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    unvote, vote: Romanic

    Between AVSM and Romanic, I find Romanic more pressing.
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    vote: romanic

    to prevent a tie.

    I'm sure you guys can change things around if you choose to persue another target.
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    Oh well, with 3/8 votes on me on this side of the river and 1 hour to go, I guess it's useless to try defending myself. I'm not a big loss, just a vanilla townie and I have nothing to share. Good luck.

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    The Communists still felt obliged to lynch someone for some reason in the fierce thunderstorm, even though they had spent three days without a single kill.

    "We have to fight Fire with Fire, boys." announced autolycus with a stern severity "Even when fire has already been attempted" referring to the quaking Romanic and his bridge-jumping exploits.

    "I'm a good Communist. Really! I don't know why you're all ganging up on me..."

    askthepizzaguy approached Romanic and laid a hand on his shoulder: "We do have a good reason. Just Because." , before drawing his butcher's knife. Romanic stepped back, clearly panicked

    "Now now now there's no need to go psychopath on me. I ;m sure we can come to a convienient arrangement where we-"

    Just at that moment, a huge lightning bolt blasted the tree Romanic was standing under. Although the thunderbolt left Romanic frazzled, he was otherwise unarmed. But the tree was charred to a crisp, and it's brittle roots has become blackened and twisted, and they gave way. The tree crumbled and collapsed, right on top of the screaming Romanic, who was crushed by the falling lumber.

    askthepizzaguy tutted, but the others seemed quite glad that ATPG didn't go as psychopathic as Romanic had feared.

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    Do we have to make any decisions regarding the coming assault on the bridge?
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    Nope, I shall arrange all of that myself.

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    Subotan, please remove my name from the alive list. I had a woohoo moment when I saw that before realizing that I was also dead.

    Good luck guys, be careful with ATPG: He's the only replacement player in this game, so I'd be surprised if he's vanilla. Could easily be Japanese, we haven't found any of them yet. In fact, our officers are bound to have some Japanese in their ranks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Romanic View Post
    He's the only replacement player in this game, so I'd be surprised if he's vanilla.
    No, I'm not the only replacement player in this game. M3YUZ replaced Methos. I was one of Subotan's few reserve players; most of the other players here had already signed up.

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    I am looking for replacements for the above two players. Contact me if you are interested, or know someone who is.
    Those players were Thermal and Wishazu. He couldn't even find a replacement for Wishazu, and those are the only other players (2) that have been WOG'ed or replaced.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy View Post
    No, I'm not the only replacement player in this game. M3YUZ replaced Methos. I was one of Subotan's few reserve players; most of the other players here had already signed up.
    Er, true, but Methos was replaced on Day 1 so I'm not seeing M3YUZ as a replacement.

    Quote Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy View Post
    Those players were Thermal and Wishazu. He couldn't even find a replacement for Wishazu, and those are the only other players (2) that have been WOG'ed or replaced.
    I think Subotan would have replaced a role before a vanilla, so that twice the chances for you to be someone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Romanic View Post
    I think Subotan would have replaced a role before a vanilla, so that twice the chances for you to be someone.
    By that logic, M3YUZ must have been someone awfully important to be replaced right away. Let's see what turns up when his results come back.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy View Post
    By that logic, M3YUZ must have been someone awfully important to be replaced right away. Let's see what turns up when his results come back.
    I disagree. Methos asked to be replaced immediately after the game started so it wasn't Subotan's decision. It's not similar to your situation of 2 players being WOGed at the same time, and you replacing one of them. M3YUZ didn't get a chance to replace any of 2 players, but you did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Romanic View Post
    I disagree. Methos asked to be replaced immediately after the game started so it wasn't Subotan's decision. It's not similar to your situation of 2 players being WOGed at the same time, and you replacing one of them. M3YUZ didn't get a chance to replace any of 2 players, but you did.
    None of this has any bearing on whether I have a role or not. If more people had gone inactive, and there had been more replacement players, there would have been more replacements. I was simply the only other reserve player besides M3YUZ, and the only people besides Thermal to drop were Methos and Wishazu.

