Nusantara Total War : Portugese Invasion

[Nyz]

placeholder for "active rebel" faction, who basically share same rooster as the slave faction

So 1 faction slot is given to them? OK agreed.

Well, in history, Melaka used them as army. Can they be at least 1 unit, as low class unit, namely Orang Laut / Bajak Laut, and using blowpipe + dart or javelin? hired at least as mercenary...

[Cute Wolf]

So 1 faction slot is given to them? OK agreed.

Well, in history, Melaka used them as army. Can they be at least 1 unit, as low class unit, namely Orang Laut / Bajak Laut, and using blowpipe + dart or javelin? hired at least as mercenary...

javelin yes, blowpipe is not, such missiles are impractical in large scale battles

[G. Septimus]

So 1 faction slot is given to them? OK agreed.

Well, in history, Melaka used them as army. Can they be at least 1 unit, as low class unit, namely Orang Laut / Bajak Laut, and using blowpipe + dart or javelin? hired at least as mercenary...

nah, RTW does'nt have blowpipe operations................
Javelins work

[Nyz]

Well, javelin also OK. Bajak Laut also used javelin. Could not ask for more.


ADD: For level of church, I translated these words based on Portuguese Christian structures in Goa, India.

Igreja (Church) < Igreja e Convento (Church and monastery) < Catedral (cathedral) < Basilica (Basilica)

well, I only get 4 levels. Can we add Capela (Chapel) as the smallest one?


ADD: I want to review the translation for Mosque

Musolla (Prayer Enclosure) < Surau (Small Mosque) < Masjid (Mosque) < Masjid Jamek (Congregational Mosque) < Masjid Raya / Masjid Agung (Grand Mosque)

[Rahwana]

Well, javelin also OK. Bajak Laut also used javelin. Could not ask for more.


ADD: For level of church, I translated these words based on Portuguese Christian structures in Goa, India.

Igreja (Church) < Igreja e Convento (Church and monastery) < Catedral (cathedral) < Basilica (Basilica)

well, I only get 4 levels. Can we add Capela (Chapel) as the smallest one?


ADD: I want to review the translation for Mosque

Musolla (Prayer Enclosure) < Surau (Small Mosque) < Masjid (Mosque) < Masjid Jamek (Congregational Mosque) < Masjid Raya / Masjid Agung (Grand Mosque)

hmm, I think the religious constructins should be going this way (CW forget it ) , don't forget that building namings are cultural thingies, and we'll use cultural names of their own.
- Europeans : Capable to build 5 level of Church, and 4 level of Mosque and Temples, while the Mosque and Temples are ONLY meant to quell up rebelions and public orders, as their FM's are trait protected, so heir FM will remain Christian all the time (we don't hope to see Haji Sander Erades don't you )
- Javanese & Sundanese : capable to build 5 level of All religious constructions (the sundanese however, may retain faction specific name), their FM will probably convert if placed in regons with another religious structures. You must remember that once time, the Southern Javanese rural areas are predominantly Christian (and now, they still predominantly christian in several rural areas of northern Yogyakarta and southwest central java - but most of them choose to fled to the Netherland when Indonesia was Independent). You also must notice that put aside eastern Indonesian area and North Sumatera Bataks, the most Influential Christianized nobles are South Javanese
- Melayu (Aceh and melaka) - 5 level of Mosque. 4 level of temple, and receive penalty from churches (the player's FM could be converted to christianity if he was exposed too long to christianity (the AI FM will be trait protected), this was done to emulate that Melayu culture was predominantly Islamic, and didn't have significant numbers of Christian influence.
- Melayu-Sumatera / South Sumateran (Sriwijaya & Palembang), 5 level of mosques, 5 level of temples, and 4 level of Church... well, that was almost the same reasons.

[plutoboyz]

...(we don't hope to see Haji Sander Erades don't you )

Haji=King

why not?

[Rahwana]

Haji=King

why not?

Let's ask Skullheadhq if he want to become a muslim well, religious sentiments aside, we could see that no Portuguese or Dutch muslim convert took the high office in this period. On the contrary, Christianized nobles do exist in javanese, bataks, and sriwijayan area

[plutoboyz]

hehehe... just language jokes. Haji mean King

example: Haji Pakuan = King of Pakuan

[Nyz]

hmm, I think the religious constructins should be going this way (CW forget it ) , don't forget that building namings are cultural thingies, and we'll use cultural names of their own.

