No more global warming?

[InsaneApache]

Let's take a little look at Baron Oxburgh.

Ernest Ronald Oxburgh, Baron Oxburgh, KBE, FRS (born 2 November 1934) is an eminent geologist and geophysicist[1]. Lord Oxburgh is well known for his dedicated work as a public advocate in both academia and the business world in addressing the need to reduce carbon dioxide emissions and develop alternative energy sources. [2]

Who'd have thunk it. Not so much a whitewash as don.t bother washing at all. This is like Gordon Brown chairing an inquiry into why he sold off the gold at bargain basement figures. Typical of the UK this last decade or so. Never mind the truth if it gets in the way of raising more and more taxes. Dispicable.

[Fragony]

Not unique to the UK, just about everything gets taxed because of the hoax. Of course the petrol-price was never won by the enviroment, bloody thieves

[Louis VI the Fat]

Revealed: the secret evidence of global warming Bush tried to hide

Photos from US spy satellites declassified by the Obama White House provide the first graphic images of how the polar ice sheets are retreating in the summer. The effects on the world's weather, environments and wildlife could be devastating



Graphic images that reveal the devastating impact of global warming in the Arctic have been released by the US military. The photographs, taken by spy satellites over the past decade, confirm that in recent years vast areas in high latitudes have lost their ice cover in summer months.


The pictures, kept secret by Washington during the presidency of George W Bush, were declassified by the White House last week. President Barack Obama is currently trying to galvanise Congress and the American public to take action to halt catastrophic climate change caused by rising levels of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere.
One particularly striking set of images - selected from the 1,000 photographs released - includes views of the Alaskan port of Barrow. One, taken in July 2006, shows sea ice still nestling close to the shore. A second image shows that by the following July the coastal waters were entirely ice-free.


The photographs demonstrate starkly how global warming is changing the Arctic. More than a million square kilometres of sea ice - a record loss - were missing in the summer of 2007 compared with the previous year.
Nor has this loss shown any sign of recovery. Ice cover for 2008 was almost as bad as for 2007, and this year levels look equally sparse.
"These are one-metre resolution images, which give you a big picture of the summertime Arctic," said Thorsten Markus of Nasa's Goddard Space Flight Centre. "This is the main reason why we are so thrilled about it. One-metre resolution is the dimension that's been missing."

Linky

[InsaneApache]

What about the guy who's being sued for fraud by the Virginia AG?

As in Mann Made Global Warming.

Sorry guys, you '' up and wht's more, the game is up.

Sad.

[Tiaexz]

What about the guy who's being sued for fraud by the Virginia AG?

As in Mann Made Global Warming.

Sorry guys, you '' up and wht's more, the game is up.

Sad.

What game are you on about? Ecological disastor is not a game.

[Fragony]

Nice and all that but the poles aren't shrinking, which is hardly surprising.

[Subotan]

Of course not. The ice caps at the poles are.

[InsaneApache]

What game are you on about? Ecological disastor is not a game.

The game is raising taxes to promote some loony agenda, vis-a-vis stripping the developed world of wealth and wholesale re-distributing it to the third world. That's the game that is up.

[Tiaexz]

The game is raising taxes to promote some loony agenda, vis-a-vis stripping the developed world of wealth and wholesale re-distributing it to the third world. That's the game that is up.

Where is the wholeshale re-distributing to third world?

It is coming from taxes, to renewable energy projects. What is even more amusing, is that oil runs out around 20-50 years, so we have to invest in renewable energy sources anyway.

I really do not see the problem, we are facing 3 major issues (amongst many). The Major-Changes in Climate, Depletion of Fossil-fuels and the need for Energy Efficiency.

Want to know the solution for all three? Investment in renewable resources and increased energy efficieny.

Funny.

[Subotan]

I don't see why investing in renewable energy, such as solar, wind, tidal, hydro etc. "redistributes money to the third world". Rather, our addiction to oil has resulted in a huge transfer of wealth from the First World to countries which would otherwise be members of the Third World, the Arab Countries.

[Fragony]

Where is the wholeshale re-distributing to third world?

wut

[a completely inoffensive name]

I blame all this climate change denial from the movie Waterworld. That movie made a world of high sea levels cool, and now we are reaping the benefits as these kids have grown up into voting adults and have chosen the world of Waterworld over the world of today.

[Fragony]

Why the the negativity, we aren't doomed, that's good news you should be happy. Next hoax please, I put 50 on water shortages plunging the world into CHAOS if we DO NO ACT RIGHT NOW.

[InsaneApache]

I blame all this climate change denial from the movie Waterworld. That movie made a world of high sea levels cool, and now we are reaping the benefits as these kids have grown up into voting adults and have chosen the world of Waterworld over the world of today.

For myself, I was thirty five when the movie came out, However, I'm flattered to be called a kid. Thanks very much.

[Fragony]

You are never too old to get into boats though. What I want to know, what are YOU going to do to educate mother nature, what can we do to discourage the type of eruptive behaviour we have seen in Iceland.

[Tiaexz]

IA, you never said how/where this re-distribution of wealth to the third-world is being done.

