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    Default Pre-war Czechoslovak army in numbers

    I thought I will post it here. My source is very detailed and has very positive reviews.
    Majewski is a respected younger historian specialising in CZE military and foreing policy, he is in charge of the Museum of the 2nd WW which will be built in Gdańsk to 2012-15.




    The data compares 1939 POL with 1938 CZE because it is often said that CZE military was better prepared, especially better armed.





    POL Infantry division (30 of those) + 9-11 reserve divisions armed ina similar way as the CZE division,

    16 500 men, 27 AT, 4 AA, 132 HvMG, 20 mortars, 81 granade launchers, 92 AT rifles, 48 cannons and howitzers,

    CZE Infantry division (17 of those) + c.20 reserve divisions with worse equipment.

    13 500 men, 18 AT, 0 AA, 54 HvMG, 18 mortars, 0 granade launchers, 0 AT rifles, 30 cannons and howitzers,


    Some divisions on both sides were supported by addititonal forces, but those numbers are for the avarage, active infantry divisions which formed core formations of both armies.





    General
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    POL - c. 1,3 million men (without all reservists) including a very small number of Germans - other minorities remained loyal,

    CZE - c. 1,1 million men (without all reservists) including hostile German and Hungarian conscripts - c.25% of manpower - (for example numerous drivers) - others remained relatively loyal,


    POL - 60 divisions and brigades, including 30 active infantry divisions, 11 cavalry and 2 mechanized brigades

    CZE - 41 divisions and brigades, including 17 active infantry divisions, 4 fast/mobile divisions,



    artillery
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    CZE - 780 AT in infantry + c. 230 in fortifications

    POL - 1300+ AT guns


    CZE - 216 AA - 60 modern (56 80mm and 4 75mm) + 49 AA machine guns companies,

    POL - 370 AA - 250 modern + 95 AA machine guns companies,


    CZE - 2900 cannons and howitzers,

    POL - 3300 cannons and howitzers,


    tanks
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    CZE - 350 + 50 in reserve (tankettes) and more in production,

    POL - 800-1000 older, mostly recon tankettes + some reserves and in production,


    Overall CZE are better armed here with better tanks and armoured cars,


    motorization
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    CZE - 4 fast divisions

    motorized-horse/cyclist hybrid divisions with some tanks - each division was different, there was no unified doctrine how to use them, pnly the 4th can be counted as light armored with almost 100 tanks at their disposal,

    + one more than partially motorized infantry division (14th) which however was de-motorized during the mobilization in 1938 sending many vehicles to support AT companies for infantry,

    15 % of artillery is motorized, all infantry divisions can be considered partially motorized (process however disrupted by a shortage of drivers - many of them Sudetenland Germans),


    POL - 2 fully mechanized brigades, 11 cavalry brigades

    a small part of artillery is motorized (all AA cannons, some AT, a small number of army artillery units), all divisionary and army engineer units are motorized,


    Aircrafts
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    POL - 400 first line, 890 with reserves, c.1800-2000 overall including trainers and civilian

    CZE - 568 first line, 801 with reserves, 1514 overall including trainers and civilian


    Poles had more modern bombers, 30% of CZE pilots were not available, their airforce was more decentralised (no general reserve force such as POL pursuit and bomber brigades), CZE had more of more modern fighters,


    Ships
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    No comparison, but river flotillas might be mentioned:

    POL - 6 river monitors, several gunboats and smaller ships,

    CZE - one, new river monitor (President Masaryk) and many smaller vessels.




    Sources:

    mainly from -


    Piotr Majewski "Nierozegrana kampania, Możliwości obronne Czechosłowacji jesienią 1938 roku", TRIO , Warszawa 2004, ISBN 83-88542-83-4.


    based on documents from Prague Military Archieve and these Czech works:


    Karlický V. "Československé dělostřelecké zbraně. Naše vojsko", Praha 1975.
    oraz
    Ráboň M., Svoboda T. "Československá zeď", Brno 1993





    I actually never expected something like this, I mean I knew about relative weakness of CZE air defence, but here it looks like there was NO air defence to speak of.
    This fact alone could be decisive.

    The most suprising fact is visable weakness of artillery in the country which was exporting cannons to dozens of states.



    Of course CZE was almost two times smaller, but richer (inherited majority of ex-Austro-Hungarian industry for example) and more industrialised.


    I am not sure how CZE communication equipment was like - how many radiostations they were using, but that is unlikely to change much.

    One important factor in CZE favour are the fortifications on their border territories, the problem is there were large areas where the protective belt wasn't built or was full of numerous holes and its details were well known to the German side.




    In my opinion Czechoslovak government knew those facts well aand they had no other choice but to capitulate.

    The data might be useful, though because from time to time the myth of Munich appears in here and there describing the CZE government almost as cowards and their army as very well equipped, well trained and prepared to fight, blaming the politicains who didn't let them.
    Last edited by cegorach; 01-27-2010 at 18:00.

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    Default Re: Pre-war Czechoslovak army in numbers

    Very interesting. Thank you for the information
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    Default Re: Pre-war Czechoslovak army in numbers

    Yes - very interesting. I think to make this comparison (very good comparison) even better, we should add 3rd player - Germany. I mean we should compare numbers mentioned here with German army into 1938 and 1939.
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