Teens send each other naked pictures, get charged with child pornography

[Goofball]

I'm be shocked if the rules for a role in the hay and digital boobies weren't different.

hehe...

digital boobies...

hehe...

[HoreTore]

The law treats these things differently.
Canadian law says nude pictures of girls under 18 are child pornography. No good to argue that you didn't know. Law of the land rules so to say.

Yes, yes, law of the land and all that. It's still retarded. Laws are to protect people from harm - when noone is hurt, like in this case, it's retarded to punish people. Contrary to what some people believe, you can't legalize morality, people must be free to choose their own morality. If you want people to adhere to your own moral code, then you must do so by persuasion and argument, NOT by law.

(21 for my girls).

You know, I've been planning this trip to Bergen....

[Tribesman]

digital boobies...

Do you mean boobies in a digital media format ?
http://www.galapagosonline.com/Galap...s/Boobies.html

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Yes, yes, law of the land and all that. It's still retarded. Laws are to protect people from harm - when noone is hurt, like in this case, it's retarded to punish people. Contrary to what some people believe, you can't legalize morality, people must be free to choose their own morality. If you want people to adhere to your own moral code, then you must do so by persuasion and argument, NOT by law.

Regardless of the fact that it is silly to prosecute the girls (definately) and the boys (probably), have you considered that young women should not be encouraged to objectify themselves in order to gain the attentions of older men.

Some questions:

Are these three couples?

Are they sexually active?

How did they find the other two guys, were the pictures being swapped around?

It would let the girls off with a stern warning, the boys I would slap a community service order on. That's for the pictures, there is plenty of scope for finding other offences here, I think.

As regards the Law, it is the Law. It has little to do with morality, it is there to protect society at large as well as the individual. We legislate an age of consent in order to make a clear point about what is and is not acceptable, this protects those under age and over age.

If you have sex with a 16 year old girl in this country, it's legal, and the father can't call foul on you; have sex with a 15 year old and society will string you up, which also protects you from personal vengence.

If we don't take a legislative stance on moral issues we cannot have any laws, at which point we devolve to things like blood duels and honour killings.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Do you mean boobies in a digital media format ?
http://www.galapagosonline.com/Galap...s/Boobies.html

Well, done Tribes!

[Tribesman]

Well, done Tribes!

Silly me
obviously when he said boobie he really meant tits
http://scienceblogs.com/grrlscientis...tits_unfai.php

[Watchman]

I think I just learned something interesting about bird names in English...

[Vladimir]

Well, done Tribes!

I know. I love it when people post tits and boobies in the Backroom.

[Husar]

So I better never take my notebook anywhere because the customs officers will search on it and may find something that id forbidden in wherever I go and jail me for life in that foreign country? Woah, so either leave your laptop alone or have a lawyer from that other country come over and check your laptop for 10000 bucks before you go there. you know what,m forget about this tourist altogether.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

I think I just learned something interesting about bird names in English...

Tribes hasn't even gotten to the Swallow yet.....

[Beren Son Of Barahi]

It would let the girls off with a stern warning, the boys I would slap a community service order on. That's for the pictures, there is plenty of scope for finding other offences here, I think.

What? why? both are under age; it is no different for the girls as it is for the guys, both are under 18 (can't buy/view porn) so it should be a no brainer. police should of let the school deal with it.

what if they were gay girls send msgs to each other? a warning for both?

[HoreTore]

Regardless of the fact that it is silly to prosecute the girls (definately) and the boys (probably), have you considered that young women should not be encouraged to objectify themselves in order to gain the attentions of older men.

What a load of . Objectify? HAH! It's a little something called "arousing each other", "flirting", "sexual games", etc etc. If you're not into that sort of thing - fine. But don't push those morals on the rest of us.

And please, try not to play the "free sex and drugs hippie"-card on me. CR, the one who posted this, is a hardcore conservative, and he's no more fan of this than me*. This is the territory of the parents - NOT the government. The parents are responsible for their children's moral upbringing, not the state. If the parents deem this behaviour worthy of a smack, then they're free to do so, of course. But it's their responsibility, their territory.

*you're free to kill me if I'm wrong on this, CR

[Peasant Phill]

Well, another great example of lawfully stupid.