    It is not the case that only power roles get replaced, or else we would simply lynch/murder every replacement player immediately, rendering the whole concept of replacement useless.
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    I apologise for the lateness of the current update, and for once it is not due to my laziness. I have spent the entire day preparing for my final concert with my band and playing it, and I have literally just walked in the door.I shall try and get the write-up in for as early as possible tomorrow morning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy View Post
    None of this has any bearing on whether I have a role or not. If more people had gone inactive, and there had been more replacement players, there would have been more replacements. I was simply the only other reserve player besides M3YUZ, and the only people besides Thermal to drop were Methos and Wishazu.

    It is not the case that only power roles get replaced, or else we would simply lynch/murder every replacement player immediately, rendering the whole concept of replacement useless.
    It does have bearing, it's mathematical.

    Suppose 1/4 of the players start with a role, everyone has an equal chance to be vanilla (3/4 = 75%), but you coming as a replacement, with 2 replacing options, means that you have less chances to be vanilla (3/4 * 3/4 = 56%).

    I'm not saying you're a role, but probability wise, you're better off than anyone else.

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    And my scum alarms are going off once more. My response to this character assassination is to reveal Romanic's behind the scenes behavior, for your viewing pleasure.





    7/9/2010 4:40:14 PM Romanichine why are you voting me anyway?
    7/9/2010 4:40:21 PM Romanichine Because I'm dangerous?
    7/9/2010 4:41:19 PM ATPG I gave my reasons in-thread. Of all the active players, you and landlubber seem to be active enough, talkative enough, but still giving off scummy vibes
    7/9/2010 4:41:26 PM ATPG Though I would prefer landlubber
    7/9/2010 4:41:49 PM Romanichine Scummy vibes, bah
    7/9/2010 4:42:08 PM Romanichine Go at the workshop and get your scum-o-something fixed
    7/9/2010 4:42:14 PM Romanichine :D
    Like every guilty party who has ever responded to my accusations (rather than ignore me), Romanic tells me to get my scumdar fixed when I accuse him. This is interesting because he's got no problem with my ability to detect scum any other time, in any other game. The consistent link between the guilty parties is always the route of saying "your case is bad" or "your scumdar needs fixing", etc, whereas townies understand I am not right 100% of the time and cut me a break.

    7/9/2010 4:42:20 PM ATPG I believe I proved in the previous game it is working just fine...
    7/9/2010 4:42:33 PM ATPG if I'm wrong about you that means I'm still right on 3 of the last 4
    7/9/2010 4:43:08 PM Romanichine What last 3?
    7/9/2010 4:43:14 PM ATPG pick your power
    7/9/2010 4:43:29 PM Romanichine I thought you said to vote for CDF in the thread
    7/9/2010 4:43:41 PM ATPG Yeah; he was the vengeful lynchee
    7/9/2010 4:43:48 PM ATPG we set it up so he would kill Beskar
    7/9/2010 4:43:55 PM Romanichine Ah it was a setup
    7/9/2010 4:43:58 PM ATPG it was the only way to get him after Beskar had 2 votes
    7/9/2010 4:44:02 PM ATPG and the townies only had 2
    7/9/2010 4:44:06 PM ATPG and you were inactive...
    7/9/2010 4:44:07 PM ATPG :P
    7/9/2010 4:44:15 PM ATPG basically that was a hail mary that worked
    7/9/2010 4:44:26 PM ATPG it was awesome
    7/9/2010 4:44:27 PM Romanichine Okay, well you'll be 3/4, that's good enough
    7/9/2010 4:44:34 PM ATPG still....
    7/9/2010 4:45:05 PM ATPG If I wasn't convinced AVSM was going to get WOG'ed soon anyway, I'd vote for him of the two of you. it's just pointless not to try to lynch a suspect at this point
    7/9/2010 4:45:19 PM Romanichine I hope you won't regret not having someone who's following the game when we will regroup
    Here, Romanic attempts to play the doubt card. Fear, doom, gloom, and doubt. When I was doing my SkyNet analysis of 20 games, one thing was interesting about how the scums played their game. The fact is, roughly half of them resort to fear and doubt based tactics. Not unlike certain recent government administrations. Always arguing from emotion, rather than from the facts and evidence. Why is that? it is because when someone doesn't have the cards, they need to bluff. Bluffing requires convincing your opponent of something by making them misread your emotional state, or by betting heavily on something you should, by all rights, lose. Bluffing takes emotional manipulation and plays upon doubt. That's one of the reasons I don't back down when people start to throw "doubt" mud in my direction. Townies don't do that, at least not very often.