That's make my job harder coz I have to translate church and temple names into Malay...

[Rahwana]

yeah, but it was the language of later times, right

[Rahwana]

That's make my job harder coz I have to translate church and temple names into Malay...

Melayu GOT NO CHURCH

maybe you should add some names for "generic" temples coz we will use Temple of Brahma, Wisnu, Siwa, Buddha, Kali, etc


EDIT : or maybe we could include "Atheist" traits that will made someone didn't have any religion? heheheh

[plutoboyz]

so we have different name for each culture?

darn, I should go buy some dictionary...

[Nyz]

Well, for temple:

Pura Dewa [Siva] (Shrine of Lord [Siva])< Candi Dewa [Siva] (Temple of Lord [Siva]) < Candi Gedang Dewa [Siva] (Grand Temple of Lord [Siva]) < Candi Agung Dewa [Siva] (Great Temple of Lord [Siva]) < Candi Gunung Dewa [Siva] (Temple mountain of lord [Siva])

For other god, repleace Siva with Brahma, Vishnu, etc

Well, classical Malay for Siva was Sang Sinuhun Wangsa Agung Batara Guru, Brahma (Ganeshka Putra Sri Batara Narada), and Vishnu (Batara Vishnu)

For Buddha: Some modification. I'll post later.

so we have different name for each culture?

darn, I should go buy some dictionary...

Cannot use Google translator? you are very fond of it....

[plutoboyz]

...
Cannot use Google translator? you are very fond of it....

if Sunda Kuna included, I'll use it!

[Rahwana]

lol, sunda kuna translator....



time to back to my work island... the ship will come soon enough...

[Nyz]

hehehe... just language jokes. Haji mean King

example: Haji Pakuan = King of Pakuan

yeah, but it was the language of later times, right

Well, Srivijaya's inscription of Telaga Batu also stated Haji as king...

[Cute Wolf]

Well, Srivijaya's inscription of Telaga Batu also stated Haji as king...

king of Islam domonated areas, to be precise

[jirisys]

Melayu GOT NO CHURCH

maybe you should add some names for "generic" temples coz we will use Temple of Brahma, Wisnu, Siwa, Buddha, Kali, etc


EDIT : or maybe we could include "Atheist" traits that will made someone didn't have any religion? heheheh

I believe the "Rational Beliefs" trait is the closest to it (at least in EB) but it would be good to have an "Atheist" trait... -1 influence, +3 management, +1 command, +3 command when attacking theists, +5 Law, -3 Unrest, +3 morality of troops, -1 morale of troops

~Jirisys (too many effects? think again!)

[Cute Wolf]

I believe the "Rational Beliefs" trait is the closest to it (at least in EB) but it would be good to have an "Atheist" trait... -1 influence, +3 management, +1 command, +3 command when attacking theists, +5 Law, -3 Unrest, -1 morality of troops

~Jirisys (too many effects? think again!)

your troops will have much time enjoying themself in war-rape then
EDIT: I suggest the Atheist traits to have -1 infulence, +2 management, -1 morale to troops, +1 command against native factions

[Nyz]

Melayu-Sriwj Mariners (archer-2handed tombak) = Tentera Laot
Malakan Elite Mariners (javelin-kapak) = Hulubalang Laot

I have found the word for Melayu-Sriwj Mariners (archer-2handed tombak) in Sejarah Melayu = Langlang Laut (Shore patrolmen), while for Malakan Elite Mariners (javelin-kapak), just named it Hulubalang

ADD: Acheh called themselves as Kesultanan Aceh Darussalam or Nanggroe Aceh Darussalam or Keurajeun Acèh Darussalam?

[jirisys]

your troops will have much time enjoying themself in war-rape then
EDIT: I suggest the Atheist traits to have -1 infulence, +2 management, -1 morale to troops, +1 command against native factions

LMFAO it was +3 morality (if on MTW it should be -3 Dread) and -1 morale

~Jirisys (that has a new meaning for "taking on" your enemy)

[plutoboyz]

after reasearching for a while, here is building translation for Sunda.

