The more I mod EB, the more I get CTD...

**Atraphoenix** · 06-01-2009, 21:21

I really have no idea, I started to lose stability, with my first modification. I could play nearly 4-5 hour without any CTD. I have made more than 6 modification that I had released 4 of them already.
What makes me go crazy is CTDs are errorless, and what is the funny thing is my CTDs chooses factions. Some have more tendency to CTD some are really stable.
So as a last trial, I quit activating generic script F1 thing for perfect spy. Even I closed toggle_fow.
And gave up using FD.

these helped a bit, but these errorless CTDs still make me go crazy.

Why it is so hard to mod scripted mods.....

**Maion Maroneios** · 06-02-2009, 17:28

I believe you mean CTDs, seing that CTD means Crash To Desktop and the plural form would be Crashes To Desktop (shortened as CTDs, I assume). And I agree with you, messing around with the files tends to lead to such behaviour. I guess it steadily corrupts savegames or something. I have heavily modded my own game (BI, fixes applied, hording for several factions, swimming, shieldwall ability, shadowing faction made for Makedonia out of the Casse), but have yet to experience more than 1 CTD. And that assaulting a city, which IIRC is a "normal" RTW thing.

There are ways to avoid them and ensure a healthy savegame, I believe. Like waiting for several seconds after a battle ends, after the end of each turn, not saving multiple times in short time periods, and some other tricks.

Maion

**Aemilius Paulus** · 06-02-2009, 17:30

When do your CTDs happen, Atraphoenix? As long as they are not after you finish a battle, they are fine with me.

**Atraphoenix** · 06-02-2009, 18:49

1-When I pass 2 hours without restarting RTW, with autoresolved battles mostly on VH/M.
2-When I do not exit after 4 battle I fought myself.
3-Nomad factions, mostly sauromate(sarmatians) playing with them less stable.
4-Saba very unstable faction.
5-I think using cheating codes.
6-generic script (I do not want to blame it but I have EBBS script, FD, and generic script - perfect_spy)
7-After I had changed map.rwm file I experienced less stability.
8-I blitz with romans I vanquish Carthage, iberia, whole galia. I found it very stable.

my ram is 1024 DDR2 though I had no problem after reducing video settings and deactivating anti-alising.

I am playing lots of mods but I think scripted mods are less stable.
I have made more than 6 mods foe EB. Modded lots of things.
There are no error messages, I think my mods tires EB, and to play with 3 scripts, suicidal.

**Irishmafia2020** · 06-02-2009, 20:14

CTD's are just part of the risk of playing a modded game... I quicksave after every battle, but it is worth it to be able to use force diplomacy, and have modded values for elephant and artillery upkeep....

**Atraphoenix** · 06-02-2009, 21:03

Nothing is priceless...
NON PROGREDI EST REGREDI

**Watchman** · 06-02-2009, 21:21

Sounds more like that annoying memory-leak issue RTW has. Tends to occasionally CTD the game due to "buffer overrun" or something similar presumably every few hours of continuous playing.

**Aemilius Paulus** · 06-02-2009, 22:27

I say you need more RAM. I have 4 GB, and almost no CTDs although my game is fairly heavily modded by me, although in non-essential areas such as EDU, EDCT, desc_strat, and associated areas.

**Watchman** · 06-02-2009, 22:30

Yeah. Also, code errors tend to be easy to trace as thanks to the "-show_err" switch the game helpfully tells you where exactly the "syntax error" that caused the CTD is located.

**Aemilius Paulus** · 06-02-2009, 22:36

Originally Posted by Watchman

Yeah. Also, code errors tend to be easy to trace as thanks to the "-show_err" switch the game helpfully tells you where exactly the "syntax error" that caused the CTD is located.

Yeah, I have that turned on, and every single CTD I have is a result of my graphics driver. I already had a recurrent, seemingly fatal CTD, but that was fixed by me with a driver update.

**Atraphoenix** · 06-02-2009, 22:46

I have no error messages, known memory leak problem methinks....
and need more ram I know it..

**Aemilius Paulus** · 06-03-2009, 17:39

Originally Posted by Atraphoenix

I have no error messages, known memory leak problem methinks....
and need more ram I know it..

If you live in US, RAM is cheap. I got my 4GB for $170USD

**iounas** · 06-03-2009, 17:53

Originally Posted by Aemilius Paulus

If you live in US, RAM is cheap. I got my 4GB for $170USD

You mean 4GB for $50? Cause $170 is expensive

**Aemilius Paulus** · 06-03-2009, 18:05

Originally Posted by iounas

You mean 4GB for $50? Cause $170 is expensive

$168 was the cheapest RAM compatible with my computer.

**Maion Maroneios** · 06-03-2009, 18:09

Buying stuff via Internet is cheap nowdays, plus you can basically get anything you're looking for. Very convenient, if you ask me

One of the benefits of globalization and advance in techonolgy, ha!

Maion

**Aemilius Paulus** · 06-03-2009, 18:11

Originally Posted by Maion Maroneios

Buying stuff via Internet is cheap nowdays, plus you can basically get anything you're looking for. Very convenient, if you ask me

One of the benefits of globalization and advance in techonolgy, ha!

Where do you think I bought mine? I buy everything I need from the Internet, unless it is school supplies or something common like that. Mind that in most countries, the Internet purchasing option is not available due to shipping restrictions. I live in US currently, so I am fine.

**Maion Maroneios** · 06-03-2009, 18:19

That's excellent. Just pointing out the easiness of buying something nowdays. E-Bay, E-Shop etc are great sites to buy stuff from.

Maion

**bobiwan** · 06-03-2009, 21:34

a suggestion i only have 2gb of ram but i think ur modding it a tad 2 much as with my 2gb ram and a video card with 1gb vram with me modding unit construction turns to 0 editing faction money in strat map and insane movement points in character and have yet 2 see 1 ctd.

**Atraphoenix** · 06-03-2009, 21:41

In fact, I have to buy a new PC if I want to play ETW.
unfortunately not yet... I am a quatro maniac so I should save more instead of smoking 2 packets of cigarettes every day