    Dire warnings about regretting Romanic's absence, when he's clearly only claiming to be a basic commie, seemed off to me. But I was willing to hear him out. Let's continue.

    7/9/2010 4:45:37 PM ATPG the mafia are obviously following the game
    7/9/2010 4:45:38 PM ATPG :P
    7/9/2010 4:45:50 PM ATPG my suspect list comes from that pool
    7/9/2010 4:45:53 PM Romanichine Yeah, but I'm following every game I played
    7/9/2010 4:46:10 PM Romanichine except last week of course
    7/9/2010 4:46:23 PM ATPG If you die and are proven innocent, then you'll have the credibility to accuse whoever you please.
    7/9/2010 4:46:26 PM Romanichine You should know that it's not a good point against me
    7/9/2010 4:46:36 PM Romanichine Yeah, three days later
    7/9/2010 4:46:47 PM Romanichine people won't listen anyway
    Here, I offer Romanic a consolation prize. If he's such an innocent, good communist, then clearly he will jump at my next offer, which is to vote for who he says to vote for. If I am a traitor, that means he can put me into some awkward situations where I lynch my own allies. If I am a good communist, then he still basically has a vote.

    But he's not interested in this because he seems to realize that after three days, his opinion isn't going to mean a hill of squat. Why is that I wonder? How curious. So I press the issue.

    7/9/2010 4:46:50 PM ATPG I will
    7/9/2010 4:47:01 PM ATPG I don't know if you know this but I pay attention to every player
    7/9/2010 4:47:12 PM ATPG I'll act as your vote.
    7/9/2010 4:47:34 PM Romanichine Great consolation :P
    7/9/2010 4:47:46 PM ATPG Well there's just no pleasing you! :(
    7/9/2010 4:47:49 PM ATPG :P
    7/9/2010 4:48:00 PM Romanichine Oh you can please me, you know how :D
    7/9/2010 4:48:10 PM ATPG Care to rephrase that? :lol:
    7/9/2010 4:48:19 PM Romanichine lol
    7/9/2010 4:49:47 PM Romanichine I'll help you, all you have to do is copy it:
    7/9/2010 4:49:48 PM Romanichine unvote; vote: AVSM
    Ordinarily, innocent players understand what I am trying to do, which is compensate for the potential loss of an innocent vote by making sure their newfound proven-clean reputation doesn't go to waste. For all intents and purposes, Romanic can become an unkillable lynch vote. Yet he's not even remotely interested. Why is that?

    Because he's dead certain no one will listen to him in three days, least of all me. And he's certain of this, why?

    At this point I am sensing something askew and the pressure vote becomes a serious vote. Now I want to know what his deal was.

    7/9/2010 4:50:13 PM ATPG why didn't you protect anyone last night?
    7/9/2010 4:50:32 PM Romanichine Because I didn't have an internet connection
    7/9/2010 4:50:52 PM Romanichine I missed my moves in the diplomacy game also, and lost because of it
    7/9/2010 4:50:57 PM Romanichine you can verify this
    7/9/2010 4:51:17 PM ATPG Well that part anyway.
    7/9/2010 4:51:26 PM ATPG It still doesn't help me verify if you're a townie or not
    7/9/2010 4:51:38 PM ATPG was the townie role PM ever made public?
    7/9/2010 4:51:44 PM ATPG the basic one?
    7/9/2010 4:51:54 PM Romanichine Good question, not sure
    7/9/2010 4:51:58 PM Romanichine I think so
    7/9/2010 4:52:04 PM ATPG just in case, send me the role PM
    7/9/2010 4:52:13 PM ATPG if you do it fast enough I may change my vote.
    7/9/2010 4:52:13 PM Romanichine Can I do that?
    7/9/2010 4:52:18 PM ATPG checking
    7/9/2010 4:53:30 PM Romanichine lol there's 5 minutes left,
    7/9/2010 4:53:40 PM Romanichine Are you playing with me? :D
    A fair question, why wasn't he doing his job?

