Nusantara : Total War

[Cute Wolf]

no, we won't made those in depth trait for first relase..... but maybe we could made generic ethnic traits for all native factions... I'm affraid too many interlinked traits will affect loading times and stability (proneness to CTD)

As for religion, we only have 3 in BI. and only those 3 could cause unrest....
Pagan = renamed to "Hindu-Buddha"
Zoroastrian = renamed to "Islam"
Christian

and we did have floating religion swapping system.. means you could change your FM religion via trigger (such as building churches, mosques, or stay for quite a long time in provinces with temples), except for the Europeans (they have higher treshold).

Sonic allready set the plan and that was tested, and those interlinked traits allready take a lot of in EDCT

[plutoboyz]

umm... wolf, how about Hindu general picture? we can use ETW picture for European and some Muslim picture for Muslim faction. but how about Hindu faction? or we'll use photoshop?

?

[Cute Wolf]

this is the rough map.... (more regions will be added soon)

[Cute Wolf]

We'll use our friend's photos on facebook (remember: we'll only take those schoolmates .... )
Or maybe we could use Eastern and Nomad general's mix (heck, they must be "browned" a bit, except for Sriwijayan cultures, which had white faces)
And for the Wuropeans, I'll think we could copy that for M2TW... or using Roman and Greek General....

And check my FB, How about the new map? (darn, IM2 can't be used to upload on Photobucket or imageshack)

[plutoboyz]

You may use mine if needed (I'm Pituin). btw, egyptian portrait pretty fit well as shown above (for clothing and skin tone). but alas, I can't figure how to make their eyes less gloomy.

Good work on the map! may I see west java region? :P

[Cute Wolf]

yeah, after made the base map and islands we'll do the smaller regions.... now, collecting major and mnor cities that MUST be shown on map are another issue, because the map was rather small

[plutoboyz]

for some unknown reason, my instinct tell me to make this

What do you think?

[Cute Wolf]

kita kan ngga ada region kalimantan... .... ntar aja... mending ngurusin kota2nya dulu.... ok?

[plutoboyz]

kita kan ngga ada region kalimantan... .... ntar aja... mending ngurusin kota2nya dulu.... ok?

itu kan yang lama cuma diganti fontnya. lagian kalau kalimantan dibuang jadi tanggung liatnya.

ada tugas lagi?

[Cute Wolf]

lagi nyari nama kota, udah tinggal nambahin region per region yang penting2... karena map nya rada kecil, hanya kota2 penting yg bisa masuk (digedein 2 pixel, dan udah bakalan CTD) - map ini batas dari landmass ratio sih...

BTW, nama region sangat perlu karena ccuma bisa ditentuin selama proses mapping (dan ngubah map yg udah jadi itu susah )

ini nama internalnya


Internal Names: faction int: rebel faction int: culture: culture int:

--- mapping
Aceh- sassanids- Kurds- melayu- eastern
Malaka- berbers- Poeni- melayu- eastern
Sriwijaya- franks- Franki- sriwijaya- nomad
Palembang- saxons- Jutes- nomad
Pajajaran- vandals- Scordisci- sunda- barbarian // atau // jawa- hun (tergantung sikon, baik dipisah apa ngga ama jawa)
Bintara- sarmatians- Sarmatians- jawa- hun
Majapahit- huns- Saka- jawa -hun
--- non mapping
Portugal- burgundii- no rebel f- european- roman
VOC- slavs- no rebel f- european- roman


maksudnya yg mapping, masuk di descr_regions sebagai faction default owner (yg revolt ke siapa), krn itu, yg eropa ngga ada rebel factionnya

[plutoboyz]

region maksudnya provinsinya kan? bukan Kotanya?

oh ya start waktunya kapan? lupa lagi.

[Cute Wolf]

yupz, nama kota2 yang penting.. bukan provinsi (skalanya lebih kecil kan? cuman jawa sumatera) starting 1511 - 1654....

yang penting itu nama - nama kota2 yang harus masuk apa aja...