I do agree that we should protect children and teens in general from taking such actions. They may think there is nothing wrong now but those pictures may come back to haunt them later. Pictures can lead their own life on the internet and there is nothing one can do to stop the damage they can do.
However, I don't see the point in punishing the teens as they haven't caused damaged to anyone except possibly themselves. I don't get the notion of Anglo-Saxon law to put the most stress on punishment rather than prevention (Correct me if I'm wrong)

Sensibilisation would be much more appropriate in this case. Keep in mind that these are teens being teens.

[rory_20_uk]

Regardless of the fact that it is silly to prosecute the girls (definately) and the boys (probably), have you considered that young women should not be encouraged to objectify themselves in order to gain the attentions of older men.

But after 18 it's fine to do so? And when women dress up to look nice, why is this?

Women carry children. Their ability to do this is based on their genetic makeup and their health. Both of these can be assessed by how they look. These days women cheat by using aides to hide or accenuate features. Men therefore want fit, young women. Breasts = sexual maturity, facial symetry = oestrus, clear skin = less liklihood of infection / young.

You're not going to undo this basic fact.

What irritates me on this issue is that the laws use the simple but useless chronological age rather than the more useful but difficult psysiological, or even cognitive maturity.

Some 15 year olds are in all ways more "ready" than 18 year olds.

Nude pictures are unlikely to damage anyone (pictures depicting more... niche markets might however). There are pictures of famous actresses and even the French President's wife! The attitude these days on a professional level is "so what?"

And a complete hypothetical: a underage girl either takes her own or has a picture of herself taken and sent to an over age person. Are they culpable as soon as they recieve the picture? Should they inform the police that they've been sent it?

It all seems a massive hoo-ha about nothing - slapping penalties on teens for being horny. Perhaps if all had their age on their chests in permanent marker it'd help all ensure that they wern't ogling someone that's the wrong age.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Yay, I posted something everybody dissagrees with!

Ok, look, I'm not saying that women shouldn't dress up to look nice, or that physical attraction is some evil thing. I mean, criky, if that was the case we'd all be in jail. Having said that, don't try to tell me that naked mobile pics are the same as wearing a wondabra. Seriously guys, do you think 14 year old girls should be sending naked digital photos to older boys?

And a complete hypothetical: a underage girl either takes her own or has a picture of herself taken and sent to an over age person. Are they culpable as soon as they recieve the picture? Should they inform the police that they've been sent it?

Well, they shouldn't be sharing it and keeping it on their phone. If a picture of an underage girl is taken by someone else then that person is guilty of producing child pornography, so they should be prosecuted.

What a load of . Objectify? HAH! It's a little something called "arousing each other", "flirting", "sexual games", etc etc. If you're not into that sort of thing - fine. But don't push those morals on the rest of us.

And please, try not to play the "free sex and drugs hippie"-card on me. CR, the one who posted this, is a hardcore conservative, and he's no more fan of this than me*. This is the territory of the parents - NOT the government. The parents are responsible for their children's moral upbringing, not the state. If the parents deem this behaviour worthy of a smack, then they're free to do so, of course. But it's their responsibility, their territory.

Um "free sex and drugs hippe"? Nope, strawman.

They're underage, so "flirting" and "sexual games" are not allowed. In any case, a picture of yourself naked isn't flirting, it's advertising. If a girl sent me a picture like that I wouldn't be impressed, regardless of how she looked; if I was an unpleasent man, however, I might keep it and show it to my friends.

This was a stupid thing for these girls to do, which shows they aren't mature enough to deal with this sort of thing. As far as this being the perview of the parents' it ceased to be so once their children broke the law.

[Husar]

This is the territory of the parents - NOT the government. The parents are responsible for their children's moral upbringing, not the state. If the parents deem this behaviour worthy of a smack, then they're free to do so, of course. But it's their responsibility, their territory.

[Tribesman]

Nude pictures are unlikely to damage anyone

That depends , take the case in Rochester NY , no one was damaged really when the underage girl sent photos to her boyfriends phone , but she might be considered damaged by the fact that he then sent those photos on to his friends .
OK yes its a silly girl who didn't think that one through when she sent the pictures , but is an even sillier boy as he is facing a possible 7 year jail term for distributing child pornography .

[HoreTore]

They're underage, so "flirting" and "sexual games" are not allowed. In any case, a picture of yourself naked isn't flirting, it's advertising.

Enjoy your morally bankrupt nanny state. I'm pleased to say I do not live in such a society.

[julius_caesar_the_first]

What irritates me on this issue is that the laws use the simple but useless chronological age rather than the more useful but difficult physiological, or even cognitive maturity.

Some 15 year olds are in all ways more "ready" than 18 year olds.

I totally agree with you. Unfortunately there is no way to accurately determine the cognitive age of a person. Psychological tests are good, but not perfect and they can be time consuming. It could also make legislation designed to stop pedophiles too ambiguous and full of loop holes.

But then again, because of this arbitrary age of consent many people I know could be charged with pedophilia, even if it wasn't actually the case.

Seriously guys, do you think 14 year old girls should be sending naked digital photos to older boys?

As far as I know girls\women tend too look for boys\men that are older than them. If that is the way your hypothetical 14 year old girl chooses to attract a guy then it's her choice to do so.

Also the age of the person receiving the photo determines his reaction. For example if I would have received a nude photo from a 14 year old girl when I was, say, 15 or 16 I would of liked it. Now at 21 I would ignore it simply because I prefer girls closer to my age. The obvious exception are pedophiles.

[rory_20_uk]

As far as I know girls\women tend too look for boys\men that are older than them. If that is the way your hypothetical 14 year old girl chooses to attract a guy then it's her choice to do so.

Women want a man that's a few years older than themselves, with an upper age limit of probably 45. Basically a man in his "prime". Again, men will use tricks to try to look younger and more virile than they are.

I imagine you mean a typical 14 year old girl. Unless she's got her age stamped on her, how do you know her age? You can guess but in some cases you could be a 7 year jail sentence out. Lusting after someone you perceive to be 19 but is 15 for example.

[julius_caesar_the_first]

I imagine you mean a typical 14 year old girl. Unless she's got her age stamped on her, how do you know her age? You can guess but in some cases you could be a 7 year jail sentence out. Lusting after someone you perceive to be 19 but is 15 for example.:

Yes I meant a typical 14 year old girl. Although I'm 70% right when guessing the age of a girl there is always that 30% when I could be wrong and wind up in jail without any fault of my own, especially if she lied about her age (which happens quite often).

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

I got to laugh this made it to .Org since I live not to far away from there. Stupid horny kids .

[HoreTore]

Yes I meant a typical 14 year old girl. Although I'm 70% right when guessing the age of a girl there is always that 30% when I could be wrong and wind up in jail without any fault of my own, especially if she lied about her age (which happens quite often).

Which is why you won't get punished for anything if you are judged to have taken appropriate measures to make sure she's over 16 here. For example, if you hit on a girl in a bar with an age requirement of 20(which means serving alcohol stronger than beer and wine) who sneaked in using a fake ID, for example, then you won't be facing any charges.

When there are no victims, there is no reason for a punishment. The age of consent-laws are there to protect children from pedophiles and being taken advantage of - it's not there to protect them from sex. If parents feels the need to keep their teenagers away from sex, then they will have to do so themselves.

[Watchman]

Found an interesting bit of analysis - and comparision - on the topic here.

Personally, I blame overzealousness mixed with lingering Puritanism.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

The age of consent-laws are there to protect children from pedophiles and being taken advantage of - it's not there to protect them from sex.

If this is true it will be contained in the statute, demonstrate that or you don't have a case. A legal system works by having laws, if you break them you are punished, end of. Currently laws in the US say that naked pictures of girls/women under 18 are illigal and constitute child pornography. They also say that sex under a certain age is rape.

As I said, if you think it's wrong you change the law, you don't flout it.

[HoreTore]

If this is true it will be contained in the statute, demonstrate that or you don't have a case. A legal system works by having laws, if you break them you are punished, end of.

Well then good sir, demonstrate where it says "Age of consent" in any book of law.

Currently laws in the US say that naked pictures of girls/women under 18 are illigal and constitute child pornography. They also say that sex under a certain age is rape.

Which is so silly it's honestly beyond words. But do enjoy your nanny state. Because, after all, when the citizens are too dumb to protect themselves, it's nice to have Big Brother protecting you.