    A fair answer. Okay, I am starting to buy this. Maybe he can reveal and prove his story.

    7/9/2010 4:53:41 PM ATPG No
    7/9/2010 4:53:43 PM ATPG it is not allowed
    7/9/2010 4:53:49 PM ATPG "Although you are allowed to reveal, you are NOT allowed to quote your role PM’s; except for one thing. You may quote the quote that comes with every role PM. And should you be inactive for three phases in a row without informing me, or until I decide that you have been inactive enough, I shall WOG you."
    7/9/2010 4:54:05 PM ATPG what is the quote that comes with your role PM
    7/9/2010 4:54:14 PM ATPG I will verify if it is authentic
    7/9/2010 4:54:24 PM Romanichine Then vote AVSM, he hasn't voted for 5 days and he's still alove
    7/9/2010 4:54:37 PM ATPG tick
    7/9/2010 4:54:39 PM ATPG tock
    7/9/2010 4:54:41 PM Romanichine what you pasted said three days is a wog
    7/9/2010 4:54:57 PM ATPG communist quote, plz
    7/9/2010 4:55:13 PM Romanichine Bah, I don't knoiw which part I am allowed to quote, Pizza
    7/9/2010 4:55:21 PM ATPG the quote at the top of the PM
    7/9/2010 4:55:30 PM Romanichine The proletarians have nothing to lose but their chains. They have a world to win. ~ Karl Marx
    7/9/2010 4:55:32 PM Romanichine this?
    7/9/2010 4:55:35 PM ATPG yes
    Unfortunately full role reveals are not allowed in this game. But, I can still find out if his quote is authentic.

    So, I ask him to reveal the quote. Look how long it takes him to reveal the quote.

    A full minute and a half.

    7/9/2010 4:55:41 PM ATPG now let's see how easy that was to google.
    7/9/2010 4:55:59 PM Romanichine lol man, it's 1658 here and the phase ends in 2 mins
    7/9/2010 4:56:25 PM Romanichine You think I'm having time to Google stuff?
    7/9/2010 4:56:36 PM ATPG the very first result on google.
    7/9/2010 4:56:41 PM ATPG page 2 of that result.
    7/9/2010 4:56:44 PM ATPG Is your quote.
    7/9/2010 4:57:00 PM ATPG http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/au...karl_marx.html
    7/9/2010 4:57:02 PM ATPG page 2
    7/9/2010 4:57:07 PM ATPG it took me 5 seconds to find
    7/9/2010 4:57:22 PM ATPG I was hoping it was something a bit harder to fake.
    My point:

    It takes him a full minute and 30 seconds to come up with a quote which should take 5 seconds. Open your mailbox, read the PM you got from Subotan. It is that blatantly simple.

    Meanwhile, the quote he finds is one I found in 5 seconds just by Googling "Karl Marx quotes".

    Literally. And, it's also the first name you think of when you think of Communists. Kind of obvious, don't you think?

    7/9/2010 4:57:33 PM ATPG Also, Marx is a bit straightforward.
    7/9/2010 4:58:05 PM Romanichine Hmm, what did you use as search parameters?
    7/9/2010 4:58:22 PM ATPG Google: Karl Marx quotes
    7/9/2010 4:58:25 PM Romanichine From what you wrote, I don't see what I could have used to find it in 5 secs
    7/9/2010 4:58:25 PM ATPG top result
    7/9/2010 4:58:40 PM ATPG Mine is a Chinese quote.
    7/9/2010 4:58:46 PM Romanichine Yeah, except that you never mentionned Karl Marx when asking me about a quote
    7/9/2010 4:58:48 PM Romanichine or did you?
    7/9/2010 4:59:06 PM ATPG That's not the point.
    Here, I point out how easy it was to find in a few seconds. The extra minute is probably for reading his actual role PM and realizing he has to add the little ~ mark to make it look authentic.

