Preview: The Lugiones

[cmacq]

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[Skullheadhq]

Nice, a Prussian faction!

[fightermedic]

omg that list of sources is longer than some previews from other mods^^

[mmiki]

Absolutely stunning preview. The sheer amount of research and the attention to detail... I'm left speechless just by looking at the 'Reference' list. Brilliant work!

[WinsingtonIII]

The office of Rikos offers the chance for the leader of the Lugiones faction to adopt the culture of host province which they occupy.

Just noticed this.... does this mean that if you have a character that has been named Rikos, you can capture let's say a Western Greek culture settlement and then have the choice to convert the culture of your faction from "Barbarian" to Western Greek?

Or am I completely off here?

[dajarvi]

Germania and Britannia are two of my favorite starting positions!

[fightermedic]

Just noticed this.... does this mean that if you have a character that has been named Rikos, you can capture let's say a Western Greek culture settlement and then have the choice to convert the culture of your faction from "Barbarian" to Western Greek?

Or am I completely off here?

i'd guess that rather means that a Rikos will be able to govern a foreign city more effective while other generals might see themselfs troubled if they try to govern such a settlement
beware this is wild speculation from my side

[cmacq]

The office of Rikos offers the chance for the leader of the Lugiones faction to adopt the culture of host province which they occupy.

Just noticed this.... does this mean that if you have a character that has been named Rikos, you can capture let's say a Western Greek culture settlement and then have the choice to convert the culture of your faction from "Barbarian" to Western Greek?

Or am I completely off here?

This refers to one of the big differences between EB and EB2. This also will set this faction apart from many others. However, I not sure if I’m at liberty to discuss this further? What I can say is, this difference will completely change the dynamics of the game for all of the European barbarian factions. I can also tell you that if all the conditions are realized and by chance a Lugiones leader is given the attribute in question, it doesn’t actually mean that this faction will mimic the western Greeks, eastern Greeks, or Romans. One may want to look more towards what happen when the late Roman period Franks or Goths took control of previous Roman or Greek territories. Again, I wish could tell you more, but it would indeed spoil a very great surprise.

What I haven’t shown here is the Lugiones faction after this shift or change. This is largely because as a major game feature it has not been revealed yet, and although there are later examples, it is of course not historic for this period. Without the release of this feature I don’t want to confuse anyone more than necessary. Yet in parting;

‘Double, double toil and trouble; fire burn, and cauldron bubble, something wicked cool, will soon this way come.'

[Khazar_Dahvos]

damnation!!!! Makes me wish that tomorrow was the day the gaza campaign comes out!!!!!!!!!!!!

[moonburn]

took me 1 entire day to read it all now can you fix the images ? i was only able to see the map of the 4 core regions and if the lugiones start with those 4 core regions and the game engine continues to move north i suspect the swebii are in for a troublesome time

one thing i did enjoyed reading was that it will be a dificult faction to muster massive armies there are probably going to be massive problems and rpg elements before a lugione noble can amass a proper army (much in the way as the romans will be limited by their consul recruiting habilities) wich should make it a very fun campaign to play for those of us who like to micromanage family members and their ascension to power

[bobbin]

The images work fine for me, if your talking about the other units not having images it's because there are none, we haven't made them yet.

[cmacq]

The Lugiones faction starts with one core area, which one will need to work hard to get control of and even harder to keep. The other three represent the basic ethnic region. But you're on the right track about the other stuff.

[HFox]

Great christmas present......my thanks to the team

[Kuningaz]

Wow, this is just AMAZING

This refers to one of the big differences between EB and EB2. This also will set this faction apart from many others. However, I not sure if I’m at liberty to discuss this further? What I can say is, this difference will completely change the dynamics of the game for all of the European barbarian factions. I can also tell you that if all the conditions are realized and by chance a Lugiones leader is given the attribute in question, it doesn’t actually mean that this faction will mimic the western Greeks, eastern Greeks, or Romans. One may want to look more towards what happen when the late Roman period Franks or Goths took control of previous Roman or Greek territories. Again, I wish could tell you more, but it would indeed spoil a very great surprise.

Are you talking about the new use of the religions system? Because I remember reading something about a 'city state religion' in the Gaza preview
So my guess is that the Lugiones FMs can convert to another 'religion', thus greatly reducing unrest in their region?
Btw, when I guessed the region/people of the elite medium spearmen unit some time ago, a team member said there wouldn't be a Lugian faction...
How very, very mean of you

[cmacq]

Are you talking about the new use of the religions system? Because I remember reading something about a 'city state religion' in the Gaza preview
So my guess is that the Lugiones FMs can convert to another 'religion', thus greatly reducing unrest in their region?
Btw, when I guessed the region/people of the elite medium spearmen unit some time ago, a team member said there wouldn't be a Lugian faction...
How very, very mean of you

No, not religion. However, I'm often very mean.

