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    Default Pahlava reform guide.

    I am going to use this as a guide to the Pahlava reforms, using screenshots of each stage to help people who are confused about the method of gaining them. If such a guide already exists could someone let me know so I don't waste my time on this when I could be doing my AAR.

    I will use the same city for the guide so the order is clear, it may take quite a few days to get through it all.

    Condensed list of buildings in the order needed:

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    1.Military occupation.
    2.Migration
    3.Pastoralism
    4.Large Nomad Market
    5.Settled Community
    6.Warlords Horse Herds
    7.Reformed Pastoralism
    8.Advanced Settlement
    9.Settled Aristocracy
    10.Reformed Parthian Government.


    A map of where you can actually build the reforms:


    The first step, as with most factions, when taking a city is to impose Military Occupation over the settlement. This only takes one turn costing two hundred mnai. Next is Migration for a cost of two thousand mnai, being built over four turns:

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    Default Re: Pahlava reform guide.

    After you have migrated enough of the tribes to your new province you need to choose between Nomadism and Pastoralism. For the reformed government we need to go with Pastoralism, so choose that next:

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    Default Re: Pahlava reform guide.

    Pastoralism is simply a choice of how you wish to proceed with the development of the province and only takes one turn. The next step is probably the most likely to lead to difficulties further on, you need a Large Nomad Market, when you take over a settlement it may have a market building in a different culture and it can be hard to know which level it is. I have had to destroy market buildings and start from scratch as they haven't allowed me to build the next level. Also remember you need to be at the town (2000 inhabitants) level to be able to build a Large Nomad Market. In my example Persepolis has an Eastern Greek Very Large Market, which is one level higher than a Large Nomad Market so I don't need to upgrade:

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    Default Re: Pahlava reform guide.

    Next on the list is the Settled Community:

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    Default Re: Pahlava reform guide.

    Next up is Warlords Horse Herds, Elite Herds needs to be built first:


    Then Warlords Horse Herds can be built:

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    Default Re: Pahlava reform guide.

    The next step is reformed Pastoralism:


    Followed by Advanced Settlement:

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    Default Re: Pahlava reform guide.

    This is a great Thread!!!! Glad I found it, it should be stickied ;-)

    Question: Would you Build nomadism in all Settlements, in which you cannot get the Reform?


    Though a question. Is this map correct?



    I cannot build the reformed governement in persepolis and in Karmana neither
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    Default Re: Pahlava reform guide.

    The map should be correct. I'm not 100% sure about all the regions, but i could build PRG in Karmana and Persepolis so i dunno what's the problem.
    For the other question, i suggest building nomadism where you can. Or even better, a client kingdom, it will give you many units u cant have acceses to any other way.
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    Default Re: Pahlava reform guide.

    Thank you Anubis. I will tear down all the buildings in Persepolis and rebuild them, maybe then it works.
    Besides - I just realize, that the City johnhughthom used for his example IS persepolis :D so it must work.... except there have been changes in EB 1.2
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    Default Re: Pahlava reform guide.

    Quote Originally Posted by SwissBarbar View Post
    Thank you Anubis. I will tear down all the buildings in Persepolis and rebuild them, maybe then it works.
    Besides - I just realize, that the City johnhughthom used for his example IS persepolis :D so it must work.... except there have been changes in EB 1.2
    I implemented this government twice in Persepolis, both times with version 1.2.
    Perhaps you screwed up the build order. That happened to me and it cost me quite some time in my first Pahlava campaign.




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    Default Re: Pahlava reform guide.

    Quote Originally Posted by athanaric View Post
    I implemented this government twice in Persepolis, both times with version 1.2.
    Perhaps you screwed up the build order. That happened to me and it cost me quite some time in my first Pahlava campaign.
    Hehe... I once lost the paper where i had the guide, and i had no internet connection, so i bluffed my way in Gabai and Karmana, using different build - orders, and still got the reformed goverment in both towns! I guess i must be really lucky :D

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    Default Re: Pahlava reform guide.

    Quote Originally Posted by anubis88 View Post
    That poor Saba. Pahlava are like cryptonite to their poor unarmoured units :)
    I can only imagin ^^ When I have ordered the settlement-structures in my empire, I will also go on some campaigns ;-)

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    Default Re: Pahlava reform guide.

    Maybe it's not necessary anymore, it seems as if my campaign is stuck, because of a CTD that happenes during the turn, when the Romans make their moves. EVERY campaign get's lost sooner or later, it's so annoying. I can only hope MTW II is more stable than RTW, so EB II will not crash as often!
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    Default Re: Pahlava reform guide.

    Quote Originally Posted by SwissBarbar View Post
    Maybe it's not necessary anymore, it seems as if my campaign is stuck, because of a CTD that happenes during the turn, when the Romans make their moves. EVERY campaign get's lost sooner or later, it's so annoying. I can only hope MTW II is more stable than RTW, so EB II will not crash as often!
    Did you check if any Roman cities are about to rebel? That's usually the problem, since the AI leaves far away cities with no garrisons, and sometimes a revolt CTD follows
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    Default Re: Pahlava reform guide.

    It workes again. No idea why ^^
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    Default Re: Pahlava reform guide.

    At a certain point, when you have enough settled aristocracies, your generals will get the late bodyguard unit. Have you noticed that even your client rulers, your hellenistic mercenary generals, get the late bodyguard unit? Of course only those, who already are in duty. If you recruit new ones, they will have their old bodyguard units, whatever they are.
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    Default Re: Pahlava reform guide.

    Quote Originally Posted by SwissBarbar View Post
    At a certain point, when you have enough settled aristocracies when the damn Romans have finally managed to upgrade Capua, your generals will get the late bodyguard unit. Have you noticed that even your client rulers, your hellenistic mercenary generals, get the late bodyguard unit? Of course only those, who already are in duty. If you recruit new ones, they will have their old bodyguard units, whatever they are.
    Fixed.
    I had that with Hayasdan as well. A glitch, but a mostly positive one, seeing as your Client Rulers suddenly get a tank bodyguard. The most extreme cases happen when you somehow have managed to get a Celtic or Germanic mercenary general prior to the reforms.
    -> "Hlewagastiz suddenly opted for a different style of retinue..."
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    What a coincidence then, that the Romans build their huge town exactly that turn, I build about 10 aristocracies ^^
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    Default Re: Pahlava reform guide.

    But.... how do i get the Late Pahlava Bodyguard?!
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    Default Re: Pahlava reform guide.

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Blacksmith View Post
    But.... how do i get the Late Pahlava Bodyguard?!
    I believe it is linked to the vanilla Marian reforms, which you can't really affect without using the console. It just occurred in my game at around 215 BC. I prefer my old bodyguard with their missile attack actually...

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    Thanks... i was just getting bored of seeing the same unit all the time :P
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    Quote Originally Posted by johnhughthom View Post
    I prefer my old bodyguard with their missile attack actually...
    Me too. 'Late' isn't always 'Better'....

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    Default Re: Pahlava reform guide.

    It kicked in relatively early in my latest campaign, around 225 in fact. As this is the first time I've seriously played a Pahlava campaign (I know, I know), it's quite interesting to see how the reforms work, as I'm not used to this faction yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Titus Marcellus Scato View Post
    Me too. 'Late' isn't always 'Better'....
    The later one is better and more versatile in melee though. And looks historically more accurate AFAIK.




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    Could you add a list of province names and settlements the reforms are possible in to go with the map. That would clear up confusion over what provinces are in the map.
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