    7/9/2010 4:59:15 PM Romanichine ah we don't all have the same quotes
    7/9/2010 4:59:30 PM ATPG (Communist quote deleted)
    7/9/2010 4:59:36 PM Romanichine Bah, leave me alone now, I'm lynched, it's done
    7/9/2010 4:59:45 PM ATPG Was I right?
    7/9/2010 4:59:51 PM ATPG I guess I'll find out
    7/9/2010 4:59:52 PM Romanichine No
    As soon as he realizes he's lynched he abandons the conversation entirely.

    Now, he is attempting to spread more doubt as to my allegiance. But he's totally unwilling to wait for someone to scan me or for the results to come back on him. He wants to use what influence he has remaining to bring down Askthepizzaguy, so that instead of murdering me, I too will have my credibility challenged for three days. And by then, it may be too late. So, he wants to take me out of the game in such a way that none of my analysis and reasoning can be put to good use.

    Given:

    • He was panicky about his own death
    • He wanted me to change my vote and was only concerned with that
    • He was hyper-aware of the deadline
    • He couldn't locate his own communist quote within a reasonable amount of time
    • His communist quote was BEYOND easy to find
    • And his actions since his death


    I believe I am being targeted by Romanic, and we might have gotten very lucky with his lynch.

    Sorry Romanic, you'll have to wait for your allies, if you have any left, to murder me. Until then, consider my offer to vote which way you say rescinded.




    Quote Originally Posted by Romanic View Post
    It does have bearing, it's mathematical.

    Suppose 1/4 of the players start with a role, everyone has an equal chance to be vanilla (3/4 = 75%), but you coming as a replacement, with 2 replacing options, means that you have less chances to be vanilla (3/4 * 3/4 = 56%).

    I'm not saying you're a role, but probability wise, you're better off than anyone else.
    And this ^ is total nonsense hidden behind fake math.

    You fail statistics forever.

    The odds against a person winning the lottery are high. The odds of there being a lottery winner are pretty good. But using statistics and probability, you could convince people to either always play the lottery (someone almost always wins) or never (the odds against are worse than being hit by lightning multiple times in your life).

    Beware of snakes trying to convince you through statistics. That's usually full of because it is misleading, but with numbers, so it looks official. It's totally fraudulent logic.
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    What a waste of your time, as I am dead anyway. Who are you trying to convince anyway?

    My probability calculations are good, no matter what you say, and I'm dead, so don't expect a big reply from me, as I have nothing to defend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Romanic View Post
    What a waste of your time, as I am dead anyway. Who are you trying to convince anyway?
    Should be obvious... You're obviously not actually trying to convince me I am guilty, so even though the conversation was directed at me ostensibly, it was really directed at everyone else. Just save time and say "Lynch ATPG, my hunch." no need for the rest of that.

    My probability calculations are good, no matter what you say, and I'm dead, so don't expect a big reply from me, as I have nothing to defend.
    I didn't say your math was wrong, I said the conclusion is wrong, so all the math in the world means nothing.

    Since you're attacking my credibility, I thought I'd show my work as to why you got lynched in the first place. A plurality thought you were guilty, and from my own interrogation, you were acting off. I gave you a chance to explain yourself and you failed the sniff test.

    That's all well and good, but since your post-death accusation is well off the mark, and you're singularly focused on me after I was the lynching vote, that tells me that you wish to discredit me or kill me before your true allegiance is found out.

    Shall I expect your swords, or guns, tonight?
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    Good luck guys, be careful with ATPG: He's the only replacement player in this game, so I'd be surprised if he's vanilla. Could easily be Japanese, we haven't found any of them yet.
    ^ The above is what I said that started your big defense, and it's not even an accusation. I am merely saying that you are likely not vanilla, maybe Japanese.

    You're awfully defensive, I wonder how many pages of text I would need to read if I was actually saying that they should lynch you instead of giving a fair warning about someone who might not be vanilla.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Romanic View Post
    ^ The above is what I said that started your big defense, and it's not even an accusation. I am merely saying that you are likely not vanilla, maybe Japanese.

    You're awfully defensive, I wonder how many pages of text I would need to read if I was actually saying that they should lynch you instead of giving a fair warning about someone who might not be vanilla.
    What? Oh I'm not accusing you, just implying you're Japanese and that people shouldn't listen to you. Why so defensive?

