies (size and cost) but I guess Kurt can help!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Franconicus View Post

    France
    Depth: 150 million talers; additionally, she has to pay 700 million to the allied countries due to the Treaty of Paris


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    Quote Originally Posted by {BHC}AntiWarmanCake88 View Post
    I believe the right to free speech should be allowed, but to a extent. If we allow to much freedom, we will be back at where we started. Censorship should be slighty loosed for the people's enjoyment, but not a whole lot.


    What is the views of my Foregien Counter Parts?




    Francis II
    The Tsar is willing to allow gentlemen like debate in Russia. However any vulger cries for sedition will be dealt with harshly.
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    Forgot to mention: About 60 % of your income is spend for administration

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    Franc, When are orders due?
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    What about end of the week?

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    Friday Sounds Good Fran?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Franconicus View Post
    What about end of the week?
    When it occurs to a man that nature does not regard him as important and that she feels she would not maim the universe by disposing of him, he at first wishes to throw bricks at the temple, and he hates deeply the fact that there are no bricks and no temples
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    http://www.euratlas.com/history_euro..._map_1800.html


    15 years sooner, but with some editing, it should work out. More Detailed then the other maps I think

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    The Kingdoms and Granddutchies of Baden, Hessen-Kassel and Hessen-Darmstadt suffered most from the insane ambitions of Napoleon. The insist on a compensation of 100 million talers.


    The Kingdom of Bavaria and the the Dranddutchy of Württemberg
    demand 100 million talers from the French!

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    We Of Austrian Empire Refused the French's reducded Payment. We Demand the full 100 million talers to pay off our debts from the wars. France will go bankurput you say? Well how can you be sure that France can pay off 400 millon talers or so, Louis XVIII?


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    I send my orders in Friday or Saturday,Franconius, that ok ?

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    Franc - I am looking into the navy situation and hope to have something soon, but I am very busy at the moment.

    The general situation is that England rules the waves with the biggest navy by far. A lot of the ships were laid off after the defeat of Napoleon, even in the Royal Navy, so costs have fallen drastically. What I might come up with is a simple formula or something like that for the participants - is that OK?

    The USA are important from the naval point of view and, of course, England has just finished a war with them - where we burnt a lot of Washington amongst other things!! The war was mainly naval with small land operations. It might be worth thinking of another player for them in the future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by King Kurt View Post
    The USA are important from the naval point of view and, of course, England has just finished a war with them - where we burnt a lot of Washington amongst other things!! The war was mainly naval with small land operations. It might be worth thinking of another player for them in the future.

    Hope to get my move in early next week.

    Yeah... England still lost though against us

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    Quote Originally Posted by {BHC}AntiWarmanCake88 View Post
    Yeah... England still lost though against us
    Oh - I must have missed the bit where the Americans landed near London and burnt our capital down. The White house is so called as it had to be whitewashed to hide the burn marks.....and it has been the home of many a good whitewash ever since
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    Won the battle, but lost the war


    England lost to us once, then twice, I thought you guys were suppose to be the best nation in the world at that time?


    Anyhow, On Topic:

    I get my decsions in today Mr.Franconius.

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