[Anakuj]

Thank you very much, cmacq!

I'm reading!

[Gaius Sempronius Gracchus]

That language map makes for some very interesting questions, which I'm sure you know a great deal more about than I do. Early Brythonnic seems to have a very strong presence in the Cimbric peninsula. As I understand it, Brythonnic and Belgae are closely related (if not the same)... was there, then, a shared culture in the Cimbric peninsula the 'Nordwest' region and the British Isles (at least the South and West)? The 'Celtic' /'German' question with regards to the Cimric migration and even the Sweboz seems to become ever more muddled - at least from what I can understand of it.

Oh, and brilliant choice of faction...and wonderful preview. The few hints of gameplay additions (over and above EB) make me want this now.

EDIT: East of the British Isles, not West...

[WinsingtonIII]

What I haven’t shown here is the Lugiones faction after this shift or change. This is largely because as a major game feature it has not been revealed yet, and although there are later examples, it is of course not historic for this period. Without the release of this feature I don’t want to confuse anyone more than necessary. Yet in parting;

‘Double, double toil and trouble; fire burn, and cauldron bubble, something wicked cool, will soon this way come.'

Hmmmm...... well, after capturing Carthage, the Vandals did utilize the large Roman fleet that had been left there against the Romans, so perhaps under certain conditions the Lugii will be able to keep the existing military infrastructure of a province and recruit some units they normally would not be able to recruit?

Or maybe culture refers to govermental and social structures, so they could keep and utilize the government building (although I don't fully remember how government works in EB2) or cultural buidlings they normally would not be able to use.

[cmacq]

That language map makes for some very interesting questions, which I'm sure you know a great deal more about than I do. Early Brythonnic seems to have a very strong presence in the Cimbric peninsula. As I understand it, Brythonnic and Belgae are closely related (if not the same)... was there, then, a shared culture in the Cimbric peninsula the 'Nordwest' region and the British Isles (at least the South and West)?

This falls a bit outside the current preview, but I can tell you it will be fully addressed.

The 'Celtic' /'German' question with regards to the Cimbric migration and even the Sweboz seems to become ever more muddled - at least from what I can understand of it.

This will be fully addressed, as well.

[cmacq]

More shields

[stratigos vasilios]

They look great! Good job eb team!

[cmacq]

Example of a Lugiones settlement

[anubis88]

Ha, i was almost sure about this one ... Great preview guys!

[cmacq]

Heres another view of a Lugiones settlement.

Second Century BC Lugiones Farmstead with a Urnfield, Sacred Grove, and Temple Complex.

[Gaius Sempronius Gracchus]

This falls a bit outside the current preview, but I can tell you it will be fully addressed.

Yes, I thought it might be a little 'rude' to intrude upon this (stunning) preview, but I had to ask... that it is to be fully addressed....the more I hear about EB2 the more I'm looking forward to it. Thanks for the references.... the amount of historical research you guys are sharing with us, by means of this mod and the previews etc., is just phenomenal. I don't think I would be alone (by any means) in saying that your work on this is mucho mucho appreciated. I raise a glass to you all (yeah, its a little early yet, but I'm not back to work till the 4th soo...)



This will be fully addressed, as well.[/QUOTE]

[cmacq]

One more.

Temple Complex

[artaxerxes]

beautiful :)

[Maeran]

With regard to cmacq's settlement images. Are they internal to EB or are they from somewhere else. Because graphically they are something new to EB.

Are the buildings definitely organized on the periphery of settlement spaces in the archaeology? With religious sites occupying a more central position in their own sites?
Or is this apparent organization simply because of how the artist lay it out?

[cmacq]

With regard to cmacq's settlement images. Are they internal to EB or are they from somewhere else. Because graphically they are something new to EB.

Are the buildings definitely organized on the periphery of settlement spaces in the archaeology? With religious sites occupying a more central position in their own sites?
Or is this apparent organization simply because of how the artist lay it out?

Not internal to EB2 yet. We hope to have some done for the game at some point. In German the pithouse habitation structures are called 'Grubenhaus.' As described in the text their settlements were small with the spacing between loci much greater. I placed them closer to show the general relationship between the different loci types. Nonetheless, of the few religious sites identified thus far they may be placed between several framsteads/residential loci.