City
a) *Dusun ( vanilla village level)
b) Kampung (vanilla town)
c) Lembur (vanilla large town)
d) Dayeuh (vanilla minor city)
e) Dayeuhan (vanilla large city)
f) Nagara (vanilla huge city) it also means polis

walls.
a) wooden palisades=>*Pager
b) wooden wall=>Kuta
c) masonry wall=>*Témbok

Factional Barracks=Ksatryaan
Regional Barrack=Ksatryaan Dayeuh
European Barrack=Kasatryaan Éropah

Masjid or Church; will be named by present Sundanese and loanword. no archaic words for it.
Mosque:
Musola>Masigit Leutik>Masigit>Masigit Ageung
Church:
Kapél>Goléjra Leutik>Goléjra>Goléjra Ageung
temples:
Kabuyutan Jati Sunda


hmm... am I missing something?

*) Temporary word till I found something more archaic.

[plutoboyz]

ADD: Acheh called themselves as Kesultanan Aceh Darussalam or Nanggroe Aceh Darussalam or Keurajeun Acèh Darussalam?

Keurajeun Acèh Darussalam

[Nyz]

Keurajeun Acèh Darussalam

I vote for ya... for the usage in this mod...

ADD: For Melaka FM that existed in 1511, I have been post that at discussion thread.

For nobles:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

a) Bendahara Paduka Tuan
office: prime minister
age: very old / venerable

b) Laksamana Hang Nadim
office: Admiral
age: just coming of age/ just married
He was commanding 300 boats of Langlang Laut troops patrolling Melakan shore during the battle with Portuguesa.

c) Temenggung Seri Udani
Office: Inspector-general of police

d) Tun Indera Segara

e) Tun Salehu'd-din

f) Lamat Gagah
(Bendahara Paduka Tuan bodyguard)

Setia Raja
Office: Batin /Orang Laut Chieftain of Kelang

Raja Negara
Office: Batin /Orang Laut Chieftain of Singapore

[plutoboyz]

after reasearching for a while, here is building translation for Sunda.

City
a) Kampung ( vanilla village level)
b) Lembur (vanilla town)
c) Kitha (vanilla large town)
d) Dayeuh (vanilla minor city)
e) Dayeuhan (vanilla large city)
f) Nagara (vanilla huge city) it also means polis

walls.
a) wooden palisades=>*Pager
b) wooden wall=>*Témbok
c) masonry wall=>Kuta

Factional Barracks=Ksatryaan
Regional Barrack=Ksatryaan Dayeuh
European Barrack=Kasatryaan Éropah

Masjid or Church; will be named by present Sundanese and loanword. no archaic words for it.
Mosque:
Musola>Masigit Leutik>Masigit>Masigit Ageung
Church:
Kapél>Goléjra Leutik>Goléjra>Goléjra Ageung
temples:
Kabuyutan Jati Sunda(law)



hmm... am I missing something?

*) Temporary word till I found something more archaic.

Edited

[Cute Wolf]

I want to ask Tosa to made a subforum for our mod...

[plutoboyz]

I want to ask Tosa to made a subforum for our mod...

yay! great.

[Skullheadhq]

Haven't been here for some time, I see you did every symbol in my VOC style :D

[Nyz]

Kabare? Wes mangan?

For European barrack (4 levels): Logically they will used classical loanwords of Europe in Malay:

Sekolah Soldadu Kapitan (Soldier school of the captain) < Sekolah Soldadu Jenderal (Soldier school of the General) < Sekolah Soldadu Gabernador (soldier school of the governor) < sekolah Soldadu Wizurai (Soldier school of the viceroy)

I suggest the word sekolah (school) because it is the loanword from Portuguesa: Escola (and definitely the loanword from Greek: Schole). It have been used in Malay literature such as Tuhfat an-Nafis, Syair Sultan Abu Bakar, Syair Sultan Lingga.

And the word soldadu, kapitan, gabernador (see spelling, not gabenor, gabenor is new spelling) jenderal (see spelling, not jeneral, jeneral is new spelling)and wizurai are the loanwords used extensively in Hikayat.

ADD: Buddhist temple:

Stupa Buddha (Buddhist stupa) < Candi Buddha (Buddhist temple) < Candi Buddha dan Vihara (Buddhist temple and monastery) < Candi Maha Buddha dan Vihara (Temple of great Buddha and monastery) < Candi Maha Buddha dan Vihara Agung (Temple of great Buddha and Grand monastery)

ADD: Signature for all faction have been finished and attached at Nusantara Total War group. Feel free to use whichever you all like...and comments are welcomed..

[Skullheadhq]

What about some textured symbols, like this one: