Gay Parenting - Two Couples, two kids

[Devastatin Dave]

And until the human body can combat polio on its own. I wont even consider the vacination

I'm with ya Bro and so is Ned...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKt1oarjzRY

[Devastatin Dave]

says who? My mum likes baseball, does that mean I'm not getting enough feminine influence?

Does she wear comfortable shoes and a chain on her wallet?

[Louis VI the Fat]

I'm sorry, but I simply dislike unnatural behaviour.


Homosexuality is natural and the norm in both humans and other species.

The atomic family by contrast is a modern deviancy.


Therefore, the question is why we should allow one man and one woman to raise children together intending to do so mostly on their own. It is unnatural. Whereas it ought to be self-evident that children can be adopted by their wider social circle and raised by several caring adults. Adult chimps, bonobos, maquaqes and orang-utans often are gay or bisexual, and these help raising the children of their group. This is natural.

[Rhyfelwyr]

Louis raises an excellent point, and one I asked earlier. Why can't groups of adults adopt children? Why can't children be adopted into parents in polygamous marriages? Why should two adults have to be in a sexual relationship to adopt a child?

If they love the child why does it really matter?

[PanzerJaeger]

I guess it's a decent response to some meaningless statistic which is thrown at me as it if somehow proves something. As I said, all it proves is that the sort of people that actually bother to take these polls think that.

Alright, before I abandon this thread out of sheer frustration, allow me to run down exactly what happened one more time so there is no confusion.

- You made several declarative statements about society's feelings on gay parenting without providing any backing.

- I challenged your contention, providing several public opinion polls from reputable polling organizations that directly refute your position.

- You labeled those polls 'meaningless', asserting that you, in fact, have a better reading of society's view on the issue because you feel you were proven correct in a thread on an online discussion board about the pope and/or Scottish nationalism.

[gaelic cowboy]

Adult chimps, bonobos, maquaqes and orang-utans often are gay or bisexual, and these help raising the children of their group. This is natural.

No need for such exotic examples Louis the ordinary domesticated cow regularly engages in lesbianism and young bulls can often engage in homosexual acts too

Careful may offend if one thinks that cos there domesticted animals they have petit bourgeois attitude to mating

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[Devastatin Dave]

No need for such exotic examples Louis the ordinary domesticated cow regularly engages in lesbianism and young bulls can often engage in homosexual acts too

Careful may offend if one thinks that cos there domesticted animals they have petit bourgeois attitude to mating

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Thats soooo hot....

[The Stranger]

all children should be raised by milfs... or milds... or dilfs... or dilds...

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beat you to the dildo joke XD

[The Stranger]

No need for such exotic examples Louis the ordinary domesticated cow regularly engages in lesbianism and young bulls can often engage in homosexual acts too

Careful may offend if one thinks that cos there domesticted animals they have petit bourgeois attitude to mating

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

thats an honest mistake XD no homosexual act at all. but apperently there are a lot of lesbian giraffes. maybe next time i give a party i should invite a couple and make sexy footage!

[The Stranger]

Alright, before I abandon this thread out of sheer frustration, allow me to run down exactly what happened one more time so there is no confusion.

- You made several declarative statements about society's feelings on gay parenting without providing any backing.

- I challenged your contention, providing several public opinion polls from reputable polling organizations that directly refute your position.

- You labeled those polls 'meaningless', asserting that you, in fact, have a better reading of society's view on the issue because you feel you were proven correct in a thread on an online discussion board about the pope and/or Scottish nationalism.

he does have a point about the polls though :P truly... polls are poor.

[gaelic cowboy]

thats an honest mistake XD no homosexual act at all. but apperently there are a lot of lesbian giraffes. maybe next time i give a party i should invite a couple and make sexy footage!

It happens so regular though farmers often wait till they engage in such acts before bulling cattle, and bull cavles will often commit certain oral acts if you get my meaning

[Rhyfelwyr]

Alright, before I abandon this thread out of sheer frustration, allow me to run down exactly what happened one more time so there is no confusion.

- You made several declarative statements about society's feelings on gay parenting without providing any backing.

- I challenged your contention, providing several public opinion polls from reputable polling organizations that directly refute your position.

- You labeled those polls 'meaningless', asserting that you, in fact, have a better reading of society's view on the issue because you feel you were proven correct in a thread on an online discussion board about the pope and/or Scottish nationalism.

Pretty much, yes. My point is the sociologists and politics scientists and what not that study these matters have in recent decades had a wondeful habbit of seeing what they want to see. Who would have thought social movements might just influence the people studying them? Nobody's impartial, that's the first lesson you take when learning to study sources for history, we're no different nowadays.

For example, pretty much the sum of the last few decades research into gender roles, which emphasised the impact of society creating them, as opposed to biological factors, has very quickly been discredited of late. They came at a time when women's right where big on the agenda. Whod'da thunk it?

Or like Louis pointed out with a thread on racial differences, much of the once respected studies that played them down to almost nothing is now discredibted. Could it be the studies were influenced by the civil rights issues of the time?