    Nice try. Back to your coffin.
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    *laughs*

    You failed to paste the start of our conversation where YOU opened the chat with me (while I was away), at 1637. I never requested to speak with you about this. You started this conversation 23 mins before the deadline,

    Are you serious about all this?

    All your arguments from our last conversation are based on something that I didn't started. You're neglecting obvious events at the price of wanting to prove that I am an enemy. The facts are:

    He was panicky about his own death
    1) I was never panicky, and I didn't want to speak with you at all. I was ready to die, but you gave me hope to change the lynch by starting a conversation just before the deadline.

    He wanted me to change my vote and was only concerned with that
    2) Yes, I wanted you to change your vote. Any player being lynched and caring about the game should do so, no matter which side he is.

    He was hyper-aware of the deadline
    3) Yes, as someone following the game should be. Were you not aware of the deadline?

    He couldn't locate his own communist quote within a reasonable amount of time
    4) Bah it took me less than 2 minutes if you look at the chat timestamp. How quick is good enough for you? Implying that I found a quote on Google in 2 minutes is laughable. I can't do that unless I know which kind of quote I should be looking for, and if I knew that and was a anti-communist, I would have one ready to throw at you instead of googling it. Bah!

    His communist quote was BEYOND easy to find
    5) Right.

    And his actions since his death
    6) My only action after death was to point out that you are more likely to have a role, and not be vanilla. Big deal. You're the one starting the big crusade against me to make sure nobody listen to be, and you're the one being overly defensive.


    I didn't send a PM to anyone, I didn't chat with anyone until you talked to me, and I didn't even bother to defend in thread. How can you come back at me with this chat log as an argument of my guilt? This is all . I would understand if I was trying to save myself, but hey, that's not the case.

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    Few points:

    1) Who began the conversation doesn't matter at all... not sure why you would suggest otherwise.
    2) You're playing this as if accusing me of having a role is some innocent action. That's bogus.

    • If I were a pro-communist power role, then outing me does us a fat lot of good, doesn't it? It's totally detrimental to the effort. The only other option is:
    • You're accusing me of evil villainy.


    I'm giving you credit for not intentionally trying to sabotage our efforts, and ASSUMING this is the second option. It is ridiculous of you to suggest otherwise.

    The rest of your post is too subjective to argue against. Might as well tell me which breakfast cereal is "the best".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy View Post
    Few points:

    1) Who began the conversation doesn't matter at all... not sure why you would suggest otherwise.
    Yes it does in this case. I didn't do anything to save myself before you contacted me 23 minutes before the deadline. It speaks volume about my willingness to save myself, or at least it destroys your "You were panicky blah blah" arguments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Romanic View Post
    Yes it does in this case. I didn't do anything to save myself before you contacted me 23 minutes before the deadline. It speaks volume about my willingness to save myself, or at least it destroys your "You were panicky blah blah" arguments.
    Your behavior during the conversation wasn't calm, cool, or collected. If your doom was so inevitable, why did you get so panicky when I offered you a way out, by simply revealing your commie quote within a few seconds' time? Did you realize that hope was not lost, and therefore put yourself into an urgent mode, to try to satisfy my conditions?

    And if so, wouldn't it have been a simple matter to open up your inbox? It doesn't take a minute and a half to do so.

    Quote Originally Posted by Romanic View Post
    Oh well, with 3/8 votes on me on this side of the river and 1 hour to go, I guess it's useless to try defending myself. I'm not a big loss, just a vanilla townie and I have nothing to share. Good luck.
    This is an attempt to get people to change their mind, but also shows that you lack any argument that could save you. Not everyone when guilty puts up a big fuss; see Yaseikhaan in PYP, all he did was mention his own death was approaching. That's not indicative of guilt or innocence.

    I know you want to believe you've destroyed my arguments, but you're just talking past them and dismissing them out of hand or straw-manning them, and that's not the same thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Romanic
    Quote Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
    His communist quote was BEYOND easy to find
    5) Right.
    Woah, almost missed this gem.

    In what way was your communist quote hard to find?

    Are you saying it wasn't in your inbox after all? Or are you alleging that I didn't find it in less than 30 seconds using the very first combination of words that popped into my head?