[plutoboyz]

dari Carita Parahyangan:

* Balamoha
* Balaraja
* Balitar (mungkin blitar)
* Barus
* Batur
* Berawan
* Cilotiran
* Cimara-upatah
* Ciranjang
* Cirebon: Cirebon
* Datar
* Demak: Demak
* Demba, nusa (bali)
* Kawali: Kerajaan Galuh, salah satu pusat pemerintahan Kerajaan Sunda
* Gegelang
* Gegeromas
* Hanum
* Hujung Cariang
* Huluwesi, Sanghiyang
* Jampang
* Jawakapala
* Jayagiri
* Kahuripan
* Kajaron
* Kalapa: pelabuhan utama Sunda, disebut juga Sunda Kalapa
* Keling
* Kemir
* Kendan: kerajaan yang berada di sekitar gunung Kendan di wilayah Nagreg, tempat ditemukannya banyak batu obsidian yang disebut batu kendan.
* Kiding
* Kikis
* Kreta
* Lembuhuyu
* Majaya
* Malayu: kerajaan Malayu di Sumatra
* Mananggul
* Mandiri
* Medang
* Menir
* Muntur
* Nusalarang
* Padang
* Padarén
* Pagajahan
* Pagerwesi
* Pagoakan
* Pakuan: Pakuan Pajajaran. pusat pemerintahan Kerajaan Sunda, yang berlokasi di kota Bogor sekarang
* Pangpelengan
* Paraga
* Patégé
* Rajagaluh: Rajagaluh, Majalengka
* Rancamaya, Sanghiyang: wilayah sebelah barat Ciawi, Bogor, sekarang dijadikan permahan mewah
* Rumbut
* Salajo
* Saung Agung
* Saunggalah
* Simpang
* Sumedeng Sumedang Mingkin?
* Taman
* Tanjung
* Tasik
* Wahanten-girang: Banten Girang
* Winduraja
* Wiru

Yang di bold itu penting. kalo mau neliti naskahnya sendiri, silahkan aku punya PDF-nya. tapi bahasa sunda.

[Rahwana]

From Sonic's Excel sheet of unit Balancing:

Weapon Type Prod f (t) Leth f (l) Properties Untrained Barely trained Trained Got Used Capable Superrior Specialist Elite Crack elite

spear underhand 0.205 0.13 light_spear 11,3 12,4 13,5 14,6 15,7 16,8 17,9 18,10 19,11
spear overhead 0.205 0.14 light_spear 11,5 12,6 13,7 14,8 15,9 16,10 17,11 18,12 19,13
spear 2handed 0.205 0.145 light_spear 11,7 12,8 13,9 14,10 15,11 16,12 17,13 18,14 19,15
crude club 0.28 0.14 ap 9,3 10,4 11,5 12,6 13,7 14,8 15,9 16,10 17,11
axe 0.295 0.165 ap 7,5 8,6 9,7 10,8 11,9 12,10 13,11 14,12 15,13
mace 0.295 0.165 ap 7,5 8,6 9,7 10,8 11,9 12,10 13,11 14,12 15,13
shortsword 0.3 0.13 9,5 10,6 11,7 12,8 13,9 14,10 15,11 16,12 17,13
shortsword european 0.3 0.145 9,3 10,4 11,5 12,6 13,7 14,8 15,9 16,10 17,11
scimitar 0.3 0.205 7,5 8,6 9,7 10,8 11,9 12,10 13,11 14,12 15,13
longsword 0.3 0.225 7,5 8,6 9,7 10,8 11,9 12,10 13,11 14,12 15,13
double swords 0.3 0.275 11,7 12,8 13,9 14,10 15,11 16,12 17,13 18,14 19,15
heavy blade 0.31 0.11 ap 11,7 12,8 13,9 14,10 15,11 16,12 17,13 18,14 19,15
pike 0.315 0.14 spear, atk+4 9,0 10,0 11,0 12,0 13,0 14,0 15,0 16,0 17,0
halberd (2slot input) 0.32 0.27 light spear, ap, ap (2wp) 7,11 8,12 9,13 10,14 11,15 12,16 13,17 14,18 15,19
2handed axe 0.33 0.285 ap 7,15 8,16 9,17 10,18 11,19 12,20 13,21 14,22 15,23
2handed sword 0.33 0.3 ap 7,13 8,14 9,15 10,16 11,17 12,18 13,19 14,20 15,21
sling 0.1 1 ap, 148 m 4 m longer 8 m longer 12 m longer 16 m longer 20 m longer 24 m longer 28 m longer 32 m longer
bamboo flatbow 0.11 1 108 m (inf), 84 m (cav) 6 m longer 12 m longer 18 m longer 24 m longer 30 m longer 36 m longer 42 m longer 48 m longer
recurved bamboo bow 0.115 1 132 m (inf), 100 m (cav) 8 m longer 16 m longer 24 m longer 32 m longer 40 m longer 48 m longer 56 m longer 64 m longer
seasoned selfbow 0.12 1 156 m (inf), 116 m (cav) 4 m longer 8 m longer 12 m longer 16 m longer 20 m longer 24 m longer 28 m longer 32 m longer
composite bow 0.125 1 160 m (inf), 120 m (cav) 6 m longer 12 m longer 18 m longer 24 m longer 30 m longer 36 m longer 42 m longer 48 m longer
light javelin 0.13 1 54 m 2 m longer 4 m longer 6 m longer 8 m longer 10 m longer 12 m longer 14 m longer 16 m longer
heavy javelin 0.155 1 48 m 2 m longer 4 m longer 6 m longer 8 m longer 10 m longer 12 m longer 14 m longer 16 m longer
crossbow 0.16 1 ap, 112 m 8 m longer 16 m longer 24 m longer 32 m longer 40 m longer 48 m longer 56 m longer 64 m longer
gun 0.2 1 ap, fear, 60 m 10 m longer 20 m longer 30 m longer 40 m longer 50 m longer 60 m longer 70 m longer 80 m longer
cav ovh spear light 0.25 0.15 power_charge 9,23 10,24 11,25 12,26 13,27 14,28 15,29
cav ovh spear medium 0.25 0.15 power_charge 9,25 10,26 11,27 12,28 13,29 14,30 15,31
cav ovh spear heavy 0.25 0.15 power_charge 9,27 10,28 11,29 12,30 13,31 14,32 15,33
cav lance light 0.305 0.3 power_charge 5,27 6,30 7,33 8,36 9,39
cav lance medium 0.305 0.3 power_charge 5,29 6,32 7,35 8,38 9,41
cav lance heavy 0.305 0.3 power_charge 5,31 6,34 7,37 8,40 9,43
cav lance ext heavy 0.305 0.3 power_charge 5,33 6,36 7,39 8,42 9,45
2handed lance light 0.305 0.35 power_charge 5,31 6,34 7,37 8,40 9,43
2handed lance medium 0.305 0.35 power_charge 5,33 6,36 7,39 8,42 9,45
2handed lance heavy 0.305 0.35 power_charge 5,35 6,38 7,41 8,44 9,47
2handed lance ext heavy 0.305 0.35 power_charge 5,37 6,40 7,43 8,46 9,49
Chariot Blades 0.4 1 launching ap, fear inf 9,49 10,50 11,51 12,52 13,53
Elephant Light Tusks 0.42 0.7 launching ap, fear all 11,51 12,54
Elephant Heavy Tusks 0.42 0.9 launching ap, fear all 11,57 12,60

