The Europa Barbarorum Wonders Project

[Davil92]

Ok, i'll write my sources, but know that i did kind of a collage, and the info is scarse, but here are the sites: http://www.travelitaly24.com/categor...ations/taranto, of course the italian wikipedia is a good source for info and includes even more info than what i found....http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tempio_...%28Taranto%29; http://www.tarantoincartolina.com/de...rticolo&art=99 and that should be all, some of them are in italian, so if you need any help in transalting them just ask! =)

[Davil92]

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[Arjos]

Davil, sono già occupati a fare l'ottimo lavoro che fanno (e lasciamoli fare così finiscono anche prima ^^).
Hai postato le info, loro vedranno cosa fare, se dovessero aver bisogno d'aiuto ti contatteranno di sicuro ;)

[Davil92]

Aaah be certamente non vorrei farli rallentare è solo che mi piacerebbe sapere se il mio lavoro è stato utile!

[bobbin]

Yes, thank you Davil92.

[Ichon]

I posted this awhile ago in TWC but the Uplistsikhe caves in Georgia could potentially be an interesting wonder as that part of the map is rather empty. I haven't had time to look for more scholarly research aside from learning that there aren't many people working on it and much of the pre-Medieval period is rather undocumented. It appears from excavations already done that the current 150 caves are only a portion of the 700 or more likely present before several earthquakes and a couple millenia of erosion. There are signs of relatively widespread religious activities associated with the worship of Mitra or some other god which shares many common images like Mithras whose underground mithraea would make sense and that Mithras was associated with Persian or Zoroastrian culture is documented.


The second are the places where Zoroaster received his visions. Near a river probably somewhere to north of present day Afghanistan then at various mountains and natural places around Medea or Bactria. No exact locations are now known but it would not be a huge stretch to include something like Mt Ushia-darena, supposedly the second location Zoroaster received the continuation of his vision by the river. Ancient Greeks seemed to have been fascinated by Zoroaster and some wonders in Bactria despite being undiscovered by modern archeology aside from a few inscriptions or very small places of worship seem justified especially with the lack of current wonders in that area.

[Ayce]

I haven't checked this forum out for a long time, and I don't know when I'm gonna get back into playing a Total War game, but I thought I'd pitch in with a suggestion here:

The Sarmisegetuza Sanctuary:







As well as the Danube Delta as a natural wonder.

[neo_deus]

Dont't know if this thread is dead/closed or if the team has already decided on a final list, but here goes nothing :)

My suggestion is the now known as "Cromeleque dos Almendres" situated on a hill near the city of Évora, in Portugal. It's the largest megalithic monument in all the Iberian Peninsula and one of the most important in all of Europe.

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http://www.igespar.pt/pt/patrimonio/.../detail/69690/

I'm sending this pics along with the link to the IGESPAR (institute for the management of the arquitectonic and archeologic patrimony) where you can find some more info. If you need some help translating from the portuguese, just give me a heads up.

[NikosMaximilian]

I don't know how far the EBII map will stretch, so may I ask if Lake Issyk Kul will be included?

If so, these recent discoveries could be considered to give the Sakas a wonder.

[Tanit]

Any geographical feature which existed in 272 BC and is present on the EB1 map will be present on the EB2 map.

[fomalhaut]

i had a question regarding the Lions Gate at the Mycenean citadel; was there a reason for its exclusion? it seems like a very obvious entry as a wonder and halfway through writing a request i realized there must be a reason for its exclusion, correct? Or am i over emphasizing its importance?

[Teleklos Archelaou]

The Greeks of the classical and hellenistic periods knew about it, but there doesn't seem to be much indication that they did that much about it. There was some tourist trade there near Mycenae (I seem to recall that touristy little axes sold near there that were like the one Agamemnon was killed with), but we don't have any real evidence that substantial numbers of people went out of their way to go there much or that it affected the local economy or would have caused (an imaginary anway) "boost" to morale for soldiers around there. And especially given all the other stuff in that province (Olympic Games, Statue of Zeus, Isthmian Games, Epidauros, Acrocorinth, Temple of Apollo at Bassai, tons of other temples, sanctuaries, etc.). The Lion Gate is very important archaeologically today (only surviving piece of monumtental Bronze Age art in Greece), but the amount if would merit inclusion vs those other things in the region is too weak.

