EB2 for Kingdoms only?

[Ibn-Khaldun]

Probably this have been asked and discussed before but..

Q: Is EB2 going to be for the Kingdoms expansion?
A: Yes, EB2 will be designed for Kingdoms and will only work with the Kingdoms expansion.

I haven't followed the work done with EB2 much so this comes as a surprise to me.

Can I ask why is it for Kingdoms only?

I don't have Kingdoms and I had no plans of getting one(SecuRom could give you a hint why). But perhaps I should reconsider it now.

[JMRC]

Because Kingdoms has several improvements over the base M2TW engine, specially in scripting, which allows us to solve some very important issues that we need.

[Ibn-Khaldun]

Because Kingdoms has several improvements over the base M2TW engine, specially in scripting, which allows us to solve some very important issues that we need.

That explains a lot.

Oh well, this means that I need to get Kingdoms then if I want to play EB2.

[General Appo]

Yeah, but by the time you EB is out, Kingdom should be available for a very low price, so it´s not really that big a deal.

[Hax]

Here in the Netherhax, you can get Kingdoms for five euro's (about 6 dollars/4 pounds) and Medieval II + Kingdoms for 15 euro's (or about 18 dollars/12 pounds)

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Of course I meant Netherlands

[Foot]

His problem is not that Kingdoms costs a lot of money (it doesn't really), but because SecuROM is essentially spyware marketed by professional companies.

Foot

[General Appo]

There are ways to get Kingdoms without SecuRom.....don´t hit me!

[Tellos Athenaios]

There are ways to get Kingdoms, to accept the SecuROM yet shut it off the outside world so it can't do anything the usualy Spyware does. Use a VM.

[Ibrahim]

There are ways to get Kingdoms, to accept the SecuROM yet shut it off the outside world so it can't do anything the usualy Spyware does. Use a VM.

you too?

[Tellos Athenaios]

No, personally I do not use a Virtual Machine -- but a Virtual Machine with a strict control over outgoing sockets by the master OS would allow you to isolate SecuROM without neccesarily sacrificing on usability.

[Ibrahim]

I see.

[a completely inoffensive name]

This SecuROM isn't really a problem is it? I doubt it would be any harmful if the EB team seems fine on creating their mod on a game with SecuROM.

[Ludens]

This SecuROM isn't really a problem is it? I doubt it would be any harmful if the EB team seems fine on creating their mod on a game with SecuROM.

It creates problems when certain other software applications are installed on your computer, I understand. Perfectly legal applications, I might add. However, it has been dubbed malware mainly because you cannot remove it: for the average user there won't be any consequences.

[Ibn-Khaldun]

... However, it has been dubbed malware mainly because you cannot remove it...

And this is the reason I don't want it into my computer. I don't want something in my computer that I can't get rid off!

[hellenes]

Ive removed Securom...and I enjoy Kingdoms...dont ask me how I did it...thats whats google for...

[Celtic_Punk]

what exactly does securom do? sideeffects and intended ones

[penguinking]

what exactly does securom do? sideeffects and intended ones

This summarizes it nicely:

For those who haven't been following the SecuROM thread at the Citadel, these posts summarize it well in a nutshell:

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpo...&postcount=232

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpo...&postcount=383

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpo...&postcount=253

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpo...&postcount=249

[bovi]

Except that you lost the links when you quoted.

[Recoil]

few questions regarding kingdoms/ securom

1st off- what exactly is spyware? this might seem obvious to you lot but i honestly have no idea what it is. what makes it so bad? and..

2- is there any way to buy and install kingdoms without getting the spyware on? cheers

[bovi]

1 - Google.
2 - Yes, you can buy the game, then install the pirated version. Then you will have an installation without Securom and still have bought the game, and you may have to jump through some hoops to get it to work properly. You cannot install the game from CD without Securom riding stealthily on its back.

I do this maneuver when they make games horrendously hard to use legally. Relic actually BANNED by email account without telling me why, when I first registered the Company of Heroes expansion, and I got no response at all on my request for customer support, so I thank the crackers who made me able to play the game I paid for. I'm never buying a Relic game again though.

I certainly have Securom installed from all the other games that it sneaks in on though, and had to update Securom to make Fallout3 work at all.

[Majd il-Romani]

ok but what IS SecuRom and what does it do, how will it affect my comp/games

[Foot]

Wikipedia exists for a reason. Use it.

Foot

[Recoil]

wow, i just read up on it and CA must be malicious sadists to put this on kingdoms.

to majd, and any other people who are curious, i think im right when i say that securom is a spyware program (one that monitors what you do) and ensures that you don't download things, and that instead everything on your pc is legit. not only is this quite unfair as many people download a lot of stuff for their pc's, it's known to screw up and start complaining that an update for a game is "invisible data" (as i saw in an article regarding sims 2) and sometimes even begins to wreck the actual computer itself (i saw an example of it sayin that a harddrive was out of space when it didn't even have any files on it!)
if you want to read up it on more i have a couple of links here for you:

http://chrisleiker.net/2007/09/13/what-is-securom/
http://www.insimenator.net/showthread.php?p=964472

But back to the actual problem of it, to Foot and all other mods Id like to suggest that there should be a sticky clearly detailing what securom is, that it will be included with kingdoms and what people should do in the event they want to get by it, since im pretty sure you must be getting annoyed with new members constantly asking what it is (guilty) and i personally think it's unfair to assume people know all this themselves. not that youre to blame for it, of course, but some might walk into this with their eyes closed and get a very rude awakening. cheers

[bovi]

It's not our job to tell people what side effects they get from software that we don't sell.

[Foot]

Have to agree on bovi on this one. Its not our place to inform people about SecuROM, or suggest methods of removing it. As individuals we can not agree with its implementation, but as a team releasing a mod we don't have a position on the matter.

Foot

[hellenes]

If anybody whants to use kingdoms without securom pm me...

[Recoil]

Fair enough guys, you're absolutely right, but I gotta say thanks to everyone, both mod and member, whose mentioned Securom here, cos now I know all about it, and count myself indefinitely lucky

[a completely inoffensive name]

What exactly are the benefits of Kingdoms over regular M2TW?

[Megas Methuselah]

The new stone forts, I believe. From what I've been hearing, the EB Team have great ways of implementing that feature.

[a completely inoffensive name]

I know, boiling oil is in it and larger unit sizes, but other then that, I don't know.