    Which is it, because either one is pretty awesome.
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    Attack as you want, I have the ultimate argument card in my hand. I was a loyal communist and once it is revealed, you will see how wrong you are.

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    I haven't seen you this active post-death since Daggers in the Night.

    What alignment were you in that game, btw?


    edit: This is a throwaway joke, I'm HEADING TO BED. Good night, we can brawl again in the morning.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy View Post
    I haven't seen you this active post-death since Daggers in the Night.

    What alignment were you in that game, btw?

    edit: This is a throwaway joke, I'm HEADING TO BED. Good night, we can brawl again in the morning.
    Yeah, I hope it's a joke, because yes I was mafia in Daggers, but look at my post count post-death closely and you'll see how unspectacular it was.

    I have an offer for you, if you're so convinced about my guilt: What about we write a "I'm sorry, you were right" post of 50 lines to apologize to the other, once this is done? Real money transfer on Paypal? Hmm.. or anything else that you want!? I'll swear to any bet that you propose because, pal, I was a loyal communist and I can't lose here, no matter how hard you push to prove me wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Romanic View Post
    Yeah, I hope it's a joke, because yes I was mafia in Daggers, but look at my post count post-death closely and you'll see how unspectacular it was.

    I have an offer for you, if you're so convinced about my guilt: What about we write a "I'm sorry, you were right" post of 50 lines to apologize to the other, once this is done? Real money transfer on Paypal? Hmm.. or anything else that you want!? I'll swear to any bet that you propose because, pal, I was a loyal communist and I can't lose here, no matter how hard you push to prove me wrong.
    Errr.... no, it's just a game.

    If I am wrong I will apologize though.
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    Subo, are we back in main thread? Otherwise, when will the update come?
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    The Communists woke up to find that the thunderstorm which had dispatched Joooray had since passed, and also that no-one else had been dispatched during the night. The Socialists were relieved to see this, and GeneralHankerchief once again took credit for this accomplishment.

    "And who knows, maybe all the reactionary thought has been purged from our People's Army, through the leadership of the Party as directed by myself, the Chairman and Party Secretary of the People's Extraordinary Detachment." declared the Chairman and Party Secretary proudly

    "Hold on," questioned a Maoist "Since when were you the Party Secretary of this here military force? We did not elect you to such a position!"

    "Au contraire" replied GeneralHankerchief (Despite the fact that none of his audience could speak French) "As the supreme Party authority in the region, I have the authority to create and dissolve party titles at will; thus, I have added to my responsibilities that of the Party Secretariat. With the increased power that my new office affords me, I have decided to reshuffle my Officer Corps. Comrade Seamus Fermanagh is relieved of his post as the Medical Officer, and he has been allocated the position of Special Operative. Comrade Jolt has been promoted to the role of Medical Officer! Congratulations you two! You shall be using your new powers shortly, I fear."

    For about 200 metres away, over a small hill and down a gentle slop, the Wenti Bridge crossed the Nuqi River. As the Communists had feared, it was patrolled by Kuomintang soldiers. But, thankfully, thanks to the wise leadership of PEXDET, the Reds were well prepared to take the bridge from the clutches of the international Counter-Revolutionary conspiracy. The mountain gun and the mortar which they had dragged with them all this time was about to come in useful.

    ***

    Bu Jingyi was standing on guard on Wenti Bridge. A half hearted defender of the Nationalist cause, he wasn't that much committed to the defence of the Motherland against the invading Japanese. But duty was duty, and he was obligated to defend this bridge. He would actually have much rather have been at home in Sichuan with his young family, tending to his crop, but he had had the misfortune to be conscripted into the National Revolutionary Army. There wasn't much he could do about it except wait his time out, and hopefully eventually get posted to a location where he could slip away from his superiors. He'd heard that only 3/5s of soldiers conscripted into the army actually made it through training, with the rest either dying or going AWOL in the night. Now would be a good time to do it actually. The night was dark, thanks to the new moon, and the clouds obscured the starlight. He couldn't help but think of the time when he-

    Pa-CHUNK

    What was that? Bu immediately stood up, peering into the darkness without much success. It was certainly not a natural noise, and he picked up his rifle to make sure than nothing human was skulking around in the gloom. He thought he could hear whisperings in the dark, but an annoying whistling from above was preventing him from being able to make out what was said. He better call the Colonel in charge of the guard to see if he could pick anything being said out of the infernal EEEEEEEEE-

    Ka-BOOM

    The mortar shell slammed into Bu's position with a satisfyingly humongous explosion. The fireball didn't just light up the night sky, it bathing everywhere in sight of the fortress in a cosy orange glow for several seconds, and illuminating the Communists' manic glee. The flames revealed GeneralHankerchief, who was standing on a small hillock with his arm fully outstretched, bellowing an order to the mountain gun crew.