[Arjos]

I don't know if this is already ingame or not, as it's quite famous I believe, and could be two or get coupled together:



The terrace of the Lions to represent Delos, or to get more accurate Apollo's temple could be ok...
Place should still wield some political influence...



This is the other one, the sanctuary to Poseidon and Amphitrites in the near island of Tinos...
A very good place for the hellenistic period, as it was the most important temple related to the sea, where the Poseidonia were held annually; and most of all it was the seat of the Nesiotic League (or league of the islanders) founded by Monophthalmos...
People visited first Tinos to get "cleansed" and then moved to Delos...
Could be cool if the region holding it rewarded with the trait of hegemon of the league, with influence bonuses and such; Philadelphos should already have it at the start date I think...

[Justin]

First post here-

I am going to post on topic, but first a quick introduction. I went on a research trip to Morocco a few years back, and I have compiled several natural sites that might be of interest to EB2. Also, I have been following this mod for quite a while so would like to contribute.

Dadès Gorges



"The Dades Gorge is a scenically beautiful section of the Dades River valley separating the Atlas Mountains from the Anti Atlas. The Gorge is best known for mesmerizing scenery and the Kasbahs set precariously amongst it overlooking the river below. Gravity defying rock stacks in all shades of red look as though they’ll crumble in front of your eyes and are deeply cut by gullies created by the persistent action of the river and weather. The road north from Boumalne Dades, with its switchbacks and magnificent views is a great way to see the gorge itself, but one that is clearly used by large numbers of tourists as is borne out by the increasingly esoteric mix of road side attractions, ranging from the traditional jewelry and fossil stands, to an elaborate full sized biblical scene in papier-mâché (including high-fiving messiah) on our most recent visit."

From http://www.naturalhighsafaris.com/ex...rge-and-erfoud

Erg Chebbi



"The dunes of Erg Chebbi reach a height of up to 150 meters and altogether spans an area of 22 kilometers from north to south and up to 5-10 kilometers from east to west."

-from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erg_Chebbi

I have been to both of these locations and I can tell you that they are wonders. The sand dunes at Erg Chebbi are giant, enormous dunes, and really dwarf you. I had trouble climbing one of these dunes when I stayed at the oasis at Erg Chebbi. I know that EB2 is a historically accurate MOD which is the reason why I love it, so the only criticism I can give these two wonders is that the names supplied are from French (gorge) and Arabic (Chebbi) I don't know what they would have been called in ancient times. Berber tribes would have inhabited these regions as both of these locations lay beyond the Atlas and Anti-Atlas Mountains.

The city of Volubilis (which is absent from EB1) was the provincial capital of Mauritania for Rome during the Empire period. However, their reach did not extend beyond the mountains (based on my knowledge of the area and site) so these two wonders would have been held by the Berber tribes and like I said I don't know what they would have called these two regions.

[sakhr]

Wonder
The Marib dam, i dont know if this have been listed

[Moros]

It was already in EB I.

[Myth]

Suggestion: Thracian Burial Mounds
Location: the Balkans (modern day Bulgaria and Macedonia)

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There are approximately 60,000 burial mounds and sacred sites dating from Thracian times on Bulgarian soil, of which only 100 have been researched. Especially interesting is the "Valley of the Thracian Kings" (a modern name), a valley with more than 1000 burial mounds concentrated in a relatively small area. The oldest date from the late Bronze age, and the newest from the early Iron age. They doubled as burial sites and sacred places and are often filled with riches and works of art. If need arises, I can translate this and other articles on the matter.

Suggested bonus: 5% global law bonus to your settlements if you hold the wonder. Cannot be destroyed. It grants a trait which adds +1 Influence to whomever visits the settlement which holds them (should probably be Serdica).

[Arjos]

Been reading about the Diadochoi recently and I think these two would be great additions:

Oracle and Temple of Apollo in Didyma. The second most famous oracle, after Delphoi. It held panhellenic games and it was here, during the third successors war, that the oracle called Seleukos as "basileus", for the first time. (I think even among all the successors, as they still took the regency or the lordship/generalship of Europe and Asia). Nikator obviously paid for its reconstruction :P

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And the Tyche of Antiocheia. Very important for the population, during those trouble times. Many cities quickly developed a cult for their icons of fortune. This particular one, would've had its own temple and was a large bronze statue (unfortunately, we have only roman copies today).

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