Equally, I don't trust some poll on attitudes to homosexuality today. For a start, they don't reflect society, because joe bloggs living off benefits isn't going to respond to such a study, the only people that will are middle-class gutmensch as Frags would say, who probably spend their time getting offended over homosexual discrimination and care enough to actually take a poll.

So it's pretty much the same as it was with the issue surrounding the Pope/Scottish nationalism. I have eyes to see what is around me and I can trust what I seen in society as a whole not what result some guy in a white jacket got from some studies where he sets the controls, frames his questions a certain way, whether consciously or unconsciously will have his own views/agenda, and his subjects for study inevitable won't be reprsentative of society as a whole.

It is exactly like when I used my common sense with the Pope/nationalism issue and ignored the consensus amongst the respected social scientists. A few years later Mr. Devine appeared on TV and said what i said all along, as the Pope drove down Edinburgh clad in tartan. How right do I have to be for so long before they catch up?

[The Stranger]

its funny that you think that the entire world is biased... but you. and louis...

[Rhyfelwyr]

its funny that you think that the entire world is biased... but you. and louis...

Well the people that care the most about these things are the ones that are going to want to study them and produce polls.

And the only people that are going to answer the polls are the people who care about them...

[Devastatin Dave]

Heheheehe, you said "polls"....

[Strike For The South]

Well the people that care the most about these things are the ones that are going to want to study them and produce polls.

And the only people that are going to answer the polls are the people who care about them...

You care about it to...as evidenced by you posting so much

Any good scientest will not let his assumptions get in the way of facts. These men go to school for years. Have more faith in them than that

Yes you can poke fun at it by raising petty examples but it doesn't changed the fact that it's around because it generally works.

Yea except when it doesn't and the kid is lost at the hands of the state.

[a completely inoffensive name]

Ok so from what I have read here, I am worried.

Are you guys saying that anal is overrated?

[Strike For The South]

Ok so from what I have read here, I am worried.

Are you guys saying that anal is overrated?

Not really worth the trouble IMO.

Something to cross off the bucket list nothing more

[Rhyfelwyr]

You care about it to...as evidenced by you posting so much

Any good scientest will not let his assumptions get in the way of facts. These men go to school for years. Have more faith in them than that

I was posting all over the place yesterday, I like to hang about on the net, doesn't mean I'm going to start taking polls for people.

[Fragony]

Louis raises an excellent point, and one I asked earlier. Why can't groups of adults adopt children? Why can't children be adopted into parents in polygamous marriages? Why should two adults have to be in a sexual relationship to adopt a child?

If they love the child why does it really matter?

Stability

[The Stranger]

Ok so from what I have read here, I am worried.

Are you guys saying that anal is overrated?

completely! inoffensive ofcourse!


on a more serious note... normal sex is better imo, but i dont know... anal is one of those things like honey or apple syrup for me... I have those days that I'm really in the mood for it, and then I try it and I'm always dissapointed. But next time I have forgotten about it because everyone tells me its so AWESOME!

[The Stranger]

srry dbblpst

[Beskar]

Why would you want to stick any body part in some ones dirty poop chute?

[rory_20_uk]

I believe that to some the answer is the same as to the reason for climbing mount Everest: because it's there.

[The Stranger]

Why would you want to stick any body part in some ones dirty poop chute?

because you imitate the ****starts

[Beskar]

I believe that to some the answer is the same as to the reason for climbing mount Everest: because it's there.

Unfortunately, I can't really see the comparison. I could if your example is crawling through a sewer pipe.

I have a disgust for the very bad smells, colour and other sensory experience of anything so dirty. Mount Everest is covered in snow, and everyone loves snow.

[The Stranger]

Unfortunately, I can't really see the comparison. I could if your example is crawling through a sewer pipe.

I have a disgust for the very bad smells, colour and other sensory experience of anything so dirty. Mount Everest is covered in snow, and everyone loves snow.

its not dirty... if its dirty u do something wrong XD

[Beskar]

its not dirty... if its dirty u do something wrong XD

It always will be dirty, that brown stuff is not chocolate you know.

[rory_20_uk]

Unfortunately, I can't really see the comparison. I could if your example is crawling through a sewer pipe.

I have a disgust for the very bad smells, colour and other sensory experience of anything so dirty. Mount Everest is covered in snow, and everyone loves snow.

More to do with the lack of a rational reason but still people do it. Some people do meth, and that's a hell of a lot more difficult to understand.

Some people like doing it, some like receiving it. Some probably like neither. It's a big world out there. I'm sure there's enough room for all persuasions.

Everest is covered with discarded detritus, so there is more in common than you give it credit for...

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

its not dirty... if its dirty u do something wrong XD

Personally, I don't fancy a urinary tract infection, and any act which requires me to wear a condom just so I don't catch a horrible disease as a matter of course isn't even on my bucket list.

Which is why fornicating with a sheep is not on there, even though I am partly Welsh.