Why the the negativity, we aren't doomed, that's good news you should be happy. Next hoax please, I put 50 on water shortages plunging the world into CHAOS if we DO NO ACT RIGHT NOW.

Expect Water-shortage is an issue, because you need fresh water or ways to create the fresh-water. You cannot use Sea Water.

Also, the North Atlantic Current getting screwed over is a serious concern for Europe.

[Fragony]

In Copenhagen that's where it's done

[a completely inoffensive name]

For myself, I was thirty five when the movie came out, However, I'm flattered to be called a kid. Thanks very much.

Thanks for looking at a joke and finding a way to interpret it as an insult. Should I be in the mood for insulting someone im more blunt about it.

[Furunculus]

IA, you never said how/where this re-distribution of wealth to the third-world is being done.



Expect Water-shortage is an issue, because you need fresh water or ways to create the fresh-water. You cannot use Sea Water.

Also, the North Atlantic Current getting screwed over is a serious concern for Europe.

and you never explained your statement describing me as 'the biggest sceptic here'.........?

[Fragony]

Thanks for looking at a joke and finding a way to interpret it as an insult. Should I be in the mood for insulting someone im more blunt about it.

Jokes like that are normal when you aren't absolutely terrified of CO2, not our fault warmists dismis instead of debate, it usually comes with lolclevurthingies

[a completely inoffensive name]

Jokes like that are normal when you aren't absolutely terrified of CO2, not our fault warmists dismis instead of debate, it usually comes with lolclevurthingies

Are you attempting to secure your side as the ones with the high ground when it comes to respect? Because if so I have to inform you, after that disaster of a sentence, you are standing on the Mariana Trench.

[Fragony]

Are you attempting to secure your side as the ones with the high ground when it comes to respect? Because if so I have to inform you, after that disaster of a sentence, you are standing on the Mariana Trench.

Nope I am just pointing out that jokes like that are normal. It is also normal that something irrelevant is clawed instead, in this case language skills.

[Tiaexz]

and you never explained your statement describing me as 'the biggest sceptic here'.........?

Apologises, cannot remember the context. Though your priority on the issue is high, and you are a skeptic, so I presume that is why i said it.

However, I am still wonder where wealth is apparently being redistributed to the third-world in the name of climate change by the government, InsaneApache.

I know of a private non-government project who wants to build masses of solar pannels in the Sahara Desert to provide electric to both Europe and Africa. Only case I can think of and it is nothing related to the government. As for wealth redistribution, there are masses of charities, the fact we get chinese/african/etc workers to manufacture our goods, and other such things where wealth redistribution by private organisations are done. Only government one is the 0.7 humanitarian aid, which is nothing to do with Climate Change.

[Furunculus]

Apologises, cannot remember the context. Though your priority on the issue is high, and you are a skeptic, so I presume that is why i said it.

a refresher for you:

http://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showth...=1#post2462493

;)

[Tiaexz]

a refresher for you:

Ah, same context. Some one who is involved and looks at the figures, but is skeptical. InsaneApache said that "can't they just do a law or something and do it for basically free." I was saying then, that it isn't that simple, and that you yourself is against such a law as it will stunt the economy severely.

Wasn't used an insult. I was more invoking the "Furunculus", an argument technique whereby I call upon the user "Furunculus" in one of those rare occasions I have a disagreement with some one from the political opposition, which Furunculus is also a member, and in that area, both me and 'Furunculus' agree on a fact or situation (but might take different sides of it), as such, that user should read the postings of 'Furuculus' to become more enlightened in their opinion.

For example:
Beskar: "There will be effects on the economy, but these are for the greater good of a, b & z".
Furunculus: "I don't believe the cost on the economy is worth it, at such a time due to x, y & z".

InsaneApache in this example is: "It is a hoax, because they can just do it for free with a law."
I invoked the Furunculus, in regards that: "That is not true, as it is not free at all. As while I have no problem with the government doing it, this is however why Furunculus is against the measures."

[Furunculus]

lol, it should be enshrined in canon; "the Furunculus position"

[Tiaexz]

lol, it should be enshrined in canon; "the Furunculus position"

I prefer the "The Furunculus manoeuvre", the manoeuvre where you tell your debating opponent to consult with some one with their own viewpoint what the issues actually are, for that viewpoint, in a debate.

[Furunculus]

I prefer the "The Furunculus manoeuvre", the manoeuvre where you tell your debating opponent to consult with some one with their own viewpoint what the issues actually are, for that viewpoint, in a debate.

done. :D

sigg'ied.

[Fragony]

Ah, looks like high-priest of the Church of Global Warming isn't absolutely terrified of rising sea-levels, just as his electricity bill proved he isn't absolutely terrified of CO2.

http://directorblue.blogspot.com/201...tprint-of.html

[Viking]

Ah, looks like high-priest of the Church of Global Warming isn't absolutely terrified of rising sea-levels, just as his electricity bill proved he isn't absolutely terrified of CO2.

http://directorblue.blogspot.com/201...tprint-of.html

Now the question is where he gets his electricity from. I come from a country where close to a 100% of the electricity produced is renewable.