Stamina Adjustment Default Stamina X Infantry Source Field Maintenance (f) Morale factor X Monetary variable Monetary Mntc (m)
armour =< 5 very_hardy Peasantry / Bulk Levies 0.9 morale 5 +3 very low 0.9
armour =< 9 hardy Tribal Levies 0.9 morale 5 +5, impetuous low 0.95
armour =< 13 normal Feudal Serf 0.9 morale 6 +3 medium 1
armour =< 17 bad Volunteered Militia 0.9 morale 6 +5, impetuous high 1.05
armour > 17 very_bad Irregular Supports 0.9 morale 8 very high 1.1
Tribal regulars 0.95 morale 7 +5 elite 1.15
Feudal garrison 0.95 morale 8 +3 bodyguards 1.2
Regular field army 0.95 morale 9 +2 Cav Monetary Monetary Mntc (m)
Secondary Supports 0.95 morale 10 Levied Cav 0.95
Professional army 1 minimum 10, disciplined Natural Cav 1
Private army 1 minimum 11, impetuous Regular Cav 1.05
Lesser Noble Troops 1.05 minimum 13 Noble Cav 1.1
Noble Troops 1.1 minimum 15 Elite Cav 1.15
Bloodline Royal Troops 1.15 minimum 16, impetuous Bodyguard Cav 1.2
Royal Troops 1.2 minimum 16 Elephant Unarmoured 2.3
Mount Source Field Maintenance (f) Inf Weapon Chg add Elephant Armoured 2.5
Nomadic Ponies 0.95 add 4
Common Horse 1 add 6
Half-Armoured Horse 1.02 add 8
Armoured Horse 1.04 add 10
Chariots 1.17 follow higher value
Elephants 1.25 follow higher value

Darn... how to insert excel tables here?

[Cute Wolf]

Jadi, ini adalah diagram unit balancing yang dinbuat oleh sonic... sebenarnya ada di gua sih.... tapi karena orangnya nitip gw masukin data pake account nya dia, gw dikasi akun masuk punya dia via telepon... hehehe

[Cute Wolf]

and now I've add some more regions.... still need a bit about Sumateran regions, and Malayan regions to be placed on the map...



thx for plutoboyz for uploading the pics

[plutoboyz]

yang sumatra butuh gak bos? mumpung lagi baca Bujangga Manik.

EDIT: telat posting. tunggu sebentar.

[Cute Wolf]

butuh juga sih, buat crosscheck soalnya si Salim ngga ada disini, cuman gw dititipin accountnya buat publishing unit balance ama scripting...

[plutoboyz]

Parayman (padang pariaman)
Palembang
Balungbungan (Blambangan)
Nusa (Bali)
Pemalang (sekarang di Jawa Tengah)
Pananjung (Sekitar pajajaran)
Pakalongan(pekalongan)
Padanara (semarang)
Bubat (dulunya pelabuhan majapahit. dekat trowulan)
Gresik
Jambi
Salembu (?)
Pahang (Malaysia)
Lumajang ( kabupaten di Jatim)

[plutoboyz]

This might help.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...ltanate_id.svg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...Kingdom_id.svg

[Cute Wolf]

Yupz, udah dapet data letak2 nya, tinggal dimasuk2in... liat dulu.... thanks....

Btw, karena ukurannya kecil, kita ngga bisa taruh banyak gunung dan dataran tinggi nih (kecuali mau battle map nya, kalau bukan siege, jadi perang nurunin bukit cuuurrraaaaammmmmmmmmm buangeth), jadi gw cuman naikin ketinggian mapnya dikit2, cuman di dataran tinggi bandung-lembang, ama bromo... gw buat ada saljunya kalo musim dingin... hehehe...... kalo bromo sih emang kadang turun salju beneran... tapi bandung cuman pernah hujan es..... gimana yah?

[plutoboyz]

jiah... kalo di bandung turun salju, semua padi huma gagal panen bro. kenapa gak di ilangin aja saljunya?

[Cute Wolf]

kalo dibuat gunung, kalau perang curam buaget (udah di test pake hun vs vandal di dekat Pakuan, sewaktu model map_heights masih pake gunung..... haslnya, yang satu di tempat tinggi buanget, 80 derajat hampir hampir kemiringannya, karena mapnya kekecilan...

Kalau dibuat tanpa tanda, gimana tau itu dataran tinggi yah? :bingung:

Terpaksa gw kasih salju dikit aja... hehehe......

apa ngga ada gunung ngga apa2 aja gmn?

[plutoboyz]

sebetulnya, justru gunung itu yang jadi ciri khasnya Pajajaran. kalau aku sih ikut sejarah aja. biarlah perang ditempat yang curam kaya gitu. karena memang gitu kenyataannya. tapi coba tanya yang lain.

[Cute Wolf]

hmm... ok lah... (kembaliin map_heights ke asal yg curam)

btw, berarti AI pathfindingnya rada2 ke stunt nih.... tapi udah lah...

[Cute Wolf]

yang ini map jawa barat, udah selesai kecuali kota2 di Banten, yg ngga jelas....

Udah bener belom yah? BTW, bikin gunung buat CTD kalo ditambahin kota... jadinya kembali ke tempat bersalju dulu.....

[Nyz]

@All : Please speak in english, except when quoting textual evidence... we can go in the Mod discussion thread https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...tara-Total-War if we sorely need to talk something in Indo Malayan language.... (so no one will bang their head because of our mumblings)

Kepada Jirisys: Hampeh mangkuk ayun ni kata kat aku.......

Speak in english!!!!!! no indonesian!

~Jirisys (mshla hambaraa nunvbas lfies plsea csokles)

Tolonglah terjemahkan kepada si Jirisys tu...kesian dia...

[plutoboyz]

Tolonglah terjemahkan kepada si Jirisys tu...kesian dia...

myself don't understand. but it should be something nasty!
I just inderstand this:

Hampeh=?
Mangkuk= Bowl
ayun=Swing
ni=this
Kata=word, saying
Kat= at
Aku=me

thats all. (google translate not working!)

[Cute Wolf]

bah, bahasa indonesia dan malaysia bedanya sedikit, tapi fatal...

[Nyz]

Senarai unit lama ada petembak locok, senapan lanun dan ali - ali. Senarai unit baru tiada. Sudah dibuang? Mengapa? Karena unitnya jadi terlalu banyak?