    Earth jumped up and the trees shook as the mountain gun fired a shell straight at the Wenti Bridge gate, blowing it to smithereens. Now it was the turn of the Kuomintang to scream and cry out in panic, as the Socialists rushed forced, yelling battle cries and storming the bridge. The Nationalists all ran to the South Bank of the bridge and attempted
    to fight off the attackers, but to no avail, thanks at least in part to the demon who dropped in from the North Bank. Breathing flame, he belched napalm all over the stone bridge, catching many of the Nationalist grunts unaware, and shortly dead. The demon wielded his flamethrower with skill and self-indulgence, laughing as he did so. But he stumbled in the assault, and his torch swung to the side to engulf Comrade AVSM in liquid fire. He screamed, and attempted to flee from the all-consuming fire, but he only managed to run into the side of the bridge from where he toppled, soaring down into the depths of the Nuqi Gorge like a dying firefly.

    As the survivors from the North Bank caught the Rightists in a pincer movement, one of the Communists hung back. wideyedwanderer was a bit nervous, as he'd neer fought in a battle before. The screaming, the fire and the explosions all terrified him, and gave him pause. He waited on the North Side of the Gorge, ostensibly protecting the rear from any attempts by the Kuomintang to bring up reinforcements, although he knew as well as anyone that there was no chance of that happening. But, a movement could be seen in the gloom. It wasn't enough to be a reinforcing army, maybe one man at most. Pointing his rifle cautiously, he shuffled over to the rustling, out of sight from the bridge. The man disappeared behind a tree, and wideyedwanderer followed. Sidling around the tree, he couldn't see anything; the man had disappeared.

    "Huh. Was probably just another conscript like-"

    He was cut short by a sword bursting out of his stomach. He gasped and choked as a voice whispered in his ear

    "Just so you know, we're not cowards. We've just been biding our time."

    The mystery man then pulled his blade out of wideyedwanderer's belly, and decapitated wideyedwanderer in a one swoop.

    When the smoke and all the corpses had been cleared, the Chairman and Party Secretary stood on the wall of the bridge to make a speech

    "Welcome back comrades! Reunited, we are are at our strongest...even if we have endured a few casualties along the way. wideyedwanderer's death is of particular concern. As the killers came from the North Bank, they must both have been in the Assault Squad. However, we now know that YLC was in fact a Japanese Soldier, not even a collaborator, but a full-blooded imperialist! Lucky us!"

    The Socialists then gathered their packs and set off over the bridge further North, towards Yan'an, though dusty plains and and Gobi sandstorms.

    Alive: 16/40

    ACIN
    ATPG
    autolycus
    Captain Blackadder
    Cute Wolf
    Death is yonder
    Double A
    GeneralHankerchief
    Jolt
    Joooray
    landlubber
    Nictel
    Renata
    Seamus Fermanagh
    Sigurd
    Split

    Lynched players 10/40

    Azathoth
    Beefy187
    shlin28
    Niklas
    Pinman
    TheFlax
    YLC
    miotas
    M3YUZ
    Romanic
    Joooray


    Killed Players 11/40

    Winston Hughes
    Sasaki Kojiro
    taka
    Beskar
    Chaotix
    Psychonaut
    johnhughthom
    Secura
    CDF
    aThis
    Yaesikhaan
    wideyedwanderer


    Devoured by Rats/Consumed by Flames - 3

    Thermal Mercury
    Wishazu
    AVSM

    It is now the day phase. This phase ends in 29 hours at 22:00 GMT+1

    EDIT: Yes you're all back in the main thread
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