Iberian Archers

[Barry Soteiro]

This unit is present in Vanilla and a number of mods but not in EB ?

Why ?

Maybe in EBII ?

[Mjolnir]

My guess would be that the EB team didn't feel that Iberians had a strong enough archery tradition to warrant their inclusion.

Balearic Slingers are so much better than archers anyway that you don't really need them.

[A Terribly Harmful Name]

The description for Lusotannan Shepherd Slingers actually mentions archery was abandoned in Iberia after the Bronze Age.

[Reno Melitensis]

Apart from the Belearic Slingers being the best missle infantry with the Cretan Archers in EB, if you want some cheap but overall good archers, there are the Nuragi (Sardinian Archers).

Cheers.

[Aemilius Paulus]

This unit is present in Vanilla

Wait, what? Iberian Archers in Vanilla? Did they really exist? I have not played vanilla in ages, but with all my memory I do not recollect having encountered such unit.

[A Very Super Market]

Cretans are the best? What? What about the super-long range Persian archers? Or the Rhodesian slingers?

[Fluvius Camillus]

Cretans? Weren't Bosphoran Heavy Archers the best in the game? (I don't know about the Range though. Can somebody please compare

[antisocialmunky]

I always heard that the Saka or Scythian archers were the best. Bosphorans and Persian Heavies are the best archer duelists. I mean, the range differences aren't THAT great. You just have to run a few steps closer.

[Zeibek]

I always heard that the Saka or Scythian archers were the best. Bosphorans and Persian Heavies are the best archer duelists. I mean, the range differences aren't THAT great. You just have to run a few steps closer.

IIRC the Saka archers have the longest range, and when you work in the cost/effect ratio it could be argued that they are the best archers in the game.

I'm not sure about this, but I think that when it comes to stats the Cretans are superior to all others, including the Bosphorans. Though the Bosphorans do look at lot cooler...

[Olaf The Great]

IIRC the Saka archers have the longest range, and when you work in the cost/effect ratio it could be argued that they are the best archers in the game.

I'm not sure about this, but I think that when it comes to stats the Cretans are superior to all others, including the Bosphorans. Though the Bosphorans do look at lot cooler...

I know the cretans have eastern bows(unlike most westerners), how are they better than Bosophorans?

Also, what about Caucasian archers? They have 6 points of damage(compare to scythian and persian 4/5) and are ridiculously cheap.

[antisocialmunky]

Caucasian units aren't fair to fight against but Hai's position isn't exactly fair either. Also, don't their descriptions say they used ridiculously large bows that shot javelin sized projectiles?

[Olaf The Great]

Caucasian units aren't fair to fight against but Hai's position isn't exactly fair either. Also, don't their descriptions say they used ridiculously large bows that shot javelin sized projectiles?

Xenophon was unlucky enough to find himself at the wrong end of worrying tactics of such a people, the Karduchi, who may have been the ancestors of the modern day Kurds, as he and his force battled through the Caucasus highlands to the southern shore of the Black Sea. Xenophon mentions that the bow the Karduchi used was the three cubits long, whilst the arrow was two cubits itself. Xenophon further reports that "When discharging the arrow, they draw the string by getting a purchase with the left foot planted forward on the lower end of the bow. The arrows pierced through shield and cuirass, and the Hellenes, when they got hold of them, used them as javelins, fitting them to their thongs." Powerful weapons indeed

[SwebozGaztiz]

Cretan archers are awesome, but what about subeshi archers or what abut the syriakoi toxotai those are really good and can act as an awesome light infantry unit since they use swords and shields, also the bosphoran heavies are amazing both in archery and melee fighting, but anyways i also dont recall any iberian archers in vanilla but its been years since i dont play vanilla rtw.

Cheers!

[Tristuskhan]

Cretans are the best? What? What about the super-long range Persian archers? Or the Rhodesian slingers?

Rhodesians?

Anyway Cretans have one more ranged attack point and the same range than heavy persians.

[Cullhwch]

There weren't any Iberian archers in Vanilla. They were Numidian archers which had the same basic style as the Iberian and Carthaginian units.

[HayGuy]

I think he meant Rhodian perhaps?

[Tristuskhan]

I think he meant Rhodian perhaps?

Obviously he did but the image of an antique Rhodesian slinger just made me laugh, since at that time what was to become rhodesia must have been populated with Boshiman's ancestors: Boshiman slingers in my Epirote army would be just awesome.

[Ibrahim]

Obviously he did but the image of an antique Rhodesian slinger just made me laugh, since at that time what was to become rhodesia must have been populated with Boshiman's ancestors: Boshiman slingers in my Epirote army would be just awesome.

actually, the khoisan, or ǃKung (or bushman), do not, and did not use slings(as far as i can tell atleast). instead, expect bowmen armed with poisonous arrows. they might also have darts for throwing. I might need a picture though to give you an idea..
EDIT: here: http://www.south-africa-tours-and-tr...outhafrica.jpg
at least that was the image provided by the term "Rhodesian"(Isn't that place Zimbabwe now?)