As I said, if you think it's wrong you change the law, you don't flout it.

Incorrect. If you think the law is retarded, I see no problem in breaking said law. However, thinking you won't get punished when caught is also retarded. But that does not mean that you get punished is also not retarded.

But I have a question for you then, Phillipvs:

I had a girlfriend when I was 17. She was 6 months younger than me, so 16 for the first few months of our relationship. We had this "thing", when she was horny and wanted me to come over for some youknowwhat, she would get undressed(with varying degrees of underwear on, or none), take a picture and send it to me on my phone, instead of just asking me to come over. It was a sex-game, and an extremely arousing one too. Made things very intense.

The question is, in your opinion, should I be punished for this? If so, how? Am I a sex offender because I had sex and recieved naughty pics of my girlfriend in my youth? Should she be punished for this? Both her parents and mine knew we had sex, and neither had a problem with it.

[Adrian II]

I had a girlfriend when I was 17. She was 6 months younger than me, so 16 for the first few months of our relationship. We had this "thing", when she was horny and wanted me to come over for some youknowwhat, she would get undressed(with varying degrees of underwear on, or none), take a picture and send it to me on my phone, instead of just asking me to come over. It was a sex-game, and an extremely arousing one too. Made things very intense.

The question is, in your opinion, should I be punished for this? If so, how? Am I a sex offender because I had sex and recieved naughty pics of my girlfriend in my youth? Should she be punished for this? Both her parents and mine knew we had sex, and neither had a problem with it.

You're normal, you're healthy, so you're horny as hell. That's a felony.

Normal people shouldn't exist on this planet. Their thoughts and emotions must be frustrated, thwarted and debilitated by law, education and religion. They must be made to feel guilty, dirty and despicable like the majority of mankind.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Well then good sir, demonstrate where it says "Age of consent" in any book of law.

Age at which you can consent to sex, so the law is there to stop you having sex.

Which is so silly it's honestly beyond words. But do enjoy your nanny state. Because, after all, when the citizens are too dumb to protect themselves, it's nice to have Big Brother protecting you.

It's the law, it's also pretty well known law these days with all the pedo cases.

Also, stop with the ad hominin attacks, I have not advocated a "Nanny State" merely obedience to the Law as it stands

Incorrect. If you think the law is retarded, I see no problem in breaking said law. However, thinking you won't get punished when caught is also retarded. But that does not mean that you get punished is also not retarded.

How will your Utopia function if no one follows the Law? Will the Police, the State follow the Law when prosecuting?

But I have a question for you then, Phillipvs:

I had a girlfriend when I was 17. She was 6 months younger than me, so 16 for the first few months of our relationship. We had this "thing", when she was horny and wanted me to come over for some youknowwhat, she would get undressed(with varying degrees of underwear on, or none), take a picture and send it to me on my phone, instead of just asking me to come over. It was a sex-game, and an extremely arousing one too. Made things very intense.

The question is, in your opinion, should I be punished for this? If so, how? Am I a sex offender because I had sex and recieved naughty pics of my girlfriend in my youth? Should she be punished for this? Both her parents and mine knew we had sex, and neither had a problem with it.

What Adrian said, perfectly normal and a felony. This also very different because you are quite explicitely in a consenting sexual relationship.

You haven't asked me the most important question though, should it be illegal?

A: Well of course not, if you're old enough to do it I can't see why you aren't old enough to be filmed doing it. The Law is full of such absurdities, particually concerning age, and they should be changed. Until they are, however, the Law should be abided by.

[Fragony]

The question is, in your opinion, should I be punished for this? If so, how? Am I a sex offender because I had sex and recieved naughty pics of my girlfriend in my youth? Should she be punished for this? Both her parents and mine knew we had sex, and neither had a problem with it.

Nope. The first thing that comes to mind is 'cute', Americans (well some) can be sooooooo childish when it comes to sex. My mom bought me condoms when I was 14, but all I could think of when I was 14 was becomming a jedi. They ended in someone's neck they are great water-balloons.

[Caius]

Anyone have the article of the Teenage girl that was charged with raping herself through masturbation?

I've been trying to get that article but nothing.