Prisoners...

**Cambyses** · 12-11-2008, 15:26

If I remember my history correctly Romans were made to walk "under the yoke" after defeats against Numantia and again versus Jugurtha. The deal being they got to live and that the proconsul would recognise the other side's right to exist. It would be an amazing feature of EB II if releasing prisoners effectively forced the AI sign a peace deal.

Although of course like rl Romans it would assuredly ignore the terms of any treaty and attack again in the near future.

**Subotan** · 12-12-2008, 20:52

Originally Posted by Cambyses

If I remember my history correctly Romans were made to walk "under the yoke" after defeats against Numantia and again versus Jugurtha. The deal being they got to live and that the proconsul would recognise the other side's right to exist. It would be an amazing feature of EB II if releasing prisoners effectively forced the AI sign a peace deal.

Although of course like rl Romans it would assuredly ignore the terms of any treaty and attack again in the near future.

You'd have to capture a huge amount, and it would probably be a nightmare to code, but it sounds awesome.

**Megas Methuselah** · 12-12-2008, 21:53

Originally Posted by Cambyses

If I remember my history correctly Romans were made to walk "under the yoke" after defeats against Numantia and again versus Jugurtha.

The Romans were shamed like that plenty of times; just read the Years in History back in EB1.

And yes, it would be cool to include this feature, but...

Originally Posted by Footsie

We cannot mod that area.

**lobf** · 12-13-2008, 02:26

Well who knows what you could script alongside it?

**Megas Methuselah** · 12-13-2008, 02:45

Originally Posted by lobf

Well who knows what you could script alongside it?

I dunno. Tell me! Who?!

**antisocialmunky** · 12-13-2008, 16:28

Wasn't there an option to sacrifice prisoners like the Aztecs for a culture boost in that area? I wonder if that option would be more useful for certain factions... of course renamed to something more suitable.

**lobf** · 12-13-2008, 20:38

Originally Posted by Methuselah

I dunno. Tell me! Who?!

Well I don't know either. But I imagine just like traits given for extermination, maybe prisoners can be tracked with the script or something.

**Cartaphilus** · 12-14-2008, 22:30

Originally Posted by Cullhwch

Could you rename the options to "pursue the fleeing enemy" for execution, "loot the enemy baggage" for ransoming, and keep releasing prisoners as-is? It won't be perfect, but it would be good for role-playing battles in which you lose total victory for the sake of more spoils. Due to the money script (there will be a money script, right?), the AI will always accept ransoming.

I agree with your suggestion.

**Megas Methuselah** · 12-14-2008, 22:35

Originally Posted by Cart

I agree with your suggestion.

I don't. To be honest, it doesn't help make the situation any better, I think.

**Aemilius Paulus** · 12-14-2008, 22:43

Originally Posted by Methuselah

I don't. To be honest, it doesn't help make the situation any better, I think.

For reasons...

**Cartaphilus** · 12-14-2008, 23:15

I think that looting the baggages was a very common thing in EB timeframe and obviously looting generated money.
I think that a victory could offer some economical rewards using this suggestion, better than "ransoms" that were not common in that days.

Obviously I am presuming that you don't include an option of enslaving the prisoners to make money on it. And this would be great.

**Hax** · 12-15-2008, 22:59

Well I don't know either. But I imagine just like traits given for extermination, maybe prisoners can be tracked with the script or something.

You can keep track of what a general does with the prisoners. I'm pretty sure that releasing them affects the "Noble towards enemies" trait, or something like that.

**Megas Methuselah** · 12-16-2008, 06:20

Originally Posted by AP

For reasons...

Nvm, I slightly misunderstood him. But now that I comprehend his idea properly, I support it. It seems to be a great idea!

**General Appo** · 12-16-2008, 13:57

Originally Posted by Cambyses

If I remember my history correctly Romans were made to walk "under the yoke" after defeats against Numantia and again versus Jugurtha. The deal being they got to live and that the proconsul would recognise the other side's right to exist. It would be an amazing feature of EB II if releasing prisoners effectively forced the AI sign a peace deal.

Although of course like rl Romans it would assuredly ignore the terms of any treaty and attack again in the near future.

It wasn´t so much that the Romans were evil treaty-breakers as that any deal negotiated by a Roman commander and not ratified by the Roman Senate simply wasn´t considered a official.
And when the treaty had been negotiated by a defeated, surrendered Roman commander who was no free with his army...well, then there was even less reason for the Senate to ratify the treaty.