[bobbin]

Had a quick peruse through the EDU, heres a list of all the slingers and archers in the game by range, number of arrows per man and missle attack value.

Archers:
Saka Foot Archers 209m, 25 arrows, 5 attack <---AFAIK they have the longest range in the game.
Toxotai Kretikoi 201.6m, 35 arrows, 6 attack
Subeshi Fistaegfataexsdzhytae 198m, 35 arrows, 5 attack
Mardian Foot Archers 198m, 35 arrows, 5 attack
Levantine Saggitarius Auxilia 198m 35 arrows, 5 attack
Sarmatian Foot Archers 198m, 35 arrows, 5 attack
Skuda Fistaeg Fat Aexsdzhytae 198m, 35 arrows, 5 attack
Hallatamti Thanvare (Elamite Archers) 198m, 35 arrows, 5 attack
Giusim Aravim Tsfonim 196m, 25 arrow, 5 attack
Syrian Archers 192.5m, 25 arrows, 4 attack
Thanvare Payahdag, 192.5m, 25 arrows, 4 attack
Medininkas 187m, 25 arrows, 4 attack
Thureopheromenoi Toxotai 180m, 35 arrows. 5 attack <---still the best in my opinion
Caucasian Archers, 180m, 28 arrows, 6 attack
Komatai Agrianai 179.5m, 25 arrows, 5 attack
Ethiopian Archers 179.2m, 25 arrows, 5 attack
Eransahr Arshtbara 175m, 25 arrows, 4 attack
Numidian Archers 170m, 20 arrows, 5 attack
Indian Longbowmen 170m, 16 arrows, 5 attack
Sabean Archers 170m, 25 arrows, 4 attack
Komatai Toxotai 160.2m, 15 arrows, 4 attack
Lankininkas 160m, 15 arrows, 4 attack
Nuraghi 157.3m, 15 arrows, 3 attack
Skutjanz 143m, 15 arrows, 4 attack
Sotaroas 143m, 15 arrows, 3 attack
Toxotai 143m, 15 arrows, 3 attack

Slingers:
Rhodian Slingers 195m, 30 bullets, 2 attack
Shuban Fradakshana, 185m, 30 bullets, 2 attack
Sphendonetai 185m, 30 bullets, 2 attack
Balearic Slinger 175m, 20 bullets, 3 attack
African Slingers 162.8m, 25 bullets, 1 attack
Arab Slingers 162.8m, 25 bullets, 1 attack
Iaosatae, 162m, 35 bullets, 1 attack
Komatai Sphendonitai 148m, 25 bullets, 1 attack
Iberian Slingers 148m, 25 bullets, 1 attack
Accensi 133.2m, 25 bullets, 1 attack

[antisocialmunky]

Does anyone else think it ironic that the Greeks have both the best and worst archers in the game?

[Apgad]

I'm a big fan of Indian Longbowmen, because of that giant two-handed sword they have as a secondary weapon. Unfortunately, they're proving a little hard to recruit in my current Casse campaign...

[bobbin]

God yeah, those guys are EVIL.

[Jacke]

I think two of the reasons I like playing KH are the Sphendonetai Rhodioi (available with a MIC3!) and Toxotai Kretikoi (ugh! MIC4). Regular Sphendonetai and Toxotai make due, especially the slingers. Have to restrain myself from having too many of them. :)

Kind of off-topic, but having just started playing EB 1.2, I've discovered the Recruitment viewer is missing Sphendonetai Rhodioi.

[MarcusAureliusAntoninus]

Kind of off-topic, but having just started playing EB 1.2, I've discovered the Recruitment viewer is missing Sphendonetai Rhodioi.

I don't think the recruitment viewer was updated for v1.1...

[Jacke]

I don't think the recruitment viewer was updated for v1.1...

As far as I can figure, the Recruitment viewer looks at its own files, and you're right, they're from EB 1.1.

I just did a reinstall and I see now that even with native language names, they show as "Rhodian Slingers" and not Sphendonetai Rhodioi. They are still missing from the EB (1.1?) documentation (Unit Compare, Unit List). I've tested and they're still in the game: KH can recruit them with a MIC3 in Rhodos.

[JNR]

I have another questions about archers:
Why are there no nubian archers? I think they were famous in Egypt for their bows and Nubia was sometimes called the land of bow?
Maybe this isn't up-to-date in 272 BC anymore but I guess that they had good archers...

[Ibrahim]

I have another questions about archers:
Why are there no nubian archers? I think they were famous in Egypt for their bows and Nubia was sometimes called the land of bow?
Maybe this isn't up-to-date in 272 BC anymore but I guess that they had good archers...

Toxotai Aithiopicoi come close. use them in the place of the nubians

[antisocialmunky]

You know, technically EB does have Iberian Archers. You just hve to be a little creative to find them:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caucasian_Iberians

[HFox]

........ and the Hellenes, when they got hold of them, used them as javelins, fitting them to their thongs." Powerful weapons indeed

...so wrong on so many different levels....but fecking great