I say, old chap.I nearly spilt my tea readin this
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Quite. *lights pipe*. Now if you would excuse me, dear fellow, I will be out for a stroll in the park. Long live England!Rather discommodious to waste such a fine libation old bean
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With german card he probably means america's express.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-11689141German police have arrested 23 people suspected of being involved in an illegal far-right internet radio station.
About 270 officers took part in more than 20 raids across 10 German states.
Widerstands Radio (Resistance Radio) broadcasts music and ideology reflecting neo-Nazi views - something which is illegal in Germany.
Prosecutors say those held face charges of forming a criminal organisation and inciting racial hatred.
One would almost forget it with the omnipresent, 24/7 onslaught of neo-Nazi propaganda on the internets, but it still amounts to incitement to hatred in many democracies.
Wrong way to deal with the issue. A taboo attracts people and an underground organization can spiral out of control. No, let them run for office instead, let them tell people about their views, let us debate them. They'll disappear like an Irishman in a dry county. And this isn't just a theory, it happened to the neo-nazi's here, there's no reason why the same wouldn't happen everywhere else. They've grown in strength over the last couple of decades, but when they entered the 2009 election, they crumbled afterwards because they were completely rejected by everyone else.
The nazi ideologi is a weak one, it will not stand a chance in a debate. It's full of holes, contradictions and general stupidity. The only way to sway people with it is by spreading it in the underground, so why keep it there?
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Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban
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Yep, it's a toss-up between free speech and the state's responsability to provide safety and security for its people. Us "euroweenies" (with scrawny necks and a body unfit for carrying ammo boxes) aren't allowed to carry firearms so we do unfortunately depend on the state for safety and security. Plus, no-one in their right mind, not least other Germans, wants to see fervent nationalistic and xenophobic Germans again.
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There, but for the grace of God, goes John Bradford
My aim, then, was to whip the rebels, to humble their pride, to follow them to their inmost recesses, and make them fear and dread us. Fear is the beginning of wisdom.
I am tired and sick of war. Its glory is all moonshine. It is only those who have neither fired a shot nor heard the shrieks and groans of the wounded who cry aloud for blood, for vengeance, for desolation.
An enemy that wishes to die for their country is the best sort to face - you both have the same aim in mind.
Science flies you to the moon, religion flies you into buildings.
"If you can't trust the local kleptocrat whom you installed by force and prop up with billions of annual dollars, who can you trust?" Lemur
If you're not a liberal when you're 25, you have no heart. If you're not a conservative by the time you're 35, you have no brain.
The best argument against democracy is a five minute talk with the average voter. Winston Churchill
Fraud is withholding money from the government, and is already a crime.
A radio station is not itself a criminal act, nor does shutting it down make people more safe.
An enemy that wishes to die for their country is the best sort to face - you both have the same aim in mind.
Science flies you to the moon, religion flies you into buildings.
"If you can't trust the local kleptocrat whom you installed by force and prop up with billions of annual dollars, who can you trust?" Lemur
If you're not a liberal when you're 25, you have no heart. If you're not a conservative by the time you're 35, you have no brain.
The best argument against democracy is a five minute talk with the average voter. Winston Churchill
No you didn't (this is also in response to rory), but incitement to violence is obviously about nipping things in the bud. I'm not going to sit here and defend that vs absolute freedom of speech etc but it's not always registered that the state does have a responsability to keep its citizens safe, not least from each other.
At the end of the day politics is just trash compared to the Gospel.
I don't actually know about precise charges in this case, beyond reading the bbc article a couple of days ago. Are there pacifistic Neo-Nazis? Peaceful protest/marches are not something I'd immediately associate with Far right and neo-nazi movements, but I could indeed be prejudiced...
As to your different rules argument, I would strongly suspect that "Islamists" inciting violence would indeed be closed down. The UK's laws on incitement to hatred and violence were reviewed and beefed up exactly so that they could deal with Abbu Hamza among others. Ironicaly, Muslims are under particularily close surveilance in the UK so to say that the state bends over backwards -as you imply, for them is is superfluous. Lastly, these arrests and this radio station were focussed in Germany not the UK, so who you mean by "we" in the "we have different rules" I don't know...
At the end of the day politics is just trash compared to the Gospel.
I don't think it's quite as cut and dry as that, hence the UK's "incitement to hatred" thing. My understanding of neo and acme nazism is that it is anathema to pacifism, regarding it as a tool of the weak.
I'm not sure I'd call Germany's laws on this stupid, for the reasons I stated above -irrespective of their infringement of liberal free speech.
If you actually have evidence of the kind of bias you refer to then please do offer it up, otherwise this just sounds like a sweeping statement I've heard all to much from such groups as the